We draw both games. StP trades with Epochrasite and Factory and Idol face off indefinitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sacearuse
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We draw both games. StP trades with Epochrasite and Factory and Idol face off indefinitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sacearuse
@Sareacuse: How do you win a game against my deck 4. LED/Gibbering Descent/Quicksand ? Swords is useless, and Factory will always run into Quicksand, while you lose one life per turn. It's WW for me (I've corrected it in the Wiki, hope that's ok).
Overall, my LED/Gibbering Descent/Quicksand has 92 points, which is ok, but after last round, I thought there would be more slow control decks with depletion lands and whatnot, and not as many Lotus decks as I thought. Oh, and I really hate Sheltered Valley.
Actually, Tabernacle + Vineyard is savage tech. Vineyard only gives you mana during your main phase (where it burns), not your upkeep. If Idol and Village trade, then the Tabernacle player also burns; and Village can't block, again because of the main phase thing. Don't know how any of this affects the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpatulaOfTheAges
@Sareacuse: I think you should take another look at your Wiki results, as the results you entered in the Row often differ from those in the Column...for example, for the first three matchups, you have "6-0-0" for your opponents, and "2-0-0" for you, which can't be right. To do it right, just write in the appropriate Rows of your opponents
6 where you got 0 points
0 where you got 6 points
2 where you got 2 points
4 where you got 1 point
1 where you got 4 points
Now my own results...
5. Chimeric Idol / Wheel of Torture / Mishra's Workshop
1. WW
2. WL
3. WL
4. WW
5.
6. WW
7. WW
8. WW
9. WL
10.WW
11. WL
12. WW
13. WW
14. WW
15. LL
16. WW
17. WW
18. DD
19. WW
20. WW
21. LL
22. WW
23. LL
24. WW
25. WW
26. WL
27. LL
28. WL
...for a respectable 116 points. Wow, this deck seems to do well almost every round. But it's not TOO good, as it typically loses to Lotus/Show and Tell-decks (if they put something better than Akroma or Nullstone Gargoyle into play ;) ), as well as to Energy Field.
21. DeepfriedDynamite - TITAN
Black Lotus
Show and Tell
Sundering Titan
1. SpatulaOfTheAges - WeWorkHardWePlayHard.dec
Mishra's Workshop
Epochrasite
Chimeric Idol
WW - 6
2. SpatulaOfTheAges - Umph
Black Lotus
City of Traitors
Kodama of the North Tree
WW - 12
3. T_B - Worst Color's Best Deck
Black Lotus
Ajani Goldmane
Quicksand
WW - 18
4. georgjorge - But...this is madness !
Quicksand
Gibbering Descent
Lion's Eye Diamond
WW- 24 (your deck actually doesnt work, you discard first then you get the mana... at least i think so
5. georgjorge - Another Tribute to Tacosnape...
Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Chimeric Idol
WW - 30
6. Sanguine Voyeur - Shining Arbor
Dryad Arbor
Shining Shoal
Autochthon Wurm
DD - 32
7. Sanguine Voyeur - I know how to spell Tabernacle?
City of Traitors
Epochrasite
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
LL - 32
8. Sacearuse - Basic Plains
Plains
Mishra's Factory
Swords to Plowshares
DD- 34 (nobody plays anything because doing so causes the other player to remove answer)
9. Sacearuse - Hostle
Black Lotus
Black Lotus
Hostility
WW - 40
10. Xero - Lol@STP
Black Lotus
Show and Tell
Akroma, Angel of Fury
WW - 46
11. Xero -
Black Lotus
Channel
Nullstone Gargoyle
WL - 49
12. technogeek5000 - 3 lands .deck
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Sheltered Valley
Mishra's Factory
LL - 49
13. technogeek5000 - Gargoyle
Nullstone Gargoyle
City of Traitors
Black Lotus
WW - 55 (I looked and the only other gargoyle worth playing for 5 is voidstone gargoyle... did you get them mixed up)
14. Mordenkain - //Neo-Pawnshop.dec
Epochrasite
City of Traitors
Tel-Jilad Stylus
DD- 57
15. Mordenkain - //Megaliths.dec
Keldon Megaliths
Energy Field
Izzet Boilerworks
LL - 57 (or maybe not, i thought you had to have a land in ply first for these to work)
