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Looking back, that top 8 is a dream come true for Solidarity. Only one matchup that you really want to avoid? What the fuck dude? You could have easily taken home the gold. Wow, what a beating. Who told him Landstill was a bad matchup? That guy should be shot.
Yeah solidarity has a great match up vs landstill they dont have that fast of a clock and are fair less disruptive then most other decks. Plus game one they have a ton of dead cards vs you (ie all the removal).
I have 8 miandeck counters and 3 Orim's Chants that solidarity has to get through to get anything done. Post board, I have 12 counters, 4 Cspell, 4 FOW, 4 REB; 3 Orim's Chant; 4 Meddling Mages; 1 Gaea's Blessing. It was easy to win with a single meddling mage on reset and a mishra's factory. The other andstil deck also had 4 mages out f the board.
Yeah, that's not a big deal. Honestly. I've gone off through worse. There's no way you can claim that Solidarity is a good matchup for Landstill. No way.
Chant does nothing against Solidarity. You have no clock and they can sculpt the perfect hand. They can get a bunch of lands in play and end the game with 2 Brainfreeze. Mage can be bounced via Wipe Away. Landstill should lose to Solidarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiiMagic
The matchup is more than fine for my build of landstill. Chants in the main followed up by all of the hate out of the board is and more importantly was enough to pull that match out for me flawlessly. I had 2 pieces of disruption in game 1 in the form on chant and FOW with 3 manlands getting in there. Game two wasn't even close with a Mage on reset getting in for 2 every turn joined up by a factory with REB and Counterspell protection when he tried to chain of vapor the Mage.
I have to agree with ChiiMagic, people. I know very well that Solidarity crushes Landstill, but his list has a full seven more 1cc Counterspells than normal postboard. I personally wouldn't look forward to trying to beat this:
4 Force of Will
4 Counterspell
4 Red Elemental Blast
3 Orim's Chant
4 Brainstorm
4 Standstill
4 Fire/Ice
1 Gaea's Blessing
2 Fact or Fiction
2 Isochron Scepter
4 Meddling Mage
4 Mishra's Factory
2 Faerie Conclave
1 Academy Ruins
17 other lands
I really don't think so. I've honestly gone off through worse. He doesn't even play Arcane Laboratory. Maybe if he played Lab, but he still loses to the correctly played End of Turn Turnabout with Flash in the yard. I've done it hundreds of times. I know full well what he's capable of doing, and you're also forgetting that he still has an ass-ton of dead cards. I would take this matchup, and be happy about it.
Yeah, I would also be happy about the matchup. I hope the metagame swings back into high as one of the dominant decks because of the success of the 43 land decks and the loam decks. It would make tourneys much easier for me.
I smell a grudge match. Let's get to it guys!
I've yet to see Landstill without Tarmogoyf to beat Solidarity piloted competently. I mean, Landstill with 30 counters would have trouble doing it as they still simply get Brain Freezed half and half for lethal, or Remand-Freezed for lethal after the counter flurry. And since basically every card Solidarity has once the hand is ready is a threat, Landstill better have 6-7 counters/chants/company and the exact same number of Stifles as Solidarity has Brain Freezes in hand (for 5-6 threats + 1-2 Flash of Insights) if it wants to actually stop High Tide from going off. Chant is pretty much the equivalent of a counter here as Solidarity keeps going off in response.
Of course, it's entirely up to the Solidarity pilot. I've beaten a fellow who'd played Solidarity for a while with friggin' MUC 'cause he was trying to go off way before he had to, allowing me to stop him and then resolve a Morphling once the coast was clear FTW.
I have never lost to a tournament match to Solidarity when I played 4C Landstill. After sideboarding I would have 4 Meddling Mage (SB), 4 Force of Will (main), 4 Counterspell (main), 3-4 Stifle (main), and sometimes 3-4 Duress (SB). This was before they even printed stuff like Trickbind or Tarmogoyf.
Look at it this way. Solidarity really only has a few cards you care about:
2-4 Brainfreeze
4 Force of Will
3-4 Remand
Everything else on both sides is nearly irrelevant. You can keep your Stifles for their Brainfreezes, and your 8 counters for their 4 Force of Wills and 3-4 Remands. When you start siding in things like Meddling Mage and Duress or REB, a competent Landstill player should beat the competent Solidarity player a very healthy portion of the time.
On topic, congrats to Owen for winning, and to Ben for organizing another great tournament. I would have been in attendance if not for my jaunt through Europe. See you at the next one.
I think there's like a single-digit number of people alive who can play Solidarity competently. But I'd hop on a table and do a Leprechaun dance of joy if I was playing Solidarity in that Top 8.
If you want to argue about Solidarity matchups, do so in the Solidarity deck thread.
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