[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

No, I have not but Fatal seems to be confident and anything that jams 4 Prime time is worth playing.
All the cards are things I should have, personally. I'm learning I gravitate to big creatures and removal, or so my friends tell me.

Haha yes, Basement dwelling, butt-monkeys

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The deck has something for sure, but you should feel comfortable playing it aswell. Over the years i have spend soo much on MtG. One new deck a week, i ended up with so many avaliable archetypes that my head started spinning figuring out what to play. I sold of a very large portion of my collection kept NicFit, BUG and MUD. Now i have been hoarding again and i am back again to that point. Need to prep for a larfe tournament, but i keep circlejerking to what to play. It is a trap, aaargh.

Morale of the story, it might be wise to take the deck for a spin with proxies or on xmage something something. Or end up like me with an empty bankaccount and a headache.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

The deck has something for sure, but you should feel comfortable playing it aswell. Over the years i have spend soo much on MtG. One new deck a week, i ended up with so many avaliable archetypes that my head started spinning figuring out what to play. I sold of a very large portion of my collection kept NicFit, BUG and MUD. Now i have been hoarding again and i am back again to that point. Need to prep for a larfe tournament, but i keep circlejerking to what to play. It is a trap, aaargh.

Morale of the story, it might be wise to take the deck for a spin with proxies or on xmage something something. Or end up like me with an empty bankaccount and a headache.

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I understand and appreciate the sentiment. I hope you can settle soon and get the proper testing in. I am in the same boat for GP Columbus but I have some time.

As for proxing it, I don't imagine its groundbreaking but at some point, I want cloudpost online so might as well work slowly towards it.(I like to impulse buy with mtg, its my poison of choice) I play mtgo for fun and I wholeheartedly enjoy nic fit and I have fun collaborating and contributing with you all. it is truly a pleasure.

My decision process for Cbus is much simpler. I know that I'm playing Veteran Explorers: the only question is which version thereof. Depends somewhat on the meta by then, but I think that right now, Rhino, Post/Eldrazi, and Ultimate are probably the best versions for a wide open field, with Rhino probably being ostensibly the worst, but the best tuned. We've all put so much work into the Rhino version that by and large I'm comfortable saying that it's currently the most well-refined version of the deck. Post is very promising, but very rough around the edges I feel. Ultimate is questionable in the metagame at the moment, but it has the tools to beat basically anything, which isn't a bad place to be for a GP. My attention is still on Posts at this point. Kozilek is such an absurd payoff.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

My decision process for Cbus is much simpler. I know that I'm playing Veteran Explorers: the only question is which version thereof. Depends somewhat on the meta by then, but I think that right now, Rhino, Post/Eldrazi, and Ultimate are probably the best versions for a wide open field, with Rhino probably being ostensibly the worst, but the best tuned. We've all put so much work into the Rhino version that by and large I'm comfortable saying that it's currently the most well-refined version of the deck. Post is very promising, but very rough around the edges I feel. Ultimate is questionable in the metagame at the moment, but it has the tools to beat basically anything, which isn't a bad place to be for a GP. My attention is still on Posts at this point. Kozilek is such an absurd payoff.

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Do you have lists I can look at?
I am leaning towards bug control for the gp. I feel the need to brainstorm, drs and goyf people.
Nic Fit does hold a special place in my heart though and im working on getting pieces here and there to run it irl

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

Do you have lists I can look at?
I am leaning towards bug control for the gp. I feel the need to brainstorm, drs and goyf people.
Nic Fit does hold a special place in my heart though and im working on getting pieces here and there to run it irl

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Sure.

Ultimate

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
2 Baleful Strix
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Eternal Witness
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Fierce Empath
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Deadeye Navigator

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Toxic Deluge

3 Brainstorm
2 Abrupt Decay

2 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare

1 Sensei's Divining Top

2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

3 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Savannah
3 Forest
2 Island
2 Swamp
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Mana Confluence
1 Phyrexian Tower

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3 Slaughter Games
1 Taiga
1 Notion Thief
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
9 other cards

Ultimate basically combines all of the strengths of all of the other versions -- it has a powerful lategame, it has Brainstorm and Jace, it has Rhinos, and it has Slaughter Games. The problem with the deck is that all of this comes at the cost of being slower than most other versions. You spend more time filtering and setting things up instead of actively clearing the way or dropping bombs. This is an example of a deck that really wishes it had about 3-4 deck slots to play around with.

