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Originally Posted by Asthereal
I am also playing a PMav deck. I am just curious why you did not include Life from the Loam (which is a superstar on my deck). maybe you can cut 1 MoR to make room for that (i think). I also want to know fared against Show and Tell and BUG decks.
BUG Tempo and Midrange seem like pretty fine matchups.
No auto-win, but we have a decent game with the Punishing Fire and the Knights.
I especially like Elspeth against the slower BUG lists.
Against tempo lists Scryb Ranger can give you lots of value.
Show and Tell is a very tough matchup. We do have Knight -> Karakas main.
Side gives us REB and Oblivion Ring, but we'll still lose most games.
Note that Maverick, especially the Punishing version, is made to beat fair decks. :wink:
I'm not very fond of Life from the Loam in a deck that does not include one of these:
- Brainstorm (to shuffle away excess lands)
- Jace (same)
- 4x Wasteland + either Canopy or Cycle Lands
Loam can give us some advantage, but it doesn't affect the board state, and its pretty slow.
So that's why it's not in there. :smile:
Hey Guys,
im preparing for the Legacy GP next weekend in Strassbourg...I will play the straight GW build, and here´s my current list.
Please make room for advice.
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4xNoble Hierarch
4xKnight of the Reliquary
4xSwords to Plowshares
3xMother of Runes
1xStoneforge Mystic
1xGaddock Teeg
1xSigarda, Host of Herons
1xSylvan Safekeeper
2xScavenging Ooze
2xUmezawas Jitte
4xThalia, Guardian of Thraben
1xEternal Witness
2xSylvan Library
2xQasali Pridemage
1x Scryb Ranger
2 x Forest
1x Plains
1x Dryad Arbor
4x Wasteland
1xMaze of ith
4xWindswept Heath
4xSavanne
1xHorizon Canopy
2xCavern of Souls
2xMisty Rainforest
1xKarakas
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Sideboard:
2x Oblivion Ring
3x Surgical Extraction
1x Garruk, Reentless
1x Elspeth, Knight Errant
1x Gaddock Teeg
3x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Path to Exile
2x Linvala, keeper of silence
Explanations: The 1of Sigarda is just great against BGx Decks like Jund or BUG, Junk because she shuts off Lilli and is resistent against all pointremovel, Witness and the 2nd Library is great against a lot of Discard Decks. The Splitt between Mother and Safekeeper is good too because you can tutor the keeper and it doesn´t die to hate like enigeered plaque´s...
The Linvala´s in the SB are against the mirror (i know Maverick is not DTB anymore but 9 Rounds are long^^), Elfball and sometimes you can side in it even against Show and Tell (Griselbrand-LInvala)... The rest is just against combo and control MU´s.
I thought of Meddling Mage and Detention Sphere´s in the SB (little U Splash, 1off Tropical Main), don´t know...
Ok, let me bring a few points of critique.
1) Eternal Witness: First of all this isn't NicFit where we can get some recurring Engine going, nor do we have Deeds or anything similar, making our Witness a little weaker. It can get countered stuff back, or a Swords to Plowshares from time to time, but I don't think that in a format, where Deathrite Shaman, Rest in Peace and Swords to Plowshares are widely used Witness is any good, unless it enables broken stuff, which it does not.
2) When I looked at your list and saw the lone Mystic I was like "Oh, I'm sure he is running some Sword or the Skull in the Side, or simply a Jitte/Sword-split" - which you do not. Based on my experience Stoneforge Mystic (especially with only one target) is no good in Maverick. We simply don't have the time/mana to waste 6 Mana on a Jitte, instead of 4, just for the bonus of it being uncounterable. I'd just play more Jittes if you feel so, or play a completly different card here. (or maybe run a SoXaY in the side?)
3) So if we cut these slots we have 2 free slots. What to play in them? Well I'd probably play 1 Mother of Runes and 1 Scavening Ooze in there. Mother of Runes OtP is like superhard to handle for any Shamandeck, and Ooze is just nice too, countering any Shamanactivation for a mere G. In addition to this the Ooze acts as additional MB GY-hate and good creatures vs any Tempodeck.
I hope my thoughts could help you a little.
Greetings
FYI, Safekeeper is a Human Wizard, Mom is a Human Cleric. Both of them will die to the same EPlague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manipulato
The reason you want Safekeeper are that he's tutorable and he can shroud any number of creatures for free, while Mom can only do it once a turn cycle. It also has utility against burn decks so you'll never die to Price of Progress.
