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This is a moderative note as opposed to a comment on the deck itself:
emidln, if you want to update the open post with a primer-like description of matchups, card choices, and strategy, I'll go ahead and move it back to the Open Forum. It seems that you feel the deck is mostly omptimal and complete; if you can be more specific as to why you think so, it qualifies for the Open Forums. Thanks.
Yes, emphatically yes, please emphatically yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Machinus
Blue sounds nice :) The problem with original stax is you go into topdeckingmode rather fast, but MaskLib(although running 3 and 2 of those sounds kinda unstable?) takes care of that and blue would certainly solve the carddrawing issues aswell, thirst for knowledge, FoF and so on. Maybe build towards a little "faerie stompy"(sea drake, serendib) version with the original stax-disuption in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by bane_of_the_living
I highly recommend going with 4/3 and 3/4 creatures. Good luck with that!Quote:
Originally Posted by mercc
Not horribly relevant, but so does Deadguy, Wombat, Rifter, The Rock, Truffle Shuffle, some builds of Salvagers Game, a lot of Tog Builds, most anything playing Burning Wish, and lots of other jank.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
I'm sure this will probably go in your larger tournament report, but what is your matchup actually like against Goblins? I know you've done a lot to shore this build up from older builds, but has this improved the Goblins matchup by much? Seems like you beat Threshold, have great game versus Solidarity, and just need to 50/50 Goblins while not losing to everything that's not Tier 1, and you're all set. Although I'm guessing your Deadguy/Sui matchup will always be pretty bad, right? I had a lot of fun playing against this on MWS (if I remember correctly, it lost to Lands! and then proceeded to maul lots of other jank) Kudos :smile:
Caltrops seems like it would help out the goblins matchup, it stops lackey, could make piledriver a little less scary, and it should work pretty well against random critters. Two of them would make for not very happy goblins as they sit there and wait to get locked down.
I basicly have 2 issues.
1. Sometimes I don't draw a green source in time, my Sylvans stay in hand so my bridge does nothing.
2. I really don't like the 4 pyroclasms and the 2 earthquakes. By now I've encountered several occasions in which I drew multiples in my openinghand which is bad. They're also useless when Bridgelock is on the board. Maybe we can play burning wish in some of the slots?
Other things I've noticed:
-This deck is insane on the play
-Aether Vial > this deck (preboard)
-Tangle Wire is insanely good. I've won a lot of games because of this one.
I think you did a good job building this deck, it's one of the best stax lists i've seen so far.
Lands pwns me. I feel sorry if I ever accidentally beat a Lands build. Probably due to them mulliganing down to 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego_Army_Man
This is all just theory so feel free to ignore it but here's my initial thoughts on constant mists v caltrops
Constant mists
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pros
it an answer for first turn lackey
it's reusable
it prevents creatures from becoming sharpshooter activations when attacking
Cons
it costs a land to reuse, maybe not a huge deal with crucible but it's one less thing you can sac to smokestack or tap for tanglewire
it's counterable, not an issue against goblins but maybe against gro?
it doesn't do anything more if you have multiples
Caltrops
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Pros
Also can answer a first turn lackey with all the accelleration you have
no need to sac anything to reuse it, it just sits there and scares x/1 critters
more than one stops bigger critters
it's colorless
Cons
it's more useful early than late
it turns x/1 goblins into free sharpshooter activations
There's probably more on both sides but I'm at work and they actualy want me to do things once in a while. Obviously some data from people who have actually tested will be more useful but maybe this will spark some discussion anyway.
One thing I have noticed in my limited testing is that often I will get Sylvan Library on the board without Uba Mask. When that happens I tend to look at the same 2 crappy cards over and over with the Library. Is there any way to realistically put shuffling effects into the deck so the Library is more effective at digging?
No, UbaStax is a wasted effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewokslayer
I agree that -1 Taiga +1 Foothill seems too random to be of much use.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
Have you considered perhaps dropping some colorless lands for foothills?
Perhaps -2 Wasteland +2 Foothill. It doesn't seem like Wasteland is that integral to the decks core strategy.
Additional you could perhaps drop some redundant cards for other shufflers, like drop the 4th crucible and the 2nd rolling earthquake (still leaves you 5 ways to clear the board of weenies) for two other shufflers. I can't really think of any in green or red right now except for Gamble and that has the drawback of not being a very