16. TheCramp - Metaguess...
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Eladamri's Vineyard
Treetop Village
LL - 57
17. TheCramp - Delayed Blast Fireball!!
Black Lotus
City of Traitors
Chandra Nalaar
WW - 63
18. Andros - Bomb Factory
Mishra's Factory
Orzhov Basilica
Vindicate
LL - 63
19. Maveric78f - Drunk Village People
Treetop Village
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Eladamri's Vineyard
LL - 63
20. Maveric78f - Isamaru's singularity
Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
LL - 63
22. etrigan - Two Great Tastes
The Tabernacle as Pendrell Vale
Mishra's Workshop
Chimeric Idol
LL - 63
23. Anusien - Did I Do All That Math For Nothing?
Dreadship Reef
Urza's Factory
Energy Field
LL - 63 (takes a real long time but he eventually wins)
24. Anusien - This Lotus Card is Silly
Dreadship Reef
Urza's Factory
Chalice of the Void
WL - 66
25. freakish777 -
Eladamri's Vineyard
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Treetop Village
LL - 66 (to many tabernacles)
26. freakish777 -
Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Steel Golem
WW - 72
27. Illissius - Big Liths
Keldon Megaliths
Izzet Boilerworks
Energy Field
LL - 72 (same deck as Mordenkain and your the last entered, please forgive me for being a little suspicious)
28. Illissius - Four Mana Rare Enchantment
Black Lotus
Leonin Squire
Land Equilibrium
(10/4/2004 This is a replacement effect, so it is not possible to tap the land that just entered play for mana (as a mana source) before you sacrifice a land.)
WW - 78
TO many tabernacles for no lands. I was doing good at first till i lost 5 in a row.
I disagree. I think it IS too good.Quote:
Originally Posted by georgjorge
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Vineyard only gives you mana during your main phase (where it burns), not your upkeep.
Doh. Recalculating.
LED + Madness does work.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepfriedDynamite
Even if he did, Voidstone is the one banned, so I'm not sure what the thinking was here.Quote:
13. technogeek5000 - Gargoyle
Nullstone Gargoyle
City of Traitors
Black Lotus
WW - 55 (I looked and the only other gargoyle worth playing for 5 is voidstone gargoyle... did you get them mixed up)
Yeah, the Megaliths.Quote:
15. Mordenkain - //Megaliths.dec
Keldon Megaliths
Energy Field
Izzet Boilerworks
LL - 57 (or maybe not, i thought you had to have a land in ply first for these to work)
Actually, I'm not. I decided my decks on Tuesday, if you'll scroll up in the thread. Feel free to check the security codes. The order the entries get listed in here doesn't necessarily have any significance. In this case, the ones I got by PM are first, followed by the ones via email, reordered in some places so multiple decks by the same person are listed after each other. (Also, the Megaliths-Karoo deck first debuted back in 3CB #2 with Keg, and in #4 with Field, and it's seen play a few other times, so it's not too surprising to see two copies of it among nearly 30 entries).Quote:
27. Illissius - Big Liths
Keldon Megaliths
Izzet Boilerworks
Energy Field
LL - 72 (same deck as Mordenkain and your the last entered, please forgive me for being a little suspicious)
Yeah, Sheltered Valley sucks. >:|Quote:
Originally Posted by georgjorge
I don't think the Wheel of Torture deck is too good, though it's certainly one of the strongest in the format. I think any card or deck would have to show results somewhere along the lines of Magus in 3CB #3 to be banned.
Ha good point, I will fix that!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xero
Thanks, etrigan and Illissius for answering my ?
I'll calculate when I get home from work today.
@Spatula, I think I win, if we race, I have 5 damage a turn, where every 3 turns you get 7 damage and the rest of the time you get 3 (this might come down to play/draw however), if we trade, I get 2 damage a turn, and every 3 turns you get 4 (again though, might come down to play draw, as I basically have to lead with a CIPT land).