The sideboard isn't fully listed here because, by the nature of this deck, the board can be tuned to include answers to literally anything. This deck can have a favorable matchup against literally anything, although, due to the limited nature of sideboards, you can obviously only pack in so many cards for so many decks. The 6 cards that are present currently are what I consider to be fairly immutable, or, at least, I wouldn't drop any of them.

Rhinos

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Eternal Witness
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
3 Siege Rhino
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
2 Baneslayer Angel
1 Sun Titan

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Painful Truths
1 Vindicate
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Toxic Deluge

2 Abrupt Decay

2 Sensei's Divining Top

2 Pernicious Deed
1 Sylvan Library
1 Recurring Nightmare

3 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Karakas
1 Phyrexian Tower

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2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Thoughtseize
3 Slaughter Games
1 Nether Void
1 Golgari Charm
1 Tsunami
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Engineered Plague
1 Krosan Grip

This is my latest personal Rhino list. As has been established repeatedly, I'm a little different when it comes to my Rhino lists -- I go a little bigger than everyone else tends to. Baneslayer and Sun Titan have done great work for me since I started playing Nic Fit 4? 5? years ago. I especially like them in the face of this Eldrazi deck coming around -- both of them can do incredibly naughty things to that deck. I won't say much about this -- you also know your Rhinos and have you own opinions on the deck.

I'll try to post my latest Post list here in a little bit. I don't have it typed up, and it's still very much in flux as I test different numbers of things and different configurations. I'm currently up to 2 Primeval Titans and it's unlikely that that will change at this point unless I do something crazy (which I've been entertaining). In straight BG<>, I think that 4 Zenith + 2 Titans is enough. I'll grant that only having one copy was incorrect, but I tried four and found them way too clunky. They pile up too much at 4-of, so without something like splashing blue for Show and Tell, it's just not really going to work in the long run.

I still lean towards Scape and similar builds. In my opinion the combo finish is invaluable, not just because it gives you inevitability but the fact that you can steal wins you have no right getting (12 post, combo decks in general) a and it ends games fast on occasion - one of the problems I had playing "fair" lists is that you tend not to have much time between rounds which can burn you out in a long event.

IMO combo lists are the best lists to "run hot" with, which you're going to have to do anyway if you're going to do well at a large event, so may as well as a deck that capitalises on its good draws as hard as possible.

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Originally Posted by Navsi

I still lean towards Scape and similar builds. In my opinion the combo finish is invaluable, not just because it gives you inevitability but the fact that you can steal wins you have no right getting (12 post, combo decks in general) a and it ends games fast on occasion - one of the problems I had playing "fair" lists is that you tend not to have much time between rounds which can burn you out in a long event.

IMO combo lists are the best lists to "run hot" with, which you're going to have to do anyway if you're going to do well at a large event, so may as well as a deck that capitalises on its good draws as hard as possible.

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In no way do I disagree that combo finishes are important to a deck like Nic Fit. Midrange decks with combo finishes tend to be my sweet spot -- they're very rare, but they're unilaterally my favorite archetype when they do appear. That being said, I do have tow specific issues with Scape:

1: I personally stopped having fun with it. In no way is this a reflection on the deck itself. I still endorse it as being a good deck. For a while, it was uncontestedly the best version of Nic Fit, imo. But I grew tired of it. This is in large part due to:

2: As the deck has aged, its creature plan has become awful to the verge of embarrassing. There was a time in the format where Scape had a legit plan B, in the form of its creature beatdown. Huntmaster and Thragtusk were both nearly uncontested on the battlefield, and as a result you had this wonderful hybrid that could be control, aggro, or combo on any given turn depending on boardstate. The creature side of the deck hasn't aged well, however, and now the deck is basically forced down this linear combo path with the control elements serving only to make sure the deck doesn't die before it hits 7 lands.