I agree, cut SFM add 1 more mother of runes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Einherjer
Also have you thought about elspeth maindeck? She's insane
Yep, true, the 3rd Ooze could aswell be an Elspeth, shoring up the UWx and BGx MU even a little more, makes sense :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsey
Greetings
I've seen some lists run a single copy of Fauna Shaman, which will allow you to slowly convert your Green Sun's Zenith for a Jitte. I think that's a valid reason to include a lone Mystic, although the metagame has shifted to the point where you cannot really count on GSZ -> Fauna Shaman -> SFM -> Jitte to not get hit by counter/removal/discard in any matchup where you'd want Jitte.Quote:
Originally Posted by Einherjer
Has the Safekeeper a new errata? Because on the card he is just an wizard!Quote:
Originally Posted by TiltingKitty
I think 3 Mother´s and the 1off Safekeeper are enough (no one played more than 4 Protectionguys ever...). The 1off SFM is just to increase the possibility to draw a Jitte, because it´s just very important against Esperblade, Jund or any other Midrange/Aggro Deck. I played that version with the 1off SFM a while now and it´s absolutley ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsey
But your right the Elspeth main is not bad but i prefer the Garruk for MD at the moment.
What do you guys think about Wilt-Leaf-Liege? He´s absolutly resistent against Bolts, Decays, Discard and neutralice the Plagues because of the +1/+1 ability. I thought of a 2off in the side maybe instead of Linvala
http://gatherer.wizards.com has the up to date errata of every card in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manipulato
A while back (I think Mirrodin), a ton of cards were changed to have a "species" creature type if they didn't have one before. "Human" was not a widely used creature type back then, which resulted in a lot of creatures (including Mother of Runes and Sylvan Safekeeper) suddenly becoming Humans if they weren't obviously some other fantasy species.
As another example of how the wording printed on the card is not always correct, look at the difference between a 5th edition Sylvan Library and the official wording.
Regarding the actual decklist, I might play a Harmonic Sliver over an Oblivion Ring in the sideboard, just because you can GSZ for it.
Great Thanks! Good to know because of Cavern^^Quote:
Originally Posted by TiltingKitty
Harmonic Sliver is not bad but i play the O-RIngs because of Emrakul...moreover i have pridemage for that szenario instead of the sliver...
I've cut the Fauna Shaman for this exact reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordofthepit
The process of getting what you need is often just too slow, and gets interrupted somewhere along the way.
I would like to ask for your help with Engineered Plague, it really wipes my board since most of our creatures are humans. Here is the most frequent scenario that I have against BUG.
Turn 1: Fetch then casts Deathrite Shaman.
Turn 2: Play land, taps Deathrite for mana, then casts Engineered Plague.
After that, its really hard for me to get back on the game.
I hear Qasali Pridemage is good.
So I wound up playing Maverick again this week and wound up 2-2, barely squeeze into top 8, and go 2-0-1 for the split in the finals.
I'll try updating with a bit more of an effective tourney report in the morning when I'm a bit more alert but here's how it kinda went:
Round 1 - UB Control Homebrew 0-0-0
This match had me trying to figure him out a bit. When I saw the Watery Graves and the like come down I was preparing for Reanimator, but when I started seeing the Lim-Dul's Vaults and Innocent Bloods I figured this wasn't the case. Within the first couple of turns I dropped down Gaddock Teeg, mostly because he was one of the only cards in my hand I could play at the moment, and it just happened to pretty much shut him down entirely so long as I kept my board state up and won. Game 2 I pretty quickly found out why Teeg shut him down so bad: He was playing Leyline/Helm with a control package to support it all the way through. It killed me quick this game and we moved to round three. I start with a Noble Hierarch which he promptly Forces. The following turn I drop Teeg and while he has the Force he's not at all able to play it because he lacks another blue card. When I Surgical Extraction his Mishra's Factory (which may be a problem getting damage through otherwise) he also reveals Helm AND Leyline and also had the Doom Blade on top that I made him shuffle away. The rest of the game was tough because I was just barely able to keep my board up enough that his sac removal couldn't hit Teeg and make me lose. 2-1
Round 2 - UB Reanimator 1-0-0