On the play;
Turn 1 I go Workshop -> Idol
Turn 1 you go Village
Turn 2 Swing(17you, 20me)
Turn 2 You play Vineyard, Tabernacle.
Turn 3 I play Epoch w/ Vineyard mana, Swing (14, 20)
Turn 3 You swing, I block, (14, 18)
Turn 4 2 Suspend counters, Vineyard burn, swing for 3(11, 16)
Turn 4 you swing (11, 13)
Turn 5 1 suspend counter, burn, swing (8, 11)
Turn 5 you swing (8, 8)
Turn 6 Epoch comes in, burn, swing (1, 6)
Turn 6 you swing (1, 3)
Turn 7 I burn, swing (-2, 1)
On the draw I lose.
Results for deck #9
1. W-W 6 (6)
2. D-D 2 (8)
3. W-W 6 (14)
4. W-L 3 (17)
5. W-W 6 (23)
6. D-D 2 (25)
7. L-L 0 (25)
8. L-L 0 (25)
9. ME
10. D-D 2 (27)
11. W-L 3 (30)
12. L-L 0 (30)
13. W-L 3 (33)
14. W-W 6 (39)
15. L-L 0 (39)
16. L-L 0 (39)
17. W-W 6 (45)
18. L-L 0 (45)
19. L-L 0 (45)
20. L-L 0 (45)
21. L-L 0 (45)
22. L-L 0 (45)
23. L-L 0 (45)
24. W-L 3 (48)
25. L-L 0 (48)
26. W-W 6 (54)
27. L-L 0 (54)
28. W-W 6 (60)
Props: Haste!
Slops: Tabernacle, Energy Field
Eladamri's Vineyard
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Treetop Village
@Spatula
Lotus, City, Kodama, me on the play.
Village
Kodama
Vineyard + Tabernacle
pay for Tabernacle, mana burn 1, mana burn 2 in main (you 17, me 20), you have to race (trying to play you just mana burn while I activate my guy and don't swing into Kodama) (you 17, me 14)
I attack 3 (even at 14)
You pay for Tab, burn 1, burn 2, (11, 14) attack (11, 8)
I attack (even at 8)
You burn 3 (5, 8) attack (5, 2)
I attack (even at 2)
You burn before you attack.
1. WL 3
2. WL 6
3. WW 12
4. WL 15
5. LL 15
6. WW 21
7. WW 27
8. LL 27
9. WW 33
10. WW 39
11. WW 45
12. LL 45
13. WW 51
14. WW 57
15. WW 63 (mana burn = life loss)
16. WL 66
17. WW 72
18. LL 72
19. WL 75
20. DD 77 (you have to wait to take a hit once with Village, then continually bounce Vineyard on my endstep to avoid mana burn and Village beating you down)
21. WW 83
22. WW 89
23. WW 95 (mana burn = life loss)
24. WL 98
25. XX 98
26. LL 98
27. WW 104
28. DL 105
Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Steel Golem
against
Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Chimeric Idol
On the play I win by playing Golem and then Wheel and simply racing.
On the draw:
If they lead with Wheel:
I play Wheel, get the 2 damage first. They play Idol. I play Golem (18 all). They take 3 (them 15, me 18) and have to pass the turn since Golem has 1 more toughness. My turn we're both at 15, and then I proceed to win the race.
If they lead with Idol:
I play Golem. They play Wheel. I take 2 (them 20, me 18). I play Wheel, and attack (them 17, me 18). They take 3 (them 14, me 18) and attack (14, 15). I take 3 (them 14, me 12), and pass the turn. They take 3 (11, me 12). I take 3 (them 11, me 9) and attack (them 8, me 9). At this point I win the race.