As I said, this still works. It's still good. It's just not where I personally want to be.

Edit: It's also one of the reasons why I've been so hellbent on this Post idea. It feels very reminiscent of Scapewish, but it's actually enjoyable for me to play.

Have you checked out the thread? im in the middle of building and testing on mtgo so hopefully I can contribute. would you say its close enough to be absorbed by nic fit or still a different deck altogether?

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

Have you checked out the thread? im in the middle of building and testing on mtgo so hopefully I can contribute. would you say its close enough to be absorbed by nic fit or still a different deck altogether?

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I haven't -- I assumed any discussion would be happening here. I definitely think that it's part of the Nic Fit archetype overall still, and I've been very vocal about wanting to keep the family together, so to speak. I'll check the thread out here in a bit when I get some more time.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

I haven't -- I assumed any discussion would be happening here. I definitely think that it's part of the Nic Fit archetype overall still, and I've been very vocal about wanting to keep the family together, so to speak. I'll check the thread out here in a bit when I get some more time.

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Make time for the FIT BRUH. It looks promising. Fatal's idea is good, I just want to mold it to what I like to do. oh baby.

Hey guys!

I played in a small Legacy Tournament today at a store in my area and ended up first place! It was so much fun to watch the reactions of the people, when they first saw the rhinos stomping on the field! :cool:
There were only eleven people there, so it was only four rounds.
This was the list:


1 Dryad arbor
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Deathrite shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of clan nel toth
4 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of herons
1 Thragtusk

2 Sensei's divining top

3 Pernicious Deed

3 Path to exile
3 Abrupt decay

4 Green sun's zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Painful truths

4 Verdant catacombs
4 Windswept heath
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Phyrexian Tower
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains


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3 Duress
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Carpet of flowers
2 Ethersworn canonist
2 Pithing needle
1 Krosan Grip
1 Hallowed moonlight
1 Choke

First match: Jund: 0:2
G1: We both flood out terribly, but he has a liliana on the field, and i only draw nearly every land in the deck... Oh, well...
G2: He gets out liliana, the turn after i land Sigarda. instead of attacking him to the face right away, i waste a turn attacking liliana. two deathrites finish me, while he is on 4 life (the wasted attack from sigarda). I don't know what i was thinking there...

Second match: Bye

Third match: TES: 2:0 (yeah, i know, awesome! :laugh:)
G1: I have turn one deathrite shaman, and he seems to have a slow hand. he lets me get to turn four, where i draw a zenith and get gaddock teeg with it, which he needs to find an answer for. but before he finds one, he dies to gaddock and rhino beatdown.
G2: Turn one Therapy, turn two therapy, turn three surgical. i don't really get any pressure going, but draw more and more discard, which slows him down, and i draw zenith, and gaddock beats him down again (deathrite dealing the last two damage, since he burning wished for that horrendous black card that kills all green creatures :cry:)

Fourth match: Sliver-something (don't know the deck, looked weird, but fun) 2:0
G1: He begins, drops Black vise, i take 3 in my upkeep. i can only play a land. he drops another vise, i take 4 on my upkeep. after that i keep my hand low and stabilize with ooze and a rhino. he plays some slivers, but thats not enough in the face of pernicious deed and our holy Rhino.
G2: He has a threat-light hand, and i strip everything with therapy, veteran, therapy. he manages to daze thragtusk (didn't know that he played that card), but after that a zenith for rhino and a little bit of backup removal seals the deal.



Overall the tournament was a bit awkward, but i had so much fun! For the first testrun with nic-fit in a real tournament, i was very happy. The build seems to have good game versus an open meta and is a blast to play! I didn't feel that a single card underperformed, so I'll keep going with this list. maybe I'll cut one deathrite shaman for a third top or something like that.

Even pulled a Polluted delta from my five prize-boosters, so I'll call it a successful day :laugh:

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by helvetios

Hey guys!

