Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Sarda'z
Hi there, gentlemen!
I'm an oldtime brazilian player and legacy aficionado. I'm new in the forum but I've already read all Shardless' and Nic Fit's Threads and have been digesting every information shared.
I must say this is the best thread I follow in years, considering amount and quality of discussions as well as the overall comradeship! Thank you all and congrats! I'll humbly try to contribute from now on...
Legacy is a very difficult format for starters here in Brazil due to cards availability and price (f*** brazilian currency), so most people who play the format stick to a single deck and adapt it to our meta which is close to US's and very diversified. IRL I'm a BUG player (delver, Shardless, control), while playing Nic Fit exclusively online (XMage). I've already tested straight BG, Junk, BUG and BUG Walkers lists and I agree with most of you guys that the Junk list is the most tuned list so far (although my all time favorite would be Walkers - and I'm currently working on a very special one).
As I'll not have the money to build Junk IRL for a while, I'm pointing it to the online meta. I'm not facing that much Eldrazi as expected, but I kind of attract combo decks (storm, S&T, Elvs mainly). This is my current build and I'd appreciate any tips.
23 Lands:
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
1 Taiga
2 Swamp
2 Forest
2 Plains
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
1 Marsh Flats
15 Creatures:
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
4 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
23 Other Spells:
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Path to Exile
1 (Maelstrom Pulse / Vindicate / Toxic Deluge)
2 (Diabolic Intent / Painful Truths)
15 Sideboard:
2 Slaughter Games
3 Surgical Extraction
4 Thoughtseize
1 Gaddok Teeg
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Pithing Needle
2 (Maelstrom Pulse / Vindicate / Toxic Deluge)
1 (Baneslayer Angel / Elspeth / Garruk)
Welcome to the thread and the Source. Glad to have more NicFitter's.
List looks pretty streamlined. Not much to add other then 2 small things. Sooner i would play Liliana of the Veil in the board then i would play Fleshbag Marauder. The -2 effect of Liliana is mostly better. Teabagging your own Veteran Explorer might not come up often enough, sacrificing it for itself makes even Diabolic Edict a better card (instant). But Liliana sticks arround, put's pressure on your opponents hand. And if it catches removal then at least it was a 2 for 1 (card advantage).
The other thing is 3 Forests, 7 Basics. This will compliment recurring Veteran Explorer most and makes it more easy to cast and flip Nissa in the same turn while you can support your entire deck with all basics (screw you Wasteland/Loam/Blood Moon)..
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Ricardio
Didn't....miss...Rhino? BLASPHEMY!
Mwuahaha!
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Two brief thoughts:
-) We're going back to Innistrad very soon. Considering that we got a new (albeit inferior) Linvala in Oath, we should keep an eye out for Sigarda 2.0. If any set could provide an upgrade or replacement to that slot, it's this set upcoming (or set two in the block, but you know what I mean). This is our best chance to get a 6-drop that we can all agree on, I think.
-) There's a very simple answer to this Eldrazi problem, and it's a very old one. This Eldrazi deck has literally no way of interacting with Academy Rector, and they HAVE to swing through on the ground. If -- and it's a big if -- this Eldrazi deck proves to be as worrisome in legacy as it has been in modern, we should revisit the old Rector tech, because they straight up cannot beat it.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Arianrhod
Two brief thoughts:
-) We're going back to Innistrad very soon. Considering that we got a new (albeit inferior) Linvala in Oath, we should keep an eye out for Sigarda 2.0. If any set could provide an upgrade or replacement to that slot, it's this set upcoming (or set two in the block, but you know what I mean). This is our best chance to get a 6-drop that we can all agree on, I think.
-) There's a very simple answer to this Eldrazi problem, and it's a very old one. This Eldrazi deck has literally no way of interacting with Academy Rector, and they HAVE to swing through on the ground. If -- and it's a big if -- this Eldrazi deck proves to be as worrisome in legacy as it has been in modern, we should revisit the old Rector tech, because they straight up cannot beat it.
Oh the good ol amazing granny blowjobs..I cannot for the life of me forget that one liner.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Arianrhod
Two brief thoughts:
-) We're going back to Innistrad very soon. Considering that we got a new (albeit inferior) Linvala in Oath, we should keep an eye out for Sigarda 2.0. If any set could provide an upgrade or replacement to that slot, it's this set upcoming (or set two in the block, but you know what I mean). This is our best chance to get a 6-drop that we can all agree on, I think.
-) There's a very simple answer to this Eldrazi problem, and it's a very old one. This Eldrazi deck has literally no way of interacting with Academy Rector, and they HAVE to swing through on the ground. If -- and it's a big if -- this Eldrazi deck proves to be as worrisome in legacy as it has been in modern, we should revisit the old Rector tech, because they straight up cannot beat it.