1. WW 6
2. WL 9
3. WW 15
4. WW 21
5. WW 27
6. WW 33
7. WW 39
8. WW 45
9. LL 45
10. WW 51
11. WD 55
12. WW 61 (on the play I drop Golem first and win, on the draw they lead with Factory to try and beat, I lead with Wheel, they take 1 (19, 20) and play Valley and attack (19, 18), I play Golem, they take 2 (17, 18) gain 1 (18, 18) and have to play out Tabernacle. I sac Golem. They go, effectively take 2, then deal 2, I win by a turn.
13. WW 67 (you can't play your spell???)
14. WW 73
15. LL 73
16. WW 79
17. WW 85
18. WW 91
19. WW 97
20. WD 101 (on the draw, they can't play out Isamaru, if they do they lose to Wheel, they're forced to bounce Wheel forever, on the play, I get Wheel out and guarentee more damage then they can produce each turn).
21. LL 101
22. WW 107
23. LL 107
24. WW 113
25. WW 119
26. XX 119
27. LL 119
28. WL 122
@Sareacuse and freakish - sorry for calculating those games wrong with Idol/Wheel/Workshop. Back to 110 points :frown:
@freakish: How do you WW against decks 16, 19, 25 (Tabernacle/Treetop/Vineyard) with Workshop/Golem/Wheel ? After they play Tabernacle, you can only deal 3 per turn, while they deal 5, and you can't deal enough damage early to win that race.
. SpatulaOfTheAges - WeWorkHardWePlayHard.dec
Mishra's Workshop
Epochrasite
Chimeric Idol
WW, WD. 6 and 4
2. SpatulaOfTheAges - Umph
Black Lotus
City of Traitors
Kodama of the North Tree
WW, WD. 12 and 8.
3. T_B - Worst Color's Best Deck
Black Lotus
Ajani Goldmane
Quicksand
WW, WW. 18 and 14.
4. georgjorge - But...this is madness !
Quicksand
Gibbering Descent
Lion's Eye Diamond
WL, WL. 21 and 17.
5. georgjorge - Another Tribute to Tacosnape...
Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Chimeric Idol
LL, WL 21 and 20
6. Sanguine Voyeur - Shining Arbor
Dryad Arbor
Shining Shoal
Autochthon Wurm
LL, WW. 21 and 26.
7. Sanguine Voyeur - I know how to spell Tabernacle?
City of Traitors
Epochrasite
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
LL, LL. 21 and 26.
8. Sacearuse - Basic Plains
Plains
Mishra's Factory
Swords to Plowshares
WW, LL. 27 and 26
9. Sacearuse - Hostle
Black Lotus
Black Lotus
Hostility
DD, WL. 29 and 29.
12. technogeek5000 - 3 lands .deck
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Sheltered Valley
Mishra's Factory
LL and LL. 29 and 29
13. technogeek5000 - Gargoyle
Nullstone Gargoyle
City of Traitors
Black Lotus
WW and WW. 35 and 35.
14. Mordenkain - //Neo-Pawnshop.dec
Epochrasite
City of Traitors
Tel-Jilad Stylus
WW and WW. 41 and 41.
15. Mordenkain - //Megaliths.dec
Keldon Megaliths
Energy Field
Izzet Boilerworks
LL and WW 41 and 47.
16. TheCramp - Metaguess...
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Eladamri's Vineyard
Treetop Village
LL and LL. 41 and 47.
17. TheCramp - Delayed Blast Fireball!!
Black Lotus
City of Traitors
Chandra Nalaar
LL, WL. 41 and 50.
18. Andros - Bomb Factory
Mishra's Factory
Orzhov Basilica
Vindicate
WW and WW. 47 and 56.
19. Maveric78f - Drunk Village People
Treetop Village
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Eladamri's Vineyard
LL and LL. 47 and 56.
20. Maveric78f - Isamaru's singularity
Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
LL and LL. 47 and 56.
21. DeepfriedDynamite - TITAN
Black Lotus
Show and Tell
Sundering Titan
LL and WL. 47 and 59.
22. etrigan - Two Great Tastes
The Tabernacle as Pendrell Vale
Mishra's Workshop
Chimeric Idol
LL and LL. 47 and 59.
