I played Maverick at a small GPT this weekend. Here's a report, if you're interested. In short, the deck feels great and should do well in the hands of players better than me.
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I played Maverick at a small GPT this weekend. Here's a report, if you're interested. In short, the deck feels great and should do well in the hands of players better than me.
Grats on the top 8!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
Burn twice in a row is pretty rough.
Would you make any changes or have any ideas for the future? You ran a pretty traditional list overall.
Cheers Lavafrogg! The maindeck felt solid. I think I'll drop the Batterskull for one of the Swords, but other than that I'll probably run it back as is. As I mentioned in the report, it felt like I was favored vs all the fair decks, and I've got enough combo-hate that I won't be totally dead to unfair decks.
For the sideboard:
- I'm cutting the Melira, which was basically just there to troll one of my teammates. For now I'm replacing it with a Diabolic Edict, which seems like a good flexible option. However, it might also become a 3rd Zealous Persecution, a Sigarda, or the Batterskull I'd dropped from the main. I also desperately want to run Abzan Beastmaster, but I suspect he actually just sucks.
- I think the Bog wants to be a 3rd Surgical. Maybe Maverick pilots who have played the deck for longer appreciate the ability to Knight > Bog, but Bog feels so shitty when you draw it. Surgical, meanwhile, is an amazing card, but I never drew either of my 2 copies.
Who wins a dual land as a door prize?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
I spent a lot of time playing Junk with Zeniths and have little faith in the black disruption plan, that being said I ran thoughtsieze into hymn into teeg essentially, I found that if they are going to beat you turn 1, they can beat you through a thoughtsieze.
Zealous Persicution is really the only black card that I really miss from the splash as white has no good options with the same effect. The black splash also hurts multiple Sanctum Prelates as the mana base would struggle to get GWWB consistently and still get basics.
My sideboard started with 4 Prelates.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Ten black splash forced me to trim it down to 2...
I definitely know your pain.
I have always found Maverick to have a surprisingly sketchy mana base, hence why the Punishing builds used to play a mainboard life from the loam to help stabilize against mana disruption. Pushing into black for reactive cards like removal doesn't sound like a good plan to me, especially when removal is best against decks that pack wasteland(delver, bant). The black splash is best against decks that cannot punish your manabase such as Miracles, RIP, and combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
The instances where Thoughtsieze is worth it are surprisingly slim. I mean this by saying that if the combo player does not have the turn 1/0 kill, a relevant hate bear is a better card to have due to the lasting effect and clock provided. In addition, one discard spell is often not enough to delay them more than a turn. Consistent turn 0/1 decks do not really exist in this format, the BR Reanimator deck most likely being the best one, I am fine with forcing them to go off before something bad happens, like a turn 2 RiP/Canonist/Thalia/Teeg/Prelate, that stops them from winning. Once again, we are not playing a blue deck that can stop early combo on a regular basis.
I have died countless games with Junk/Rock with discard and bears in my hand, but I have also dropped a turn 2 Thalia that they couldn't beat more often than not. I also play Enlightened Tutor sideboard so I pretty much always have the turn 2 hate card.... which helps
3 Burn match ups is just the worst luck ever. Thanks for posting these.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironclad8690
It looks like the first glimpse of the new meta is in:
Grixis Delver
Show and Tell
Elves
Appear to be the clear cut tier one decks.
Food Chain/BUG Combo/Leovold
Storm
Stoneblade
Dragon Stompy
Are all having a strong tier 2 showing
Death and Taxes has seem to taken a hit wih all of the Elves hate, eldrazi is nowhere to be seen, infect is also AFK but could make a comeback as a very fast "Delver" deck.
How does everyone feel about these matchups?
