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Link to the 4chan thread? Would be interesting to read.
Here you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technics
It has already reached the bump limited and might be gone soon, though.
Link to the new thread.
Just ordered a free sample of apx 20 cards. Will let you know in about 5-7 days when it arrives with a quick review.
"Yo Dawg, I got these pimp ass goods from my boy in Guangdong. I got Goyfs, Jace TMS, Underground Seas. I got what you need son."
I'm actually interested in seeing how these look next to real duals and fetches. I feel like only good things can come out of having it be this public.
Nerdiest black market ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya
The guys over at 4chan are currently trying to organize mass buyings. Let's see how that turns out. Knowing 4chan, there are probably people who are trying to scam each other.
Are these actually outta Guangdong? I have a friend who is living in Guangzhou, and might be able to get him to take a look/ship some samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya
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Originally Posted by Technics
According to the alibaba page for the seller, yes it is. It even ships out of Shenzhen.
Fwiw, I have not been in Mainland China in about 7 years, but this incident seems pretty normal for that part of the world. Although the quality of these fakes is surprising.
im not sure why everyone is surprised.... as time passes, it becomes cheaper and cheaper to obtain the machines and materials to create fakes. Wizards isn't making US federal currency so they have not traditionally been concerned with this. Also as time passes its more profitable to make fake cards and put them into the market.
I'm seriously considering picking up a bunch for cube. Would be awesome to have real looking cards for my powered cube. Still would need to proxy the mox's but then all the "really 60 bucks for THAT" cards could be real looking.
I don't think anybody is shocked that it's happening. I just don't think many people really thought about the (potential) consequences of wide spread counterfeiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713
There are companies that will print your cube for you, you just have to supply the images, which you could make with photoshop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technics
It was just a matter of time till this happened. WOTC will lose this battle that's for sure...
The foils are harder to make, but the regular cards are a joke... Even the older sets might get underground printings (power, beta duals and other money cards).
I believe that in short time we might have copies that are just impossible to tell if they are originals or not.
I'm over in China now, I'll see if I can get some over the weekend.
I wouldn't be surprised if WOTC had to turn to MTGO as its future business model as a result of Chineese counter feiting tho', with games like Hearthstone rising in popularity it was only a matter of time.
I wouldn't be opposed to this but they'd have to pretty much start from scratch cause the game is trash right now... I prefer to play on cockatrice cause the interface is easier to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
There will always be a way to determine a real from a fake though....at least for the older cards. The card stock will have aged about 20 years which is not something easy to fake if at all possible.
What would be scary is if the fakes were graded and authenticated and passed inspection. At that point the integrity of the cards is lost forever.
I'd be interested in having a proxy of my entire deck. Sleeveless mtg is the way the game was ment to be played! It would be great if they would act like real playing cards too. Really bendy and plastic. That way you can bridge them with ease. And if they were coated, you could just throw them in the sink to wash off all the sweat. Such an easy way to wash a bunch of sweaty sticky cards... What a time saver.
If I remember right artificially aging card board is easy, I remember doing it back in like 5th grade with coffee.Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713
If anyone read the 4-chan thread about this, the person selling this said that there is a "color difference" in the back print of the cards."
He's selling it for 500$ for 1000 cards (12 copies of each card in the list), but there is person in the thread who is making a deal for 200$ for 360 cards (4 of each card)
He's got every shock, dual, fetch, and man lands. Take note that the listed basic lands are all Unhinged.Quote:
Tropical Island
Temple Garden
Stomping Ground
Overgrown Tomb
Scared Foundry
Breeding Pool
Misty Rainforst
Celestial Colonnade
Flooded Strand
Arid Mesa
Wasteland
Inkmoth Nexus
Elspeth Sun's Champion
Tarmogoyf
Cavern of Souls
Scalding Tarn
Hallowed Fountain
Polluted Delta
Surgical Extraction
Sol Ring
Underground sea
Maesh Flats
Reflecting Pool
Mutavault
Wooded Foothills
Windswept Health
Watery Grave
Godless Shrine
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
Savannah
Blood Crypt
Verdant Catacombs
Kalonian Hydra
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Thassa, God of the sea,
Jace, Architect of Thought
Swords to Plowshares
Plains
Chalice of the Void
Goblin guide
it that betrays
sword of war and peace
sword of fire and ice
purphoros god of the forge
sun titan
sensei's divining top
demonic tutor
elspeth knight-errant
thoughtseize
pernicious deed
sword of feast and famine
goblin lackey
goblin pilcdriver
inquistion of kozilek
engineered explosives
kokusho the evening star
bonfire of the damned
ral zarek
lona shild of emeria
stoneforge mystic
lona shield of emeria
spellskite
karn liberated
tundra
path to exile
mountain
swamp
figure of destiny
Ather Vial
Vampiric Tutor
Snapcaster Mage
Academy Ruins
Batterskull
Forcc of Will
Leyline of Sanctity
Island
Intuition
Sphinx's Revelation
Rcanimatc
Just seems dumb, that list, for more than one reason… The most glaring one being that they have so many different color schemes to match (Trop vs temple garden vs chain vs planes walkers etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by dreinal13
Dumb maybe, but I think by the end of next week we will know what these cards are like. Given a very short amount of time, so will the rest of the world.
