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I welcome to our stoneblade, deathblade, combo deck returning overlords.Quote:
Originally Posted by maharis
Amazing!
This most likely means that Stoneblade is back, UR Delver is better and Zoo gets to play again. I think Prelate on 1 gets a big boost and Maverick should very much be a real deck again!
Maverick is by far the most consistent non-blue deck now and it doesn't have to twist itself into a pretzel to beat Miracles. This is good for this deck even if I think banning top was largely shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderknight
I'm happy to roll with Knights again.
I'd previously been a big advocate for Aether Vial over GSZ, primarily because of its better Miracles matchup, but I think GSZ may be the way going forward.
100% agree. I didn't want anything banned. But I'm glad I'm a Maverick player and not a miracles player right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by maharis
Screw top. It was 100% the correct call. Banning balance would have just left them with a deck full of predicts, snapcasters, counterspells and terminus, still tier 1. Wizards stance has always been to ban the enabler, glad they stood by their own standards.
Teeg takes a hit and can most likely go to SB, Pridemage needs to be a 2-3 if to make sure equipment die.
I feel like we still want teeg. It's good against storm and elves (even though winning g1 against elves feels like a crapshoot) and if stoneblade comes back with engineered explosives, supreme verdict and Jace I feel like teeg could be a reasonable 1 of in that matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
I do agree extra Pridemage is a thing.
Mother of Runes: In response, *sips tea*Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
Oh my God oh my God oh my God (gets zeniths outta dusty box, dancing and whistling).Quote:
Originally Posted by maharis
^^
I'm so hyped! What changes should we make to our sideboard now that Maverick Christmas is finally happening?
Time to brew boiz!
In my sb I had garruk relentless for miracles mainly but it's still a fine grindy card. But I think I'm going to switch it to a toxic deluge (already being supported by 2x zp). I feel like deluge is really good against elves and infect, two bad matchups, and fine against DnT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
I was trying Garruk as well and was also thinking of dropping him. It did make our Shardless BUG matchup better but it's not like that changed much, it was mainly there for the deceased.
Gideon now counters all of the -1/-1 effects that will be everywhere, and he stomps BUG.
Well my friends we got some decisions. My guess is we have the return of stoneblade. Show and tell, elves and storm are going to be our major threats. Let's see some list!
My current list runs 3sfm and 3 equipment (SoLaS/SoFaI and jitte)....I am debating do I go back down to 2 sfm and just SOFI/JiTTE and add 2x Prelate to help with combo?Quote:
Originally Posted by NEELEY
List would be as such
Creatures (25)
4x DRS
4x Mom
4x Thalia GoT
4x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Qasali Pridemage
2x Stoneforge Mystic
2x Sanctum Prelate
Spells (13)
4x GSZ
4x Swords to Plowshares
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Sylvan Library
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Sword of Fire and Ice
Land (22)
1x forest
1x plains
4x windswept heath
3x verdant catacombs
4x wasteland
1x karakas
1x gaea's cradle
1x horizon canopy
1x cavern of souls
2x savanah
2x bayou
1x scrubland
Sb
2x ethersworn canonist
1x gaddock teeg
2x zealous persecution
1x toxic deluge
1x qasali pridemage
2x choke
2x surgical extraction
3x thoughtseize
1x pithing needle
Other options are to up the maindeck Qasali Pridemage to 2x and add something else relevant...Keep 3x sfm and replace Sword of Light and Shadow with Batterskull..Honestly not sure
edit: Another option is to take out Abrupt Decay for Prelate. Prelate's cost of 2 white is tough but it would mean there is no MD black and I could just focus on G/W. In matchups where I'd want prelate on 2 against BUG it would also feel bad to turn off my own decays. Choices choices.
I think this is pretty accurate. Most combo gets a boost from the banning. Elves definitely benefits. Wondering if other creature-based combo (Aluren, Food Chain) will also benefit. I also think D&T will gain somewhat as well, as their Miracles matchup was mediocre at best. Grindy BUG/Leovold/4c Pile decks will probably collectively be the default "best deck."Quote:
Originally Posted by NEELEY
I think this change lets us perhaps move away from Abrupt Decay and more towards a straight G/W only shell aside from cards from the sideboard. Running a 4th Thalia might become the norm again if combo becomes more prevalent. Additional Stoneforge Mystics seem good and maybe even good old Batterskull might make a comeback.
As for other cards, I think perhaps Containment Priest might be worth playing once again to help combat D&T, Elves, Sneak and Show, Reanimator, and Dredge. Cutting the sideboard Gaddock Teeg is worth considering. Engineered Plague is a card I've wanted to fit in for some time - great against D&T, Elves, and even decks that run TNN.
See my signature, unchanged.
Still calling the deck dead? Sad, I was super excited to see that you posted in Mav after all this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
We need to see where all the blue players flock, delver and stone blade will be popular but so will the DRS fueled 3-4 color decks. Sanctum Prelate on 1 shuts all of that crap down. I feel like my list from yesterday is even more viable now, maybe a sword change depending on what is played.