I played in a small Legacy Tournament today at a store in my area and ended up first place! It was so much fun to watch the reactions of the people, when they first saw the rhinos stomping on the field! :cool:
There were only eleven people there, so it was only four rounds.
This was the list:


1 Dryad arbor
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Deathrite shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of clan nel toth
4 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of herons
1 Thragtusk

2 Sensei's divining top

3 Pernicious Deed

3 Path to exile
3 Abrupt decay

4 Green sun's zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Painful truths

4 Verdant catacombs
4 Windswept heath
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Phyrexian Tower
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains


SB:
3 Duress
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Carpet of flowers
2 Ethersworn canonist
2 Pithing needle
1 Krosan Grip
1 Hallowed moonlight
1 Choke

First match: Jund: 0:2
G1: We both flood out terribly, but he has a liliana on the field, and i only draw nearly every land in the deck... Oh, well...
G2: He gets out liliana, the turn after i land Sigarda. instead of attacking him to the face right away, i waste a turn attacking liliana. two deathrites finish me, while he is on 4 life (the wasted attack from sigarda). I don't know what i was thinking there...

Second match: Bye

Third match: TES: 2:0 (yeah, i know, awesome! :laugh:)
G1: I have turn one deathrite shaman, and he seems to have a slow hand. he lets me get to turn four, where i draw a zenith and get gaddock teeg with it, which he needs to find an answer for. but before he finds one, he dies to gaddock and rhino beatdown.
G2: Turn one Therapy, turn two therapy, turn three surgical. i don't really get any pressure going, but draw more and more discard, which slows him down, and i draw zenith, and gaddock beats him down again (deathrite dealing the last two damage, since he burning wished for that horrendous black card that kills all green creatures :cry:)

Fourth match: Sliver-something (don't know the deck, looked weird, but fun) 2:0
G1: He begins, drops Black vise, i take 3 in my upkeep. i can only play a land. he drops another vise, i take 4 on my upkeep. after that i keep my hand low and stabilize with ooze and a rhino. he plays some slivers, but thats not enough in the face of pernicious deed and our holy Rhino.
G2: He has a threat-light hand, and i strip everything with therapy, veteran, therapy. he manages to daze thragtusk (didn't know that he played that card), but after that a zenith for rhino and a little bit of backup removal seals the deal.



Overall the tournament was a bit awkward, but i had so much fun! For the first testrun with nic-fit in a real tournament, i was very happy. The build seems to have good game versus an open meta and is a blast to play! I didn't feel that a single card underperformed, so I'll keep going with this list. maybe I'll cut one deathrite shaman for a third top or something like that.

Even pulled a Polluted delta from my five prize-boosters, so I'll call it a successful day :laugh:

Cheers!

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Congrats!

I played Jund last night because I said I would. I liked the deck, but man, it's SO much slower and clocking your opponent sans-Rhino is much tougher. I'm back on Junk, but I'm willing to help tune lists.

I just got back from a 4R event and finished 2-1-1. It was a good opportunity to test Rhino's Abbondanza (signature list) in preparation for MKM Frankfurt. I am to tired to go into detail and am not going to respond to the earlier posts this night.

2-0 Dredge
0-2 Miracles
1-1-1 UWr Stoneblade
2-0 Elves

Quick conclusion. I feel i was lacking more control. Especially against Miracles it felt really hard to got back from a developed board. 4 Siege Rhino's weren't really helpful and only where able to create a false perspective of putting up pressure. Perhaps it has to do more with how i play the deck.
Deed, Thragtusk, Painful Truth's, SDT, Nissa and Sigarda where awesome. Deed being relevant in every game. Scooze won Dredge. Having 4 PtE still feels the right way.
Courser, Meren, Dryad Arbor and Rhino where mediocre. DRS helped in the Dredge MU, but where also mediocre in the other MU's.
Maybe this had to do with the MU's i played, but i really did wish i was playing the SFM build i posted a couple of pages back. Also i felt i wanted to play JundFit instead (i agree with Matt that JundFit is so much slower). Being stuck in a vicious circle and have a hard time breaking out.
Still i haven't decided if i want to bring NicFit to MKM Frankfurt. Anyhow, time to crashland into dreamworld and give it some more thought tomorrow. To the very least i got a OGW booster for the trouble.