Let's hope so...
On the topic of Eldrazi + Moat/Humility. I would love that.
Rector + Diabolic Intent = Omniscience + Emrakul.
Or;
Doubling Season token confetti; with stuff as Humility, Collective Blessing (gotta love time stamps), Lingering Souls and combat planeswalker.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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rubblekill
Oh the good ol amazing granny blowjobs..I cannot for the life of me forget that one liner.
I could be down with that painful quandary.
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Originally Posted by
Bobmans
Let's hope so...
On the topic of Eldrazi + Moat/Humility. I would love that.
Rector + Diabolic Intent = Omniscience + Emrakul.
Or;
Doubling Season token confetti; with stuff as Humility, Collective Blessing (gotta love time stamps), Lingering Souls and combat planeswalker.
Bobman is losing his mind in Christmas land value. Somebody get this man an adult. hes going insane with value!
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Ricardio
Bobman is losing his mind in Christmas land value. Somebody get this man an adult. hes going insane with value!
Actually i have been there. On both concept's. And it performed pretty good actually.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Arianrhod
There's a very simple answer to this Eldrazi problem, and it's a very old one. This Eldrazi deck has literally no way of interacting with
Academy Rector, and they HAVE to swing through on the ground. If -- and it's a big if -- this Eldrazi deck proves to be as worrisome in legacy as it has been in modern, we should revisit the old Rector tech, because they straight up cannot beat it.
I'm not trying to poo-poo on your idea, but the Eldrazi decks do play Warping Wail. I'm not saying "DOESN'T WORK; DIES TO REMOVAL," I'm just saying they definitely have an out to a Rector. Naturally, you can void their removal by having a sac outlet ready.
Speaking as an Eldrazi player, we play 4 Wails main in my team's build and it basically always stays in. That card is amazing. I won a game off the back of countering a Hymn last night. It's also very good in this matchup, as Veteran Explorer is a pain and Deathrite is Deathrite. There also tend to be good sorcery targets in the fair matches.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Delvis
I'm not trying to poo-poo on your idea, but the Eldrazi decks do play
Warping Wail. I'm not saying "DOESN'T WORK; DIES TO REMOVAL," I'm just saying they definitely have an out to a Rector. Naturally, you can void their removal by having a sac outlet ready.
Speaking as an Eldrazi player, we play 4 Wails main in my team's build and it basically always stays in. That card is amazing. I won a game off the back of countering a Hymn last night. It's also very good in this matchup, as Veteran Explorer is a pain and Deathrite is Deathrite. There also tend to be good sorcery targets in the fair matches.
Dodging WW is just as much as dodging Swords to Plowshares for that matter.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Delvis
I'm not trying to poo-poo on your idea, but the Eldrazi decks do play
Warping Wail. I'm not saying "DOESN'T WORK; DIES TO REMOVAL," I'm just saying they definitely have an out to a Rector. Naturally, you can void their removal by having a sac outlet ready.
Speaking as an Eldrazi player, we play 4 Wails main in my team's build and it basically always stays in. That card is amazing. I won a game off the back of countering a Hymn last night. It's also very good in this matchup, as Veteran Explorer is a pain and Deathrite is Deathrite. There also tend to be good sorcery targets in the fair matches.
We lured him to the thread. now we kill him for there to be one less eldrazi player. GET HIM!
Yes, very valid point so drop all sorcery and cut the 1 thingys. NOW, WE CANT LOSE. /sarcasm
Yes, rector may be too dream world. We must find a different approach. I also suggest we start talking in an alternative language so the eldrazi people cant infiltrate our tier 1 deck. I vote arm farting.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Delvis
I'm not trying to poo-poo on your idea, but the Eldrazi decks do play
Warping Wail. I'm not saying "DOESN'T WORK; DIES TO REMOVAL," I'm just saying they definitely have an out to a Rector. Naturally, you can void their removal by having a sac outlet ready.
Speaking as an Eldrazi player, we play 4 Wails main in my team's build and it basically always stays in. That card is amazing. I won a game off the back of countering a Hymn last night. It's also very good in this matchup, as Veteran Explorer is a pain and Deathrite is Deathrite. There also tend to be good sorcery targets in the fair matches.
So, the problem with Eldrazi is that nobody has crystalized a list yet. Your team's list plays 4 Wails main? Cool. I've seen a lot of lists that don't play any, or that play 2 copies. I suppose a more accurate way of phrasing my original assertion is that some Eldrazi pilots (and/or specific hands, because it's a MUD variant and plays no card advantage or filtering) will not have any means of favorably interacting with Rector.