Show and Tell feels very weird to me...if they go heavy in on Omni I think it's bad...if they don't I think it's pretty good. Prelate seems to be the best answer to show and tell altogether. All the tier 2 decks seem fine for the most part. Grixis Delver seems fine. Elves I am pretty outspoken about not liking but I think it's winnable. Decks like infect seem more miserable to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
edit: mtggoldfish says that 70% of SnS decks play 3x Omni...feels bad man
The newer lists seem to be dropping Omni, but playing the set of petals to speed up:/Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
Edit: Another Top 8 posted:Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
// NAME : Maverick
// CREATOR : Jakob Patterson
// FORMAT : Legacy
1 [R] Bayou
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
1 [US] Gaea's Cradle
1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [UNH] Plains
1 [R] Scrubland
2 [UNH] Forest
2 [R] Savannah
3 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [KTK] Windswept Heath
1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
1 [] Scavenging Ooze
1 [TSP] Scryb Ranger
1 [C14] Sylvan Safekeeper
1 [C14] Titania, Protector of Argoth
2 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
2 [] Renegade Rallier
2 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
3 [DKA] Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 [RTR] Deathrite Shaman
4 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
4 [CMD] Mother of Runes
1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
1 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
2 [5E] Sylvan Library
4 [] Swords to Plowshares
4 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith
SB: 1 [RTR] Pithing Needle
SB: 1 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 [ARB] Zealous Persecution
SB: 2 [8E] Choke
SB: 2 [C14] Containment Priest
SB: 2 [CMD] Path to Exile
SB: 2 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 3 [THS] Thoughtseize
hey Guys,
i had a great weekend at MKM Frankfurt with my beloved GW/b list
sigarda and Thalia 2.0 are nuts, as i told you many times :wink:
went 6:1 at the legacy trial on saturday and finished 6th out of 114
went 7:3 at the main event on sunday 55th out of 437 people.
i will write about it in the next 2 days...:smile:
Hi everbody.
This is my first post in this thread but surely not the last one.
A few weeks ago I decided to start playing Punishing Maverick.
The reasons were pretty simple:
1. I wanted to play a deck that is fun to play for a long time. Four different toolboxes in the same deck allow that.
2. It should be upgradeable
3. We at least have some game against each deck.
4. No blue duals are needed. Therefore the price was manageable.
Two small FNMs were strengthening my decision.
Now the fun part:
Last weekend I played the MKM series tournament in Frankfurt.
And i had a blast.
Following 75 have been used:
//Lands
1 Bayou
1 Dark Depths
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Plateau
2 Savannah
2 Taiga
1 Thespian's Stage
3 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
3 Wooded Foothills
//Creatures
1 Birds of Paradise
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Mother of Runes
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
//Spells
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Punishing Fire
4 Swords to Plowshares
//Weapons
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
//Sideboard
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 2 Choke
SB: 2 Engineered Plague
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Null Rod
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Qasali Pridemage
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Worship
Theese were my results:
1st trial:
4-3 (no particular order)
Loam W
Deadguy W
Esperblade L
Bantblade W
TurboDepths L
Grixis Delver L
Shardless Leovold W
2nd Trial:
5-2
GWb Maverick W (i guess Skizz)
DnT L
BigRed W
Imperial Taxes W
4 Color Delver L
4 Color Delver W
Infect W
Mainevent:
6-3-1 (no particular order)
Bye W
Deathblade L
SpiralTide L
UWR Blade D
Grixis Delver L
UB Reanimator W
Canadian Delver W
DnT W
FoodChain W
UR Control W
Most of my losses were due to mistakes on my side (really bad mulligan decisions, bad plays...) or strange things (Price of Progress for 16dmg out of 4C Delver)
Just a few of the lost games felt out of my control: Esperblade and SpiralTide.
The most important part: I hadn't that much fun playing Magic for decades. The deck is an absolute blast to play.
I had now two days to think about my results and the deck:
The maindeck was solid. There is not a single card that I would change at the moment.
But the sideboard was not that satisfying. Therefore and due to Ironclads videos I decided to try Worldly Tutor next.
Some hatebears that came to my mind so far:
Containment priest
Orzhoff Pontiff
Ethersworn Canonist
Phyrexian Revoker
Gaddock Teeg
Cunning Sparkmage
Harsh Mentor
Phyrexian Metamorph
Any ideas?
Quick poll. What equipment package is everyone running these days? I'm building into GWb Maverick from Punishing and have Jitte, Batterskull, and an open trade window in MTGO with Sword of Fire and Ice selected. What else?