Something that I think sometimes gets overlooked is something that I remember I fought tooth and claw with Bruizar over a couple years ago, and why there is a quote by Nietzsche in the primer. Every single person who plays this deck has a different playstyle. They think in different, unique ways. They prefer to name different things with Therapy. They like different sideboard cards, sideboard plans. Etc, etc.

There exist people who believe that there is a "correct" decklist for every deck. I am not one of those people. At best, there is a correct decklist for every person. If you feel that you would be better served with a Stoneforge list, Bobmans, fucking go for it. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, and don't kowtow to pressure from friends virtual or physical. One issue with our community, as wondrous as it is, that we sometimes face is that since many people favor different versions of Nic Fit, sometimes we can feel drowned out or influenced to switch to a version that lots of people are reporting success with.

Don't. Go with what works for you, what you enjoy.

@Ricardio:

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4 Veteran Explorer
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
3 Matter Reshaper
1 Fierce Empath
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
2 Solemn Simulacrum
2 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Primeval Titan
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Toxic Deluge

1 Skeletal Scrying

3 Pernicious Deed

3 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
1 Eye of Ugin
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Wastes
3 Bayou
1 Llanowar Wastes

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2 Disfigure
2 Thoughtseize
2 Trinisphere
2 Warping Wail
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Thought-Knot Seer
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Nether Void
2 Krosan Grip

I'm going to be making changes to this, I would hardly consider it a final list, a polished list, or anything of the sort. It's just what I've been experimenting with lately.

Some thoughts on some of the card choices:

Kozilek, TGD is still the reason to run this deck. He is the scapeshift. He is the one card combo. Sometimes he draws fewer cards than BOT, but his counter-control gives the deck an angle of attack that it's never really had before, and he ends the game when he comes down.

I tried a value-creature based approach with this build, using Solemns and Meren to compliment the Reshapers. The Solemns were added due to the addition of the 8th post, as I inferred the presence of more colorless hands, and Solemns can color fix in an emergency. Meren followed from there -- I wasn't happy with the fact that I had literally no graveyard interaction, and Meren re-buying Reshapers and Solemns seemed sweet. I have to report, though, that this approach didn't really work. The deck felt clunkier than it did previously by a fair amount and had a lot of awful draws the last time I played it -- even more than typical "brainstorm tax" hands.

For the sideboard's part, Trinisphere vastly overperformed. I don't think that I want a 3rd copy, with Nether Void currently filling that role admirably (Void + Trinisphere out is a hard-lock for almost every combo deck). I don't think that other builds of Nic Fit can afford to run it, unfortunately -- the card's strength comes from being dropped on turn 2, and the Post build has a LOT of ways of accomplishing that. Most builds can only go Vet+Therapy into 3ball, but we also gain Cloudpost+Glimmer as a valid line. 3balls and Thought-Knot Seers is definitely a very powerful plan against combo.

Ulamog might be worse than Emrakul now that the 8th post is in the deck. With only 3 Clouds, I don't think the deck could support Emrakul cleanly enough. With the full 4 (and a 2nd Primeval Titan), though, I think that Emrakul is back on the menu. Ulamog just frequently doesn't feel big enough -- it's nice that it's "removal," but it doesn't end the game, and every now and then you need the nuclear option.

I think that what I expect from this deck is the ability to execute the following gameplan: ramp+discard -> sweepers + midrange threats -> primeval -> spaghetti. I'll rebuild the deck a bit and see if I can find a better configuration that will allow for that plan.

I almost want to try to splash U for Show and Tell, to steal a bit more of 12post's tech. Show and Telling a Primeval Titan has always been my favorite part of that deck, and being able to S&T Kozilek opens the door to a very valid anti-combo plan. Even without drawing cards, Kozilek is a fast clock and offers a lot of disruption to anyone who wants to go off. I don't really know how I would be able to reconcile all of this, however. Reshaper and TKS are almost assuredly gone if I were to add blue, which makes the midrange/midgame plan much worse, because both of those cards are nuts. I guess you do get Coiling Oracle at that point, which might be worth looking into. It's also possible I need to go deeper into the Eldrazi shell -- more Thought-Knots, maybe try out some Smashers. Kind of the Scapewish answer of "deal with my bullshit creatures while I build up something you're really, really not going to like in the background."

