[Deck] Nausea - Tendrils for the win.

Well the reason I don't run Contract right now is because triple black is hard to give up sometimes. It isn't effected by Helm and you can't cast it with City. Pain's Reward is definatly something that I want to put in.

@ Pete: The reason I am cutting Spoils for it is because you really can't run them in the same deck. The life loss is to great for anyone to have both of the cards in a deck. Ideas and Pain make the deck actually gain card advantage, which is something very needed.

I need to keep testing. Once I have a lot of testing done then I will post results. Until then....

Roop

In theory I can't see Pain's Reward working at all against an aggro deck or any deck with early damage. If they know your deck requires cards it would be way more benefitial to just take the damage draw 4 and continue to beat your face while your still stuck trying to obtain a decent storm count or enough mana to cast a Tendrils. It just seems a little hard for a combo deck to use a card like this when they will most likely be at the lower end of the life totals in a matchup.



Edited By Jander78 on 1116553309

The deck is far too fast too lose to any agro deck( with decent hands). goblins are in exception, this card may not be as good aginst gobs because goblins deals damage alot faster then any other agro deck. and the deck still need a answer to wast land.
this card might work better then meditate in some situations.
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I see Jander's point. This deck goes off ~turn 3. by then, most aggro or aggro control decks will be at 20 life and you will be down to at least 12. Against decks with much slower clocks, it could work, but aggro anything might be a problem.

@midnightAce: my thoughts exacty

I can see how that might be a problem against decks that are packing burn, but otherwise that doesn't seem to be reason not to run Rewards.

Even with 12 life you can still gain some massive card advantage or put a huge hit to their life total. I mean, an 8 point life loss on their part after Rewards (and depending on your hand) means you only need 5 more spells (minimum) to win, which this deck can accomplish easily. In fact, I'd think that the best bet for any deck running this is to bid aggressively. A large starting bid (like 7 life) could scare your opponent into just giving you cards or make them assume that you desperately need the cards to win causing them to bid. Either situation is in your favour so long as you've done well with your hand.

More or less, this card always puts you at the advantage. You start the bidding. You know the math to beat your opponent. You know whether or not you actually need the cards. You can depend on your opponent's greed to get you a few points closer to winning (depending on the player).

I definately see many advantages, but it seems like it could play against you. If he out bids you, he loses life and you shave spells of the storm count, but he also gets 4 cards. If you out bid him, you get 4 cards, but you also lose the life, which could bite you in the ass if he is holding a (insert aggro damage spell here), or has (insert aggro permanent damage source here.) He could play a numbers game and get you to bid what he needs you to lose so he can finish the game.

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I definately see many advantages, but it seems like it could play against you. If he out bids you, he loses life and you shave spells of the storm count, but he also gets 4 cards. If you out bid him, you get 4 cards, but you also lose the life, which could bite you in the ass if he is holding a (insert aggro damage spell here), or has (insert aggro permanent damage source here.) He could play a numbers game and get you to bid what he needs you to lose so he can finish the game.

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Exactly...!

Plus it also falls under the category of situational draw, that I personally tend to avoid when trying to create a consistent combo deck. I would much rather stick with Night's Whisper for consistent/cheap card drawing, that doesn't let your opponent have a play in the outcome.

That's true, but the deck needs not to pack 4 Pain's Reward, and other than burn and control, if you casted the Reward during the turn that you are comboing, those card draws are irrelevent for opponent if he won the bid.

Again, I admit that I have not yet proxied and tested yet, so I have no backup support of my theories, so I look forward to Evil Roopey testing both Idea Unbound and Pain's Reward, if the latter turns out to be not worth the inclusion, then let's look at other options.

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Originally Posted by midnightAce

That's true, but the deck needs not to pack 4 Pain's Reward, and other than burn and control, if you casted the Reward during the turn that you are comboing, those card draws are irrelevent for opponent if he won the bid.

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True, they aren't relevent for the opponent, but that draw is extremely relevent for the Tendril's player to not fizzle by loosing one of their major draw spells due to the fact that their opponent can simply out-resource them at that time instead of allowing them access to draw 4 cards. This card just seems more tailored for an aggro deck.



Edited By Jander78 on 1116621098

Pain's Reward is a bad choice because you don't want to lose too much life to it. You're probably not gonna play it more than once, twice max and if you do you won't be able to use Spoils of the Vault to search for whatever key spell you need to go off.

I think that Ideas Unbound doesn't really add much to the deck. I tweaked to mana base and pack a full set of the card and it really doesn't give much more consistency than it had before and I prefer to be playing Night's whisper because I don't have to worry so much about having blue mana to dig deeper into my library because between Ideas Unbound and Night's Whisper the Whisper can cost less through Helm of Awakening and it can make use of the copious ammounts of black mana you should be producing by turn 3.

Ideas Unbound decks will quite possibly be less consistent in the long run rather than those with Night's Whisper.

After extensive testing of many different cards, here is me new list:

Nausea, Version 1.1
Lands//
4x City of Traitors
2x Tropical Island
1x Bayou
1x Polluted Delta
4x Land Grant

Mana//
4x Lotus Petal
3x Chrome Mox
4x Dark Ritual
4x Cabal Ritual

Helms//
4x Helm Of Awakening

Search and Kill//
3x Spoils of the Vault
4x Tendrils of Agony

Draw and Mana Fixers//
4x Chromatic Sphere
4x Darkwater Egg
2x Night's Whisper
4x Brainstorm
4x Meditate

Random Hate//
4x Duress

SB:
4x Xantid Swarm
2x Oxidize
3x Naturalize
1x Smother
1x Vendetta
4x Something Or Anothers…?

Duress has proved insane in the main. Actually in goldfishing, it improved the consistancy. Without Helm it is a 1cc black spell, making it easier to get to 10 spells. Duress also adds something the deck didn't pack before: resiliency.

Ideas Unbound nor Pains Rewsard made it in. Pain's Reward didn't for all of the obvious reasons that have already been stated. Ideas Unbound didn't because it cost double blue. I do not deny the power of Ideas, but in order to be able to play it I have to revamp the entire mana base. I love the mana base that I have already, so it didn't make the cut.

Breaking the format,
Roop

Have you considered sleight of hand instead of brainstorm? While not looking as many cards, it digs further in that you don't end up drawing the same cards again. Plus this would probably make spoils much more efficient. Having to play a draw spell after a brainstorm is always less than stellar. I really like the main deck Duress, but Pox is still a nightmare (Don't feel bad, Pox is suppose to beat combo!)

Sleight is definatly a consideration. Brainstorm is just so powerful that I never thought of replacing it. It shall be tested, like every other suggestion or idea I get.

Roop

P.S. Pox sucks cocks and I hate you.

Roopey the only reason you hate Pox is because you get owned by it every week.

Ok first of all that statement was completely pointless and is considered spam.

Second, since when did you become the #1 Vial Goblin player? Last I remember you make like 5 mistakes a match and are just a generally bad player. Your also forgetting that I introduced you to the fucking deck. Just by making the claim that you are #1 in itself means you are not. ::le sigh::

Anywhos, does anyone have any thoughts on the maindeck Duresses? I have found them to be nothing but amazing. General feedback would be appreciated.

Calosso sucks,
Roop

About the duress what did you cut for it. Because if you cut draw for it might not seem as good.

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Anywhos, does anyone have any thoughts on the maindeck Duresses? I have found them to be nothing but amazing. General feedback would be appreciated.

Calosso sucks,
Roop

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Duress seems very good in the deck, besides the fact that it is a 1cc spell that builds your storm count, it also protects you while you are chaining together your combo. I don't see any problem with it, but it would be interesting to know what spot it did take. Have you had a chance to check sleight of hand? I really think that would help you to dig.

It took the spot of 2x Night's Whispers, 1x Chrome Mox, and 1x Spoils. I have had very minimal problems with the missing draw.

Also, I have actually not had a chance to, but I hope to get to it tonight at playtesting.

Roop

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Anywhos, does anyone have any thoughts on the maindeck Duresses? I have found them to be nothing but amazing. General feedback would be appreciated.

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It took the spot of 2x Night's Whispers, 1x Chrome Mox, and 1x Spoils. I have had very minimal problems with the missing draw.

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The maindeck Duress are, to quote an old cliche, just what the doctor ordered. Against control, leading off with a Duress has won more games. I dropped 1x Helm of Awakening (I know you didn't want to, but its working fine for me), 1x Spoils of the Vault, 1x Chrome Mox, and the one Echoing Truth from the first build. Now its time to start putting up numbers and get this bumped up.

After some consideration I finally picked the deck up and tried playtesting it, and I have to say that I really like it. It's fast, it's consistent, and it certainly works...
If you play it right. I'll be damned if that isn't hard to do.
Part of the problem (for me, at least) has been the four Darkwater Eggs. They're great with the Helm (of course), but if you don't have it they just eat a mana and get you a card, which isn't that great since, unlike in Type I Tendrils, you don't have Stupid Broken Power to get you out of some pit should you find yourself in one. I prefer keeping Night's Whisper a four-of, and I've tried playing with Lion's Eye Diamond using the trick of announcing a spell (ideally Meditate or Spoils of the Vault for Meditate) and popping the Diamond to pay for it. However, I've ended up drawing something like Land Grant, Dark Ritual, Chrome Mox and Land Grant way too often... but that could just be an anomaly of bad luck.

Nice deck.