Light and Shadow is worth having in your arsenal as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by menloe
I run jitte/sword of fire and ice/sword of light and shadow. Fire and Ice imo is one of the best. If you can connect and kill one of their creatures you just net 2 cards for your 1 and that will just keep going up the longer it stays. It's also a serious clock and helps you race TNN. Sword of Light and Shadow was better when Miracles was around imo but I think it's still very solid. Against BUG it lets you swing past baleful strix/Leovold/DRS get creatures back they most likely killed and helps race. Also good against stoneblade decks. Most stoneblade decks run STP and SoLaS blanks them. I have also used it with a Scryb Ranger to play offense and defense vs batterskull. Overall I just like the swords and jitte because it turns any creature into a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by menloe
Thanks muchly Megadeus and Luthiereisfun!
Sword of Feast and Famine was good when Shardless BUG was a bigger portion of the meta.
After almost a year of playing the dark depths combo in maverick I have hopped on the bandwagon and joined the cradle crowd, at least for now :wink:. With the loss of miracles and the rise of the new legacy meta game I'm beginning to tinker with my list a bit. Last week at my lgs I tried no mb abrupt decay and instead played 3 Pridemage along with a singleton sanctum prelate. I definitely missed having the extra creature removal and am now planning on running this list.
Lands
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
4 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Plains
4 Wasteland
Creatures
4 Deathrite
1 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Stoneforge Mystic
Other
4 STP
4 GSZ
1 Sylvan Library
1 Jitte
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Abrupt Decay
Sideboard
3 Thoughtseize
3 Zealous Persecution
2 Choke
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Pithing Needle
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Containment Priest
My LGS is running a win a dual for each weekly legacy tournament this month, there is also a legacy GPT this month. Given the lack of miracles I'm feeling fairly well positioned, mainly worried about elves and Sneak N Show, but should be interesting. Also Cradle makes equipment feel much less clunky.
With the first results of the "new" meta coming in it seems that our Delver and Stone-blade friends have not pushed out combo as much as we would have hoped. Time will tell as the format continues to adjust but we might need to start making deck building calls based on the fact that we have a bad matchup against roughly 1/2 the current meta.
Anyone have any ideas/thoughts?
I am currently considering an old school New Horizons style list with 4 mainboard stifles to combat storm and such. My GW Maverick list is still rocking 4 Thalia/3 Sanctum Prelate/Gaddock Teeg main, but I love to think of options available.
Realistically it does not matter which sword you use, so long as it triggers. All of them are busted, so long as you use the one which most guarantees you hit with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
The swords are usually just meta calls. Fire and Ice is the best in a vacuum but if BuG is everywhere, Feast or Famine/Body and Mind are excellent, the same with the W swords against swords to plowshares.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
That being said, I am testing cutting the equipment package for now, I don't think they really help in many of our problem matchups except for TNN.dumb.dec where they are really good for racing.
Will update with new list soon.
I'm keen to learn what your outs are to the recent trend in Truenames should you cut equipment, Scryb Ranger, and don't run Dark Depths. I'm not even sure there's much point to running cradle without equipment. But I'd really like for this experiment to be fruitful--it would mean a brace new world for sure.
Zealous persecution! I've always run 2, and they've been great, hit TNN, pyromancers, early mongoose, elves, DnT, empty the warrens, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
I've adjusted my list based on nothing but loose assumptions. With Miracles gone I wanted to increase combo-relevant cards:Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Maindeck 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben (+1)
Maindeck 1 Gaddock Teeg (+1)
Sideboard 4 Thoughtseize/Duress (+1)
I moved Gaddock Teeg back to the maindeck, a good toolbox creature due to Sneak Attack, Big Red and Elves (pardon the obviousness of this comment). Thalia Heretic Cathar seems also well positioned (based on my assumptions on the meta), but I'll keep on playing Tireless Tracker for a while in that position. It's a card to consider though, like others have argued.
Another card I'm looking out for is Omniscience (through Show and Tell), it if gains traction I think I may need to put a Trinisphere back into my sideboard (with Enlightened Tutor backup) or double Prelates; Prelate on three is great in that matchup, but not being tutorable comes with a cost.
