Why not. without the grave, all dredge has is narcomoebas that eat bolts, tribes that eat paths, and imps that dont block. making sure bridge is out> 1 power.Quote:
Originally Posted by trivial_matters
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Why not. without the grave, all dredge has is narcomoebas that eat bolts, tribes that eat paths, and imps that dont block. making sure bridge is out> 1 power.Quote:
Originally Posted by trivial_matters
just dropped from the MTG Legacy tourney. I beat Fish and Reanimator, and lost to Affinty and what I think is TES. Can't be sure on the last, though. It was awhile ago.
Anyway, list:
Land: 19
3 Windswept Heath
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Taiga
3 Plateau
1 Savannah
3 Arid Mesa
1 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Forest
Creatures: 22
4 Wild Nacatl
3 Kird Ape
3 Grim Lavamancer
3 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
Spells: 19
2 Sylvan Library
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Helix
3 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Green Sun's Zenith
Sideboard: 15
2 Gaddock Teeg
1 Path to Exile
3 Pithing Needle
3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Choke
2 Price of Progress
I dropped after losing to Affinity 1-2. Game 3 I mulled to 4 (All of them were no-landers :\) and he got 2 Cranial Plating and tons of dudes to equip it to.
I dead drew Knight too much, though. I would definitely cut back one next time.
Well when you're playing 19 land, you're gonna not draw them sometimes. GSZ with no Dryad arbor as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by boneclub24
Pridemages don't help except as a 2/2 exalted dude on offense, and as a creature for me to burn with Punishing Fires on "defense" (to pop their bridges). You're correct that they never present me with any targets (unless they're terrible at play Pithing Needle and/or Leyline of Sanctity), and I don't run any artifacts or enchantments either. These cats certainly aren't ideal, but the next card in my sideboard would be red blasts, which we have already established as bad; or playing a 22nd/23rd land, which seems weaker than GW 2/2 Exalted.Quote:
Originally Posted by trivial_matters
@jnosrati: What legal targets do you have for Qasali Pridemage's ability? I'm never able to sacrifice him, only burn him with a Zombie creating trigger on the stack to wipe out their bridges.
Often, leyline. which is relevant b/c i have crypts and burns that i like to hit them with. can you not do it with no target? Noob moment...
Pretty sure you need a valid target to activate the ability. Kinda like how you can't cast naturalize for shitsngiggles when there's no legal target.
well in that case, leylines, and if I have to, libraries i guess. Id rather lose my library than the game, the size of creatures is not very relevant in this mu, as all of their creatures are bad without grave plays.
we will gonna be having a new warlord in zoo deck.. i think grand abolisher would take a spot in our zoo decks =)
3 mana to give wild nacatl, steppe lynx, qasali pridemage and loam lion +1/+1? Or instead, play Terravore or Knight of the Reliquary who will just bash their faces in, hard. Wild Nacatl, Loam Lion and Steppe Lynx get removed anyways or they have already most likely lost the game. When topdecking you want to get Knight of the Reliquary (extremely good threat on her own, doesn't need anything more than herself to beat face) instead of getting some poor lord who doesn't do anything himself, but instead requires you to have a very strong board presence.
@lordofthepit: I agree with your reasoning there. Your options are limited. On a side note, have you tried playing an Enlightened Tutor sideboard (strictly in Big Zoo)? The problem I see is that it makes a slow deck (in comparison to normal Zoo) even slower, however the strength of being able to tutor up what you need might be worth it.
Concerning M12, I don't think there are any cards that are playable in any Zoo variant. This deck does not want Grand Abolisher.
the ww 2/2 creature has some sideboard merit i think
It's not replacing anything that already isn't proven. Kinda glad not every set comes out that hands Legacy decks a sharp new toy.
The last thing this deck got was from Alara block with Wild Nacatl, and KotR. What's going to be better than the best one drop and three drop this deck can manage?
Cat Scratch Fever
Instant - W
As an aditional cost, sacrifice a Cat creature you control.
Cat Scratch Fever deals 5 damage to target creature or player.
I dunno, given all the Cats Zoo runs (Nacatl, Loam Lion, Steppe Lynx, Qasali Pridemage), a Goblin Grenade reprint might be actually good for the deck. There is no merrit to this post.
I think Coat of Arms is strictly better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
Were it a 2/2 for 2
You mean a 2/1 right? It can't be a 2/2 because than it'd be a bear, which would break Zoo's cat philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
It has to at least be a Savannah Lions or Isamaru.
I used Enlightened Tutor sideboard occasionally with Big Zoo, but I used it a lot in normal Zoo when I used to play that. I like it for Dredge, Storm, and 43 Lands because you can represent a lot of sideboard options with relatively few cards, and I imagine it'd be pretty solid against Affinity and Forgemaster combo too (tried it once recently, but never drew my hate).Quote:
Originally Posted by trivial_matters
However, I absolutely hate it when I expect a lot of blue decks (as I usually do), since the Enlightened Tutor package takes up a lot of space for cards that I'd otherwise devote to cards like REB, Krosan Grip, etc. Furthermore, the potential to get blown out by a counterspell on a two-for-one--especially during the height of Counterbalance--was too dangerous.
PM is a 2/2 for 2... but yeah, same flavor, different coneQuote:
Originally Posted by RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
Im coming from the Maverick Thread since that deck isnt straight forward enough for me. Im thinking about merging the 2 decks (Mav and Zoo). Anybody tested SFM and Wastelands in Zoo yet?
My list im starting to test looks like this:
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Windswept Heath
2 Savannah
3 Wasteland
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas
1 Batterskull
4 Wild Nacatl
3 Grim Lavamancer
3 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
3 Taiga
2 Plateau
1 Mountain
3 Wooded Foothills
SB: 3 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 2 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 1 Null Rod
SB: 2 Choke
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Vexing Shusher
SB: Path to Exile
I'm not feeling Batterskull in the above list. With no counters, Mother of Runes, Aether Vials, etc - you don't have any way to push an active Stoneforge Mystic on board. Broadcasting Batterskull really leaves you open to getting stuck with it bricked in your hand and taking a sizable tempo hit.
Honestly, if going the Big Zoo route I like the stock approach of 2 Library, 2 Jitte, 2 Elspeth rather than 3 SFM, 3 Equips. SFM packages - and especially Batterskull - really shine against match ups that Zoo's already pretty favorable against and it's pretty mana intensive.
I want to talk about NO rug. this deck beat me out of top 8 and i think we have a bit of trouble here. they run bolts to kill teegs as well as their own lavamancer, dazes, and mm's. also, they board in jitte and more lavamen. This is a pretty rouch one for us I think, and I am starting to be scared of this deck. other than play more teegs, what other outs do we have? is the only answer to kill shit? protection from progenitus with that enchantment? theres gotta be something better