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Originally Posted by Zeph
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Sure thing! Here's my list atm:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackPurple
4 Scrublands
1 Bayou
3 Swamps
1 Plains
1 Fetid Heath
4 Marsh Flats
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Arid Mesa
4 Wasteland
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Hero of Bladehold
3 Thoughtseize
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Hymn to Tourach
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Vindicate
3 Lingering Souls
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
My Personal View on Leyline of Sanctity. IMHO, it's a great sideboard card if you are a combo deck....less so for us. Unless your meta is full of Burn and Belcher I wouldn't use Leyline of Sanctity.
Leyline is great for combo decks to help protect from the first/second turn Thoughtseize and then going off. We don't have that luxury. Secondly, you need at least 3 Leylines in the board....and that means more damage from Bob. Taking 4 for Hero or Elspeth is fine because it could win you the game.....taking 4 to help prolong the game with Leyline....I would say it's not worth it.
I totally agree with you. I was just writing the same response as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilkin
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Originally Posted by Zeph
Nice list.
I'm not a huge fan of Tidehollow Sculler without Vial though, but why not. Does that work well?
When I ran the list this summer, I was playing Tidehollow without the vials.
A T1 Sculler when your hand lacks hand distruption to go T2 Stoneforge/Liliana is pretty bonkers!
How do you T1 Sculler without Mox?
I was running 4 Moxen main.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valech
I should have mentionned that!
Edit : When I say The List, I ment B/W Dead Ale Guy.
My meta has enough combo that I need to be ready for it, but I've been playing Sculler for months now with no complaints. At his worst, you get perfect info and a 2/2. At best, he's Castigate with a 2/2 attached. Occasionally just him being a lightning rod for removal can allow Misty or Bob to run away with the game. And all of my testing is without Vial. Don't think I've gone worse than 2-2 without giving someone the win.
That, sir, is a statement I totally get behind!Quote:
Originally Posted by evilGod
I have played Tidehollow Sculler for some time, too. He was awesome, especially in the conjunction with cabal therapy, because he gives us information.
But as of lately, i noticed, that he is a problem against the fair decks, because discard effects are not that good against such types of decks (Maverick, Jund, Junk, Goblins...) Also, he makes opposing Tarmogoyfs (and our own, if we play some) alot bigger - being an artifact. I replaced him with Phyrexian Revoker. Revoker suffers similiar problems in terms of blocking and being an artifact, but in testing he offered enormous flexibility. Against combo, there is always something you wanna name (LED, Lotus Petal, Griselbrand or even Sneak Attack). You can drop him with Show and Tell and then name your card, before your opponents gets the chance to activate Grisel or Sneak in response (because its not a triggered ability and doesn't use the stack).
And as a bonus: He shuts off Gempalm Incinerators and Vials against Goblins AND is a colorless creature and can block any creatures despite protection.
Regarding the Sideboard:
2x Ethersworn Canonist
3x Rest in Peace
1x Humility
2x Surgical Extraction
2x Enlightened Tutor
1x Zealous Persecution
2x Cabal Therapy
2x Perish
thats what i'm playing. I have to mention, i run 2x Oblivion Ring main and 4x Discard. I think my Sideboard is well suited for combo-opponents and i never felt like being inferior to them in tournaments. I'm playing 3x RIP because i wanted to have a way to beat Jund postboard. Hard. Besides, RIP is also good against Storm and Dredge (common in my meta).
You realize that Jund lists us as one of the worst matchups for them, right? And personally, across several different configurations over the past 2 years, I have lost 1 match to TRIBAL. And it wasn't even Goblins, it was Elves.
The combo decks I play against tend to be storm or Omni/Halls. Revoker does nothing to the second, but Sculler does work against both, so I've stuck with him. Playing in an event tonight, if I learn anything I'll share tomorrow.
I've been trying to convince folks over at the Rock thread of this for ages...I at one time played all 4 copies of Sculler, in Junk of all decks. I think I play Junk like Deadguy Ale really, I just splash green for Decay, Goyfs, and a pair of Knights. I wish I could play 3 maindeck Scullers, but I have found that the only flexible slot is Lingering Souls (for junk anyways) and right now, playing 3 Souls seems right with only 2 Scullers.Quote:
Originally Posted by evilGod
I'll be lurking around this thread, but I may stick to my 'Deadguy Junk' list rather than going all-in on Deadguy Ale.