I saw in Julian Knab's article from yesterday that Grixis Delver was doing well at the MKM Frankfurt event, I lost to a new player with the deck yesterday at the LGS weekly legacy event and it's usually not a particularly good matchup for me. I often get problems with Grixis Delver and UR delver/prowess. I would like to figure out what I can do to improve that matchup.. Maybe Prelates are the answer here too. Or Thalia + Choke.
To conclude I will consider to follow your example and try the Sanctum Prelate.
During the last local tournaments post the Top-ban I've went 3-1 and 2-1-1 (the draw would have been won during the 6th turn of time) so I don't feel that off in the meta, what decks representing halft the meta do you have bad matchups vs?
Ideas are plentyful, I've tried Bant Maverick before and didn't spend enough time to get anywhere. With Leovold there is an incentive [edit: to try dark bant maverick], and I was thinking of swapping Decays for Qasalis (going to 4?) and Deathrites for Nobles, then playing a tropical and some amount of Spell Queller. Spell Quellers with Mother backup, multiple exalted triggers and carrying equipment could be something. Also this enables Invasive Surgery, Flusterstorm etc from the board. Just an idea, since you were asking...Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
I raced a TNN with Jitte on it yesterday with two KotR's, was rather surprise to have made it (the second KotR turned the game around [edit: and an StP on one of the knights bought me an extra attack during which I would have won]). Otherwise the real threat is usually not TNN but rather the equipment, we can usually make 3 lifepoints a turn or race it. So be sure to play plenty of Qasalis. With that said I wouldn't play without equipment...Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomRabbit
Beating Truenames with equipment is easy--but lavafrogg is testing a zero equipment list, and I know he already doesn't like Scryb. So when BUG toxics the board then drops a Truename how does he plan to beat that?
Without access to either Scryb or a blue sword he is forced to drawing double knight.
If he simply had a blue sword, any dork can race. If he had Jitte instead, he could just search for Scryb to race.
That was more the question.
Yes, thanks for clearing that out, but no one suggested using equipment in their answer, right? I feel like I'm misunderstanding something here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
Come to think of it, I have Titania around for winning in such unfavorable positions, that is just the kind of situation I have her for - unfavorable board state, single game-changing card. The green Entreat the Angels.
Misread your answer, I had thought you were saying you beat Truename with 2 knights and a Jitte--which I was of course going "How could you not?"Quote:
Originally Posted by pettdan
I find Truename to be very beatable assuming certain truths are around. For example, if I have a big enough board presence. Or if they only have 2 or less true-names, etc...
But often times games are a lot more gray than that. Youre knights are targetted and a dread of night/eplague/toxic clears some amount of your guys. Your pridemage hits their jitte and suddenly its just true-name vs some mana dorks and a random bear/squire. These are usually the more common game states I find Truenames to be in, and where a blue sword is very helpful in ending.
The sword being blue is not necessary--but with the rise of Leovold + 4Truename lists its something that has to be addressed. And going to zero equipment as LavaFrogg is testing even moreso.
So here’s a little report of MKM Frankfurt, Germany of last weekend:
i think i was the maverick player with the best result?
GW/b
Maindeck:
2 Forrest
1 Plains
2 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Gaeas Cradle
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Noble Hierarch
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scrybranger
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasal Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Suns Zenith
1 Sylvan Library
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawas Jitte
Sideboard:
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Pithing Needle
1 Sanctum Prelate
1 Containment Priest
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Choke
Results:
Trial 6:1
1:2 P.Fire Maverick
2:1 Lands
2:1 Death and Taxes
2:1 Sneak Show
2:0 Death and Taxes
2:0 Aggro Loam
2:0 Chaos Elves
Main Event 7:3
**Bye**
0:2 Elves
2:0 Sneak Show
2:0 Zombardment (B/R Zombies)
2:0 Lands
2:1 Manaless Dredge
1:2 Food Chain
2:1 Esper Control
1:2 RUG Delver
2:1 Blue Aggro Loam
Thoughts:
Maindeck:
The Theme of the Deck is “Hatebears” - so I want as much as I can fit in
First of all I would never bring less than 2 Qasali Pridemages.