Also, as you noted, it's not like you don't have an overabundance of targets for Wail in the matchup. As a deck, Nic Fit is used to the idea that Swords to Plowshares exists, is annoying, and has to be overloaded. If we present enough things that are MUST SWORDS, eventually the blue decks run out of them. The same principle applies here.
I'm merely suggesting it as a possible avenue that's worth considering. We played it in the past, we know it works, and we know it would be effective in the matchup. At this point, I remain unconvinced that the Eldrazi deck is even good enough to hold a significant market share in the legacy metagame. It'll be around, I'm sure, but I'm skeptical that we need to worry about it as being a popular, tier 1 deck.
As I've said before about other decks: we are the boogeymen. We are the thing that goes bump in the night. We do NOT sideboard or aggressively change our deck for other boogeymen. If Eldrazi proves itself popular enough to have to worry about playing it twice an event, then we can talk.
edit: I suppose I should clarify that I don't play on modo, and I'm referring only to paper here. I know Eldrazi is supposedly taking up a large % on modo, but I think that's more of a reaction to people who were able to buy cards to play the deck in all formats. I know that if I were to get into modo, that would be a good strategy. I certainly do not want to re-buy my collection, and if I had the ability to buy 1 deck and play it in 4 formats with minor changes, that would be pretty attractive.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Ricardio
We lured him to the thread. now we kill him for there to be one less eldrazi player. GET HIM!
Yes, very valid point so drop all sorcery and cut the 1 thingys. NOW, WE CANT LOSE. /sarcasm
Yes, rector may be too dream world. We must find a different approach. I also suggest we start talking in an alternative language so the eldrazi people cant infiltrate our tier 1 deck. I vote arm farting.
Hehe,
Everything to make their life miserable. The folowing about Eldrazi players missing their TKS LTB trigger.
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cdr
Make it clear that you're past the point where the trigger could resolve by doing something that could only be done if the trigger didn't exist (playing something, verbally moving to next phase/step) and then call a judge when your opponent doesn't say anything. Your opponent will get a warning every time and you'll get the draw trigger resolved immediately.
http://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/ipg2-1/
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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4ts 3surgical? That's some pretty intensive hate right there. Have you ever considered a 2/2 split between Ts and duress? Because that's what I'd do, 4ts is a lot of life loss
I've already considered 3 TS / 1 Duress split. Thing is when I board in discard I really want it in my initial hand, so I can potencially go T1: TS, T2: Therapy #1 (sure hit), Vet, sac, Therapy #2 (hit again) T3: Rhino time!
Having Duress instead against S&T isn't the same thing...
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Welcome to the thread and the Source. Glad to have more NicFitter's.
List looks pretty streamlined. Not much to add other then 2 small things. Sooner i would play Liliana of the Veil in the board then i would play Fleshbag Marauder. The -2 effect of Liliana is mostly better. Teabagging your own Veteran Explorer might not come up often enough, sacrificing it for itself makes even Diabolic Edict a better card (instant). But Liliana sticks arround, put's pressure on your opponents hand. And if it catches removal then at least it was a 2 for 1 (card advantage).
The other thing is 3 Forests, 7 Basics. This will compliment recurring Veteran Explorer most and makes it more easy to cast and flip Nissa in the same turn while you can support your entire deck with all basics (screw you Wasteland/Loam/Blood Moon)..
Thank you!
1 - Marauder over Lili is so that it can ETB from S&T or be exhumed against reanimator. I'd take lili to my bed though ;)
2 - I used to play 8 fetches with 8 basics, but then switched to 9 fetches, 6 basics and the solo taiga for SG. I agree with the Nissa point, so maybe I'm cutting the 9th fetch or the 2nd bayou for the 3rd basic forest.
On another topic: I was running a single Titania over the 4th Rhino and she really impressed me. Anyone else?
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Sarda'z
I've already considered 3 TS / 1 Duress split. Thing is when I board in discard I really want it in my initial hand, so I can potencially go T1: TS, T2: Therapy #1 (sure hit), Vet, sac, Therapy #2 (hit again) T3: Rhino time!
Having Duress instead against S&T isn't the same thing...
Thank you!
1 - Marauder over Lili is so that it can ETB from S&T or be exhumed against reanimator. I'd take lili to my bed though ;)
2 - I used to play 8 fetches with 8 basics, but then switched to 9 fetches, 6 basics and the solo taiga for SG. I agree with the Nissa point, so maybe I'm cutting the 9th fetch or the 2nd bayou for the 3rd basic forest.