Is 1 what you name against bug usually (talking about tnn/Leo builds)Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
For the most part, yes. No Fatal Push, no brainstorm, spell pierce, ponder, stifle, thoughtsieze. With a mother out they need 2 Abrupt decays to escape the lock, and knight can keep them off of BGBG(god forbid a Thalia is in the board).Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
Other note:
Scryb Ranger gets a huge boost as a delver fighter, Blessed Alliance is now playable with the probable TNN decks, dust off your manrikis, Renegade Rallier could also be a think seeing how creatures will go to the graveyard now
I imagine Cradles will explode - either through just speculators or performance, get them now boys.
The old maverick is a dud. The new Maverick will reign.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Elves was tier 1 for a while and has since been a crowd favorite, it would be speculators if anything.. good thing we only play 1.
@Koby... !!!
If elves and creature.dec become more prevelant does Thalia 2.0 deserve another look?
For elves we will have jitte/prelate/teeg and prayer, Thalia and wasteland not helping means we have dead cards aplenty. After the board we get ethersworn canonist as our main option to stall until jitte is online.
Just like DnT vs Elves, we just don't match up well against tons of 1 drop creatures.
Any creature.dec that isn't as fast as elves has to deal with Swords/Knight/Mom/Stoneforge and I think we will be favored against.
Was wondering the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
Apologies if this already got asked and buried since this thread blew up, but does Teeg move to the board now? Feels to me that without Terminus, we don't need a mainboard 2/2 who shuts off our GSZs and is dead in some matchups. He'd free up a space for other spice, such as new Thalia or Renegade Rallier. That said, if Storm comes back in a big way maybe he needs to stay in the main.
I am currently on 3 mainboard prelates and will consider moving teeg to the board as prelate+Thalia should be good for game one. Renegade Rallier is a very real possibility and there is a Displacer list from Japan that abuses the hell out of him. I don't know how much we can count on Renegade Rallier as he is much better in Vial lists and doesn't really fix a weakness towards DRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
Punishing Maverick with Prelates might deserve some attention if DRS and company take over.
I honestly think there's some real merit to new Thalia now. It blocks Leo like a champ, slows down infect/elves (problem matchups) and slows down to some degree combo if they only have fetches. Even if it just gave us 1 extra turn to GSZ for teeg/hatepiece I think that's pretty good. Also shuts down Sneak attack.
It was bad vs miracles which is when i think running other things like abrupt decay was more relevant and had better universal use.
Get to testing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
I've always thought that THC was good in tons of matchups. What I don't think has changed is more legendaries makes us weaker to Karakas.
This was a problem about 2-3 months ago when DnT swarmed most metas but I'm not sure it's that big a deal right now that people moved on to other decks. I guess we'll need to see in which direction the meta moves but if people go to BUG/4c decks, DnT might become more popular as well.
I find Orim's Chant to be absolutely essential to having a positive elves matchup. It's main boon is that it provides maverick the ability to stop either a Glimpse turn, or a natural order turn using its silence/fog effects. If elves is going to be rising in popularity, the white Counterspell will do lots.
Dawnstrider?Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
Spore Frog?
At least these are tutorable, even though they are more limited in scope than Orim's Chant.
I agree. That was one of my first thoughts is that new Thalia is really good. I'll be jamming them
so its been good for you? I like that it's also good against storm and can be cast t1 but generally I lean towards more permanent based hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
Just a note learned from my 5 minutes testing Loxodon Gatekeeper in Soldier Stompy years ago: A rules-aware Sneak player will sneak the creature in at the end of your turn and attack the next turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
ahhh good catchQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott
True, but they can never beat a Thalia + Karakas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
It's actually about having both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
They bounce Teeg end of turn, attempt to go off on theirs only to get silenced, they pass and you recast Teeg.
Opponent topdecks sneak attack, casts it, and puts a creature into play. They go to combat and they have to skip combat, they then sacrifice their creature at end of turn.
Opponent casts Aluren, in response to you silence them. Aluren hits the battlefield and you cast your Pridemage and kill Aluren without them able to respond.
It provides an instant speed way to interact with how your opponents normally have to interact your permanent based hate. Sometimes discard allows you to get rid of a key piece and sometimes silence stops them after they've commuted an excess of resources.
I used to use Chant over Thoughtseize exclusively until the Dig through time era of Omnishow. I switched to Thoughtseize because Silence was only good if you also had a Reclamation Sage in hand.
It's not a must--but it's actually a fantastic effect against elves because it gives your normal weapons a chance to kill elves without dying to elve's topdecks.
It's better than things like dawnstrider because all cards like that do against elves is force them to beat you fairly and have no use against any other matchup. Chant is a great Spell against both storm, elves, and s&t. Actual fog effects are only good versus elves.
I had to order one last night. Quickest impulse purchase of my Magic career...Quote:
Originally Posted by Claymore