Thalia 2.0 has won me several games just because opponents often can’t come clear with her when she hits the board.
if they can handle her… its just a removal less for our knights which im fine with!
At the tournament I heard a lot of laughing when Sigarda hits the board but opponents were just crying... (had her on board at least in 5 games)
SFM+Equipments are nice to have and with Cradle they can immediately put you in a great spot.
but I wouldn’t up the numbers of SFM – im saying it often: I don’t like SFM package but there is nothing else which we can bring in at the same powerlevel.
Sideboard:
All cards were used very well. The only thing I would change is to remove the oblivion ring and replace it with Toxic Deluge
(Thought I would face more Show and Tell Decks these days but we are fine without em) we need more Massremoval for Elves/TNN bullshit!
The whole tournament went very well. Could have won against Food Chain if he hasn’t drawn all the answers for my threads lategame (had him down to 3 life game 3)
Also could have easily won the last game against RUG Delver if I had drawn an answer for either Nemesis or Sulfuric Vortex. (note to myself – keep in at least 1 Pridemage)
I know that I dodged combo/storm but even when I had to play against them the best thing we can do is to slam ~random~ hatebear turn 2.
if they kill us before our turn 2, we have to live with it and theres not much we can do about it.(thoughtseize turn1… wow) No fear!
IMO - Sanctum Prelate is a good card – but I don’t want to play it mainboard, here I see Gaddock Teeg in this role/spot which I like more (GSZ-able)
I don’t want to have 2/2 vanillas for 3 mana without great impact game one, after sideboarding yes maybe upto to 2 when I know what im against.
~Sky is the Limit~
Skizz
I used to not be a SFM fan. I have changed my tuned however and I see it now as a very important role in any creature based MU. SFM for me has been great against infect/elves (2 not so hot MU) while also giving an edge against any other stoneblade/DNT/goblins/TNN grindfest.
As TMagpie pointed out the swords/jitte are busted and I seem them also playing a role in the "overload with threats" category
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizz
Congrats on the tournament and I am glad someone did good with Maverick.
How did you feel against food chain? Walking Basilica looks like a beating on paper, I have yet to play against a Food Chain player live.
Truename isn't really the issue, truename with equipment is the issue. Multiple Pridemages solve that problem nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
My whole argument about Scryb Ranger was before the banning of Miracles, which means it is mostly invalid at this point, but I did state that Scryb Ranger is very good in fair matchups. TNN and Delver are fair matchups, therefore, Scryb Ranger is good. If you check my past few lists you will see that they all have Scryb Ranger.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
Also, I am not testing zero equipment, I am testing cutting the equipment package... which is typically 2-3 Stoneforge Mystics and 2-3 Swords/Jitte/Batterskull. I am currently running 3 Jitte, which is much better when drawn naturally especially against all of the fair decks in the format(looking at you DRS).
Stoneforge Mystic is just so slow in most matchups and I know she is a must kill due to her ability(and she is card advantage), but most games Jitte has the versatility to get the job done.
In your scenario with BUG, am I hellbent, are they hellbent, what did they Toxic Deluge away? I am playing multiple Knights and Mirran Crusaders so I could for all reasons just untap and play a Crusader which will race a TNN especially when I am most likely ahead in life. I could very well possibly lose, but so could anyone.
This is the most current list that I have played at an event:
Noble Prelate Maverick
Creatures(26)
2 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
4 Noble Heirarch
2 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Sanctum Prelate
3 Mirran Crusader
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
Spells(8)
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun's Zenith
Things(3)
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
Lands(23)
2 Forest
2 Plains
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
4 Savannah
4 Wasteland
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Dryad Arbor
Sideboard(15)
3 Enlightened Tutor
1 Rest in Peace
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Oblivion Ring
2 Choke
3 Containment Priest
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Council's Judgement
Truename BUG has obvious hate cards in the Sword of Fire and Ice, the Chokes and the Council's Judgement. Things hitting for 3 really just aren't a problem and Mirran Crusader is usually more of an issue for them to deal with than TNN is for us.
Edit: Maverick top 8!