Well. I have a list, 61
Cards of course. Including 3 main deck hate cards vs discard (either lily or smasher). Some very spicy ones in the sideboard. Only 10 different cards in there this time.

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Originally Posted by helvetios

Hey guys!

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Overall the tournament was a bit awkward, but i had so much fun! For the first testrun with nic-fit in a real tournament, i was very happy. The build seems to have good game versus an open meta and is a blast to play! I didn't feel that a single card underperformed, so I'll keep going with this list. maybe I'll cut one deathrite shaman for a third top or something like that.

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Nice list. Very speedy! Cutting a DRS should be fine.

@Arianrhod: The manabase of that colorless list looks so tricky! I understand you mainly focus on hitting as many initial green sources as you can, but you're still at such a low number!

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Originally Posted by jbone2016

Well. I have a list, 61
Cards of course. Including 3 main deck hate cards vs discard (either lily or smasher). Some very spicy ones in the sideboard. Only 10 different cards in there this time.

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Good luck! Will you be round-by-rounding, either here or on facebook?

Hello guys and sorry for my english!

I am an oldtime legacy and nicfit player, following this thread, considering the quality of discussions, so congrats for the work!

I play actually a rector version in my meta with some adaptations and want feedbacks, so this is my current build :

[ T 1.5 ] - Rector Junk Fit :
http://www.magic-ville.com/fr/decks/...klanglocal=eng

24 lands

1 Dark Depths
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Stirring Wildwood : vs delver and under humility is good.
2 Bayou
2 Plains
2 Swamp
3 Forest
3 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs

With 2 crop rotation, dark depths package is playable and 1 of my kill.

11 creatures

1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons : well Mvp
3 Academy Rector
4 Veteran Explorer

26 others spells

Enchant package : 10
3 Sylvan Library : 35% of my meta play CotV turn 1, so top in hand...Damn!
1 Bitterblossom

1 Pernicious Deed
1 Banishing Light

1 Humility
1 Leyline of Sanctity : MD take first game vs ANT and Burn is pretty

1 Primeval Bounty : make coffee everyday, life gain with crop and veteran is amazing
1 Eldrazi Conscription : so you play «el»drazi*? I play «el»Dryad*!

Other : 16
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad : vs control and token generator under humility
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Innocent Blood
2 Crop Rotation
2 Living Wish : i love toolbox
3 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy

Side

1 Choke
1 Nevermore
1 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Eye of Singularity : vs 12post, it's fun to watch your opponent reading the card before his 3 cloudpost and 2 trop island going to the cim. Good choice vs token (mentor or YPyro).
2 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction

LW package :
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Aegis of the Gods
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Shriekmaw
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Orzhov Pontiff


As you see, only Sigarda is not be able to "kill" under humility, who is of course the key card of my deck.

Generally, Eldrazi Conscription and Dryad Arbor Vs Eldrazi aggro make my day, everyday!
And this build have a favorable match up Vs Eldrazi cancer.

I think 11 ways to sacrifice vet or rector is the good number (4CT, 1 PTower with 2 crop MD, 2 IBood, 2 LWish with PTower).

I know the 3 sylvan library can be 3 SDTop, but with my current meta, i prefer to keep my draw/filtering engine safe vs CotV turn 1, and i only play 1 Deed so...

Of course :
- No MOAR rhino!
- 61 cards = what else?

Thanks for watching :wink:

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Originally Posted by Frenchywox

1 Stirring Wildwood : under humility is good.
Thanks for watching :wink:

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JUDGE! :-D What is going to happen in this scenario?

I really like your idea's. I only doubt that this type of list lacks velocity and can have awkward draws/openers. Looks really fun to play, but:
Obviously Humility is the (no THE) MVP tech in this deck. A LOT of decks fold to a resolved Humility. Granted, the synergy Humility begs for are more combat walkers/Lingering Souls coupled with Zealous Persecution. Not saying you should do that, but rather confirming that this actually works.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

there is a quote by Nietzsche in the primer.

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Sometimes i forget, thanks for pointing that out. I really wanted to believe that the mainstream list was THE list for me.