23. Anusien - Did I Do All That Math For Nothing?
Dreadship Reef
Urza's Factory
Energy Field
LL and WW. 47 and 65.
24. Anusien - This Lotus Card is Silly
Dreadship Reef
Urza's Factory
Chalice of the Void
WL and WL. 50 and 68.
25. freakish777 -
Eladamri's Vineyard
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Treetop Village
LL and LL. 50 and 68.
26. freakish777 -
Mishra's Workshop
Wheel of Torture
Steel Golem
WW and LL. 56 and 68.
27. Illissius - Big Liths
Keldon Megaliths
Izzet Boilerworks
Energy Field
LL and WW. 56 and 74
28. Illissius - Four Mana Rare Enchantment
Black Lotus
Leonin Squire
Land Equilibrium
WW and WW. 62 and 80 = totals.
Sacaeruse: I don't think you beat Nullstone Gargoyle on the play. You lay a land, then pass. I Channel out Gargoyle, leaving me at 10. You are not able to StP Gargoyle. You play a land, pass. I attack, leaving you at 16. Me: 8 You: 12 Me: 6 You: 8 Me: 4 You: 4 Me: 2 You: Dead. Correct me if this is wrong.
He is able to StP Gargoyle. Channel is considered the first noncreature spell played that turn.
I should really post my results one of these days. Now I have a legit excuse. Steal Lock! Make it sounds like a game. 'Do you want to steal the edit lock from this person?'
Channel would be the first spell played in the turn, so I could go plains go, you go channel Gargoyle , I swords it any time after that, durning your turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xero
8. Sacearuse - Basic Plains
Plains
Mishra's Factory
Swords to Plowshares
-versus-
23. Anusien - Did I Do All That Math For Nothing?
Dreadship Reef
Urza's Factory
Energy Field
I have me winning that Sacearuse.
19. Maveric78f - Drunk Village People
Treetop Village
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Eladamri's Vineyard
-versus-
23. Anusien - Did I Do All That Math For Nothing?
Dreadship Reef
Urza's Factory
Energy Field
I have me winning that Maveric78f. I can play Dreadship Reef and soak up the Vineyard mana, and sit back on Energy Field. Eventually I'll be able to make a million guys and wreck you.
So do I, I put it in as a win for you, must have gotten changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anusien
Alright, here's my own results.
27. Big Liths
Keldon Megaliths
Izzet Boilerworks
Energy Field
01. 6-0
02. 6-0
03. 2-2
04. 0-6
05. 6-0
06. 6-0
07. 6-0
08. 6-0
09. 6-0
10. 6-0
11. 0-6
12. 2-2
13. 6-0
14. 6-0
15. 2-2
16. 0-6
17. 6-0
18. 0-6
19. 0-6
20. 6-0
21. 6-0
22. 6-0
23. 2-2
24. 6-0
25. 0-6
26. 6-0
27. N/A
28. 0-6
Total: 104
28. Four Mana Rare Enchantment
Black Lotus
Leonin Squire
Land Equilibrium
01. 3-3
02. 3-3
03. 3-3
04. 3-3
05. 3-3
06. 1-4
07. 4-1
08. 4-1
09. 0-6
10. 0-6
11. 0-6
12. 4-1
13. 6-0
14. 4-1
15. 6-0
16. 3-3
17. 3-3
18. 6-0
19. 3-3
20. 3-3
21. 0-6
22. 3-3
23. 6-0
24. 3-3
25. 3-3
26. 3-3
27. 6-0
28. N/A
Total: 86
EDIT -- I filled in the missing vertical columns and fixed the errors I saw. Maveric78f, I have no idea what crap it was you put in your vertical column for #8, but it bore zero semblance to reality. You have to put the opposite result there compared to the row (so 0 for 6, 1 for 4, 3 for 3, 2 for 2, and vice versa), not the same one, but you also had a ton where it was 3-0 or 0-2 or similar nonsense.
Yeah... I though Gargoyle counted spells only after it had been played, but that's wrong :frown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sacearuse