// Deck file for Magic Workstation created with mtgtop8.com
// NAME : Maverick
// CREATOR : Bressan Daniel
// FORMAT : Legacy
1 [R] Bayou
1 [FUT] Dryad Arbor
1 [US] Gaea's Cradle
1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [DK] Maze of Ith
1 [UNH] Plains
1 [R] Scrubland
2 [UNH] Forest
2 [R] Savannah
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [KTK] Windswept Heath
1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
1 [CFX] Noble Hierarch
2 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
2 [] Sanctum Prelate
2 [] Scavenging Ooze
2 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
3 [DKA] Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 [RTR] Deathrite Shaman
4 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
4 [CMD] Mother of Runes
1 [DS] Sword of Fire and Ice
1 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
1 [5E] Sylvan Library
4 [] Swords to Plowshares
4 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith
SB: 2 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 [RTR] Pithing Needle
SB: 2 [ARB] Zealous Persecution
SB: 2 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 [ISD] Garruk Relentless
SB: 3 [THS] Thoughtseize
SB: 2 [] Sanctum Prelate
SB: 1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
Love the multiple Ooze, Pridemage and the 2/2 Prelate main/side split, that card is bonkers.
Does have the black splash for zealous and thoughtsieze with tons of hate in the board.
Sweet list.
Hey Frogg,Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
thanks! :)
against food chain i would say:
Swords to Plowshares for their Deathrite Shamans
Knights/Wastelands if they make the mistake to fetch nonbasics / tax with Thalia
use Pridemages and Abrupt Decay only for Food Chain
Sword of Fire and Ice (Jitte in some Way) against their Birds
Needle for Balista!
Canonist is very important and shines here as well if they have Food Chain online.
depends on boardstate but Sanctum Prelate on 2 (to shut off their Abrupt Decays) is great / probably on 3 for Food Chain/Plague
also i have brought in Thoughtseize and Choke.
overall i would say its a 50/50 matchup
@Frogg
Misunderstood then. Yeah, the 2-3 Jitte plan over the SFM plan is totally fine. You sacrifice flexibility for more total card slots. I've seen many lists over the years do it.
As someone who ran a list like yours (minus Prelates) for more than a year--I can tell you that Mirran Crusader might seem sexy with exalted Triggers (I ran him with Elspeth to jump for 10 damage a swing), you'll soon realize that he is fairly meaningless for matchups outside of Elves and the mirror. Jund/white lists easily plow him, you're inability to untap him with Scryb matters more often than you'd like, and your matchups against punishing fire decks becomes almost impossible as you have replaced Knights with x/2 beaters who die to burn.
I'm only speaking from experience, so take that as you'd like it. The card is also fairly useless vs Truename decks as they have cantrips and can often find an answer to your Crusader much faster than you find an answer to their Truename. Once again, speaking from my experience running crusaders in maverick for almost two years.
Thanks for the feedback, as much as you have played Mirran in the past, he is bonkers in the current BUG and combo infested meta. He hits super hard in matchups where he cant be blocked and I think that you are seriously doubting the ability of Mom+Prelate in locking down enemy removal spells(and cantrips) while a double striking equipped crusader destroys the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
Elves are super popular as is BUG, so hedging towards these decks doesn't seem like a bad thing and he is also the fastest clock we can offer against combo decks.
I don't disagree with any of your comments. Miracles was the last straw that made me cut him because despite how often he died to Bolt (RUG and UWR Delver was popular at that time) I got enough free wins with him to warrant his use. Just sharing my experience is all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
I love the bastard, and I would probably run him sideboard if I cut black.
Lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
I cut black!
Perfect!
That being said, zealous persecution and thoughtseize might pull me back....
Yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
Toxic (for Truename) and Deathrite (for miracles) was what got me to switch to black.
Why would you want toxicdeluge? That sounds like a terrible idea as you are pretty much wrathing yourself, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
I've been a big advocate of this for years. On paper it's contradictory but against troublesome swarm matchups, the collateral of losing 1-2 guys is justified if it means you mop up their board. This is literally the only card guaranteed to ruin elves, as even ZP doesn't kill off x/2 folks. It's also a goddamn house against DnT.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg