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There has to be a point to a card @Mr. Safety, especially in decks with no strategy beyond jamming the most pushed 1-card combos. If BUG Delver needed reach, it would have been playing Coll Brut. For some reason people see this new sorcery and say "finally BUG Delver can fix it's main problem of not having burn"...with a card that is super suspect in against Delver w/ Bolt. It's not addressing any problems, that's why it's unplayable.
Even if ur delver is the only matchup you care about, it’s should be played there as an effective 2.5 for 1 (2/3 of a bolt face, 2/3 of their bolt face, 1/2 of a mental note (formerly played in thresh) and rebuy wasteland) for only 2 mana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
In a deck that can’t afford card disadvantage comparing a 1 for 1 or even 1 for 2 to a 2 for 1 is not being very honest with your arguments.
Edit: I don’t understand why you are so worried about the ur delver matchup. AFAIK bug delver is great in mirrors as the bigger delver deck. Almost everyone had said that it’s weakness was that no reach makes it weaker vs combo and control where decay is dead. This is a decay that is never dead.
Bingo, this is what I was thinking. Delver archetypes in general need some form of card advantage, at least out of the sideboard, to help offset the fundamental weakness of their archetype (as Fox neatly described.) I've always seen delver decks as not needing reach per se, but rather a way to somehow not fall behind in cards before grindier decks take over. Bolt doesn't fix that problem either. A card that plays multiple roles at such an efficient cost is the kind of card that can help fill holes. Sylvan Library, Life from the Loam, and additional removal saw plenty of maindeck/sideboard play in BUG Delver in years past. This is a card that does those things fairly well, provides card advantage, and unlike Library can actually flip your Delvers (EDIT: it's an enchantment which doesn't trigger delver, but it's triggers help stack your top deck to flip delver.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
First spoilers are out:
http://mythicspoiler.com/stx/cards/professoronyx.jpg http://mythicspoiler.com/stx/cards/k...enigmasage.jpg
I wonder what broken dumb shit they're going to put on cheaper Magecraft cards. :rolleyes:
Damn, that is probably the best art for Liliana in my opinion and it gets sort of wasted on a 6-mana card.
Here are all the 'walkers that have no plus abilities of their own:
Ashiok, Dream Render
Chandra, Acolyte of Flame
Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage
Dovin, Hand of Control
Garruk Relentless
Huatli, the Sun's Heart
Jaya, Venerated Firemage
Jeska, Thrice Reborn
Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor
Kaya, Bane of the Dead
Kaya, Ghost Assassin
Kaya, Ghost Haunter
Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
Nahiri, Storm of Stone
Narset, Parter of Veils
Ob Nixilis, the Hate-Twisted
Saheeli, Sublime Artificer
Sarkhan the Mad
Teyo, the Shieldmage
The Wanderer
Tibalt, Rakish Instigator
I guess Narset is the most obviously good one to go with Kasmina, but doesn't seem all the great at first blush.
8 mana.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
Is this easier or harder in a TES
You have no idea how sick of prowess I already am and now it's going to get even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Just to bring this back around:Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
Chain of Smog breaks the entire Magecraft mechanic.
I have no clue what's in this set, but I have to imagine there's a 1 or 2 drop creature (or artifact) that can spellcraft and kill an opponent (Mill for 1. Life loss for 1. etc).
How good does it become of there's a 1 drop or 2 drop black/artifact enabler for Chain of Smog?
It depends how playable they are on their own, because this combo makes you discard your hand and go all in, it would be helpful if your deck was functionally before you went ll in, otherwise you're just a different (worse?) Storm deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
https://i.imgur.com/Pvs8IFi.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
I hope you speculators all lose your fucking shirts.
Probably T0, as both things mentioned could easily go onto 1 drops, knowing Wizards. They don't for test for Eternal or Commander. Let's say there's a "Magecraft - Opponent loses 1 life" creature for :b:.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
T1 Swamp, Dark Ritual, 1-drop, Smog, win. That's Channel/Fireball tier.
It could be as easy as a new swiftspearQuote:
Originally Posted by Barook
3 mana Chandra had a zero that is in fact a plus ability. Why they made it a [0] when it's clearly a [+1] is anyone's guess. All they have to do is say "to each other red pw..."Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Unlike tendrils of agony, chain of smog is still an easier to cast wrench mind, which is modern playable.
Having 1 of your combo pieces be reasonably good protection/disruption is insane.
Pretty sure you can't use Chain of Smog offensively to protect the combo, since the opponent will either discard two other cards and break up the combo or understand that you need to assemble a combo whereas they just need any threat and copy it to destroy your hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
Is probably a border case, but you can use it offensively if you have sided in Leyline of Sanctity in certain match-ups.
Ral, storm conduit was doing the same thing for 2 mana less...
Still saw no play at all....
Again, the issue is that it works with the entire mechanic, and theres likely to be a one or two drop that can kill an opponent (ping for 1 / mill for 1)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
That is probably Wizards' way to solve the Storm "problem" of it not being a creature-based engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
The Japanese ones look cool.
Time Warp art looks cool, but the art of the other ones and those frames in general look like ass.
Depending on the lessons you can run, Professor might very strong as it's a 2 mana CA/tutor card. Looting is the less good option, but it's still something.
http://mythicspoiler.com/stx/cards/w...apprentice.jpg
And there's our Chain of Smog wincon - it's even GSZable. Two cards, 4 mana.
Willowdusk might be interesting with Ballista.
Sorry about the hack-crop-jobs, I suck. Not sure if I missed any though.
I like how equally the love is spread for the different apprentices.
GU: card advantage/mana fixing
GB: combo win con and reach and lifegain
WB: um... one of your guys gets +1/+0... for this turn
LOL.
It looks like they accidentally mixed up the abilities of the WB and the WR ones, honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
http://mythicspoiler.com/stx/cards/abundantharvest.jpg
What exactly is this? A MH2 preview? :eyebrow:
Yeah, that actually is exactly what it is. So it will only be legal in Legacy/Vintage/EDH until MH's release, I think they said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
This one is actually brutal with Retrace spells - his ability feeds retrace and retrace feeds his ability. Throw in something like Raven's Crime and you've got yourself a combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Does it do that better than land tax or life from loam though? Could compliment it well at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
In land-heavy decks, it should synergize with Loam quite nicely. You also thin your deck from lands and assuming the game goes long enough, you can even stack your deck to a certain extend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
But even without retrace, this card might end up just being another one in the long list of recent UG mistakes. The amount of CA this thing can potentially create is just plain stupid, even if it's just lands. Combine it with something like Library to always hit and dig deeper and your opponents are in for a world of hurt. It even has AWESOME and GSZable.
Edit: Oh God, I just realized how stupid Magecraft is with Flusterstorm. This mechanic is completely fucked.
They haven't used the "in any order" templating in a while, have they? I feel like they switched to a random order a few years/sets ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
https://i.imgur.com/Axcy1B7.png
Which makes it even more weird. Maybe it felt too time-consuming to randomise every time, given the amount of triggers?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronco
The Flusterstorm thing really worries me. You should be able to easily get 3-5 triggers out of it - per Apprentice. Those things stack and can easily get silly really fast - especially if you run GSZ (for extra copies) that also trigger Apprentice. Uro and Brainstorm are good ways to utilize that flood of extra lands. Brainstorm can also set up the next trigger to definitely hit. Scroll Rack might also work.