I was a regular on a BF3 (now BF4) stats site called Symthic. One of the guys found a flaw in the coding that made the M16 immune to suppression effects. I was offline for 3 days but when I jumped back on my Xbox, without me telling my group, they all knew. I was the only one that was on the site, so they others, in 3 days, had found out by word of mouth.
I think this is what will happen here. We are not a small site. People read us but do not comment, then word gets out. 4Chan I hear is a quite large too. Word will travel people, mark my words, this is the start of something. This thread on this site may have had a much larger impact on the future of the game than any of us expect. Word gets out. Good or bad, this will change something.
I really do hope you are right Dice_Box, but sadly there seem to be two scenarios.
First one would be the good one, new players buy into top decks at a few hundred bucks, which isn't much at Magics standards and nothing at Legacys. We will get new players, more players, a more thriving format, more events - everything will be better.
But just looking at the possible upsides is wrong, on many levels. What about the fact that this fakes could lead to SCG quitting Legacy, WotC stop taking it as a format, what if all our cards crash to the price of 10 bucks a dual(well I wouldn't care - for as long as this was the only bad side of things), what if what if what if - there are just too many possible ways this all could go.
I am not too sure if this is good or bad, probably it will have as many positive as negative impacts on our format, on our game as a whole. Well, speculating isn't gonna bring us forward - tests are. I am really looking forward to those of you buying those cards - please do report back to us.
Greetings
I chuckeled at this (it's from the homologous thread at Salvation):
https://i.4cdn.org/tg/src/1389243680451.png
If I had the budget, i would probably buy these in a heartbeat. Do you know why?
Playtesting. Having these allows you to test the decks without making the major investment of $1-2000 for manabases for dual-/tri-color decks. And that's on top of the costs of the other staples.
I liked that so much I went to that thread and found the post just to click the "Thanks" button on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by (nameless one)
You know printers exist? A4 + crap cards + sleeves + some gatherer equiv = Very nice-looking proxies that won't disturb anyone yet are obviously fake, for really cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
http://magiccards.info/query?q=Grafd...v=card&s=cname
Note that you can just click print proxy. Easy.
The thing that suprises me probably the most is how open-minded the responses the fakes are here. No bitter talking about losing money and how it's going to ruin everything, just a "might be cool"-attitude mixed with "might go wrong".
Although that might be the results of years of Wizards basically giving Legacy the finger.
That's because the majority of posters here are competitive tourney players that aren't hoarding 2192736 FoWs like it'll pay for their kid's college tuition. I care far more about new players having access to cards than the virtual net worth of my collection.
^ this. I am not going to sell my Legacy decks off most likely, so the value I get from them is being able to play with people. More people playing Legacy = more value for me. Less people playing, higher sales value is in practice a net loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
very tempting to buy more staples. but legacy players aint stupid. theyre gonna know within weeks of these new fakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
my worry is not about the price of my duals goin down, but the effect of it on scg and other shops that hold legacy events weekly. if a large comany like scg cant make profit anymore, chances are they might dop legacy altogether.
Almost all my cards, except duals and old stuff, are foils and I have more than 10k in card board.
If these Chinese f u c k e r s decide to replicate foils that you can't distinguish I will sell all my stuff.
This is outrageous and it is better if WotC stop this guys ASAP because I'm getting quite pissed off.
Not sure, but I to would think you could make money on events if the cards become worthless. Like a band making money on shows since everyone can just download a cd.
I actually don't mind this.
I don't mind if people get cheaper access to Legacy staples. Maybe we can get the people who exclusively draft to actually play Legacy.
I would rather have Legacy events to fire up at the local store on a weekly basis than having my $2000 deck just sitting and collecting dust.
Besides, if you want real value, go pimp and foil it out. That is harder to counterfeit and your money is safe with that.
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Originally Posted by Arsenal
FWIW, even at a buck each that many FoWs would pay for anyone's college tuition. Hell, you could pay for dozens of children to attend university...
I am a bit surprised about ... so many surprised responses here. Isn't printing cards in China a thing for a very long time and this guy is just one of many, who accidentally got linked on 4chan?
On the brief look I had for that website, it appears this happens with Pokemon and Yugioh as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by crow_mw
Maybe I'll order some fake FoWs and get them altered into those "Force of Will Riker"s I've been wanting, but will NOT do to my one actual playset.
Good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by warai
Why? I mean they have shareholders and they won't be happy if Wotc says "no guys, actually we are making a shitload of money with Standard/Modern, so there's no need to make even more money with Legacy".Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
They can't break the promise of the Reserved List, because they fear a lawsuit but they can print Snow Covered Duals or slightly superior Dual Lands that give you 1 Life when ETB etc.
I really hope that the Chinese fakes are a push in that direction.