This matchup was good since I was playing against my best friend who I'm always playtesting against so we both knew the ins and outs of each other's decks and were pretty solidly matched as a result. Game one I had the constant active Deathrites to get around his reanimations. Game two I wasn't so lucky and he beat me out with Griselbrand before I had the opportunity to do anything. I tried to Surgical it but he was able to counter it. The game three was very tricky. I got the active Deathrite very early on and when he Entombed Griselbrand I was able to get off a Surgical and blow all of them away but before we could go anywhere from there, he cast Pithing Needle calling Deathrite Shaman. I got the Qasali Pridemage but he had a second Needle and then was able to reanimate Elesh Norn, wiping my board, to which I was unable to come back from. 1-2
Round 3 - Shardless BUG 1-1-0
Frankly this matchup is a bit of a blur right now. He was basically in short able to drop dudes faster than I was and which were bigger than mine so he was able to take me down very fast in the game one and two. Back to back Ancestral Visions hurt pretty bad at the end of the second game, though, for sure. 0-2
Round 4 - UWr Delver 1-2-0
This matchup was fun. Game one he got ridiculously mana flooded and I was able to push past his guys after awhile and kill him. Game two was where it got really interesting, though. He sided in a LOT more equipments, having 3 Swords (Fire and Ice, Feast and Famine, and Body and Mind) in addition to Jitte and Batterskull. Very early on I dropped Tower of the Magistrate which came in from my board. He didn't realize that this made all the equipments fall off if I gave his guy pro artifacts with it so he a little confused when he tried attacking and I made them all fall off. He was able to get an early couple of Swords and Jitte, though, which made it only a matter of time before this went bad. I got my Maze of Ith, thankfully and then, of all things, Pernicious Deed, which I promply dropped and blew for three. From there, both of us got mana flooded and I was able to get the bigger guys out faster with Knight of the Reliquary and my Tower/Maze package and beat him right at time got called but everyone around us was really enjoying watching the match. Definitely the highlight of the night. 2-0
So it was four rounds and cut to top 8. With a 2-2 record, I made 9th place. Buuut, as they were getting set up to play, they realized one of the people who made the top 8 just left which knocked him out of the top and allowed me to squeeze into top 8 and play for bigger prizes.
Round 5 - RUG Delver 2-2-0
An obviously decent matchup, I got the play and he mulled to four. This pretty much led to him not being able to do a thing as I continuously dropped dudes and kept attacking. Stoneforge got Batterskull, I got an attack or two in and we just very quickly moved to game two. This game found me with a Cavern of Souls calling Human, effectively not allowing him to stop the multiple Mother of Runes, the Thalia, the Hierarch, and the Knight of the Reliquaries I was dropping. The only creature he was able to get the entire game was a Tarmogoyf which I promptly Swords'd. 2-0
Round 6 - MUD 3-2-0
This was against another of my friends. He very quickly tried getting a Crucible/Wasteland lock going but I Qasali Pridemaged the Crucible before he could get it going. From there I was able to get some decent sized creatures and also keep his mana shut down with my own Wastelands. Once Batterskull hit with multiple exalted triggers on board, it was pretty much over and we went to game 2. This game went very much in a similar direction but I was able to instead get multiple Knight of the Reliquaries and take him down to 8 with a few unblocked attacks and then swing in for an even 8 with a Knight of the Reliquary and a Tower of the Magistrate to get her through. Since I'm kinda glossing over these quick he can feel more than happy to add to this. 2-0
So I wound up in the finals as a result and we agreed to split since the difference was so minute. I was happy for this too since the alternative was play Combo Elves which I historically have had a pretty lousy MU against. So I wound up 4-2 with $20 store credit and a Breeding Pool from my free Gatecrash pack tonight and it was pretty great.
Also, as a last little thing, I don't know how many of you frequent Reddit at all, but I got this new mat in last week after I found the image online and realized I must have it since Maverick is my main deck. Figure you guys might enjoy it: http://i.imgur.com/qVfXzm5.jpg
it is good but is there any other way for a punishing mav player to avoid the wipe? it sweeps noble and mom, in which we lose tempo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
Hey Guys,
How would you build the SB against the expected field for GP Strassbourg leaned back on Carsten cotters article? My current MD list is a page ago...
Do you think there is space for Armageddon, linvala, ensnaring bridge or Wild-leaf liege?
Does the spoiled Voice of Resurgence do anything substantial in this deck? It seems like a huge card.
From what I can see, the only decks it affects are those that 1) care about large vanilla dorks and 2) don't have access to Swords to Plowshares. It's probably a must-counter threat against RUG, since they need a Bolt ASAP or all their counterspells give you free advantage, but I don't see it being worth a slot against anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hencules