On another topic: I was running a single Titania over the 4th Rhino and she really impressed me. Anyone else?
yeah, I should swap 3 duress in the board for seize, been lazy to put more cred on mtgo(I own like 12 seize irl for some reason)
Marauder seems to be super meta dependant imho. like maybe there is an abundance of snt in your meta but otherwise its a liability bc junk just plays better removal.
I run 6 fetches, 7 basics. 21 lands. blah blah save the cheerleader blah.
I cut nissa, she was cute and sometimes good but she dies to EVERYTHING. Holy vet, she is like that slut that gets more use than the sidewalk in front of walmart.
E-wit is the senpai we need, not deserve, eyeing a cheaper greenwarden one day.
EDIT: 300TH POST! MADNESS?? THIS...IS...SKILLERHINO!
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Ricardio
Marauder seems to be super meta dependant imho. like maybe there is an abundance of snt in your meta but otherwise its a liability bc junk just plays better removal.
I run 6 fetches, 7 basics. 21 lands. blah blah save the cheerleader blah.
I cut nissa, she was cute and sometimes good but she dies to EVERYTHING.
His point with Fleshbag is solid. Junk has better removal but Marauder does solve Emrakul or Inkwel Leviathan.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Bobmans
His point with Fleshbag is solid. Junk has better removal but Marauder does solve Emrakul or Inkwel Leviathan.
I am not saying he is wrong, I just know that in the correct meta, he is probably insane but so is the case with other niche cards.
rhinos outrace inkwell. therefore Rhino > leviathan
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Ricardio
I cut nissa, she was cute and sometimes good but she dies to EVERYTHING. Holy vet, she is like that slut that gets more use than the sidewalk in front of walmart.
Someone call an ambulance because I'm dying right now
E: to not go offtopic, I have found that the key part in playing nissa is to know when to play her, usually when you are sure to flip her in the very late game. Against non GBx decks she has been pretty decent, I don't know if she's here to stay.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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rubblekill
Someone call an ambulance because I'm dying right now
E: to not go offtopic, I have found that the key part in playing nissa is to know when to play her, usually when you are sure to flip her in the very late game. Against non GBx decks she has been pretty decent, I don't know if she's here to stay.
Saw you are in Italy, I called Toad and he said Mario is en route in his kart.
Nissa just wasn't good enough in my experiences. I re-configured and I hope to test tonight. Might devolve into rum/coke and LoL. Either way, I win. Work for another 2 hours. *sad face*
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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rubblekill
...E: to not go offtopic, I have found that the key part in playing nissa is to know when to play her, usually when you are sure to flip her in the very late game. Against non GBx decks she has been pretty decent, I don't know if she's here to stay.
This is actually what convinced me to buy her at my last event. She actually is mad decent most of the time. There is a way to judge her early-game value and sometimes she's just a Wood Elf/Sakura. Other times (especially late game), she's ramp + auto planeswalker, which is really strong.
I LOL'ed at Bobmans. Beyond Christmasland.
Academy is a route I totally forgot. Same for Humility.
@Sigarda 2: If she's even in the set/block, she's gonna suck. I'd love to be wrong. IMO the track record for "solid magic females who get a second version" leads to a decrease in quality. It would be interesting if we get a BGx equivalent to Sigarda (either color/alliance shifted or her long lost sister).
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
League
2-1 reanimator
DRS t2 g2 and g3
2-1 burn
i won the roll and won g1/g3
2-1 burn (scggreen)
same as before but g1 i tripled rhinod him haha
0-2 RW Painter
G1 he had combo and i couldnt interact
g2 i surgicaled servant. he landed jaya and bridge and i drew 5 lands in a row
0-2 G Post
This felt entirely unwinnable.
3-2
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Ricardio
League
2-1 reanimator
DRS t2 g2 and g3
2-1 burn
i won the roll and won g1/g3
2-1 burn (scggreen)
same as before but g1 i tripled rhinod him haha
0-2 RW Painter
G1 he had combo and i couldnt interact
g2 i surgicaled servant. he landed jaya and bridge and i drew 5 lands in a row
0-2 G Post
This felt entirely unwinnable.
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Reanimate is not that bad a match-up. Probably one of the better combo MU's. DRS shines here indeed.
About RW Painter; i don't have the feeling that it is a bad match-up. Rather (comparable to Elves) it is more to how you deploy removal and have something of a clock.
12Post in any form with Emrakul is probably auto scoop. There is near to nothing we can do to slow there deployment in their manabase and prevent Emrakul from being hardcast.
I'll post a Junk RectorBlessing list later. If you own the cards and looking for something fun and not too serious, this is sweet.