Everyone's already posted the reasons why I'm playing sculler in my main! He's such a good card against combo and at worst he's a bear that can hold equipment. And the fact that it draws removal means less to worry about on all your other creatures.
If I had the cards, I'd definitely try to splash green more heavily and play goyfs and abrupt decay main. I would definitely want to try kotr as well but I think the 3-drop slot is already tight enough as it is (lili, LS, vindicate) and it's going to get too clunky. I've never tried this so I could be completely wrong and it works out great in practice. I guess it just depends on how many of each card you put in.
All in all, I think that sculler is a great card and it should be played more (Just like hymns)!
Personally, I think Hymn is a bad card. It shines against Combo and is bad against all others. Turn 2 you wanna lay down bob or mystic. The BB casting cost can be problematic, too. And it's by far one of the worst topdeck cards in the lategame. I would play Sculler/Revoker over Hymn all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeph
Made top 4 last night running straight B/W, can post list later if people want it.
Round 1 - Burn (win, 2-1)
Game 1 I mull to 5, Goblin Guide reminds me why his initial's are GG. I take note of the main board Sulfuric Vortex. Game 2 he needles my top, I slam Cop out Red, follow up with Liliana. Game 3 Guide shows him Cop out on top of my deck before it eats a StP, he Spikes and Fireblasts me that turn leaving himself with nothing. No idea why. Stoneforge into Batterskull plus still having 11 life and side tech takes the match.
Round 2 - Canadian Thresh (win, 2-0)
Friend of mine, and having played this before we know how it goes. He gets a good start, but I Plow Delver and flood the board with souls on 8 life. Sculler with SoFaI holds off Mongoose until I draw Sorin, make a few tokens to gain life, and slowly drain life in the air until he's low enough for Emblem alpha strike to be lethal. Game 2 I kill his T1 delver, land Rest in Peace, and make more tokens.
Round 3 - Dredge (loss, 0-2)
Game 1, dredge is dredge. Game 2 I mull into double RiP, and he gets the Therapy before I can cast one.
Round 4 - UR Burn (intentional scoop, 2-0)
I get paired down to another friend who's on 4 points, we all think it's 4 rounds because of the turnout not realizing that the TO has decided to do 5 anyway, and he scoops to me with us thinking he has no shot.
Round 5 - UR Control (ID, 0-0-3)
So I draw with another friend who would'be made top 4 last round anyway, the other two who would've been top 4 draw, I buy my UR Burn playing friend a soda and candy because I feel bad, and we wait around for another 30ish minutes to actually split top 4.
Nothing spectacular, but figured the more I talk about this the more we can try and get others involved.
Post the list man, im interested - after seeing you are using sorin!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by evilGod
I play zero hymns. Liliana is a much better option for discard-based advantage. She is good as soon as you can play her and she's fantastic at any stage of the game. Hymn is really only good in the early game (for the most part) and is a disappointing top-deck in the late game. I play 2 Liliana's in the main, 1 in the sideboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeph
Like I said in the Rock thread: I'd play 4 Liliana's before I played 1 Hymn right now. That may change, but I doubt it.
I'm still running slightly budget (I will get that last Bob and some Thoughtseizes eventually) but this was my list.
3 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Lingering Souls
2 Bitterblossom
1 Cabal Therapy
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Zealous Persecution
2 Vindicate
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
2 Plains
3 Swamp
4 Scrubland
1 Flooded Strand
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Marsh Flats
1 Karakas
4 Wasteland
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Circle of Protection: Red
2 Rest in Peace
1 Serenity
1 Humility
1 Engineered Plague
1 Cursed Totem
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Armageddon
2 Duress
1 Perish
Last night was the first time I tested Sorin, he's a response to the Miracle decks that have ben showing up in my meta more often. The Zealous is for the Goblins/Elves players that randomly pop in, along with the mostly non-existent Maverick/Bant decks. I have used it as a combat trick a few times, but I wouldn't run it just for that.
I was running - Therapy -Zealous +2 Duress in the main, but most of the heavy combo players didn't show and I figured I'd try something else out. I also feel that Hymn is only really good against control decks like UWx blade, which you should be beating anyway.
Sweet list, I used to run a very similar list as this one (bw token themed). I never had zealous main but I did have 2 in my board.Quote:
Originally Posted by evilGod
I wanted to ask about your armageddon in the board. Why do you have that there? Do you bring it in against midrange/grindy match ups where once you've established a board presence you just wrath the lands? I'd like to know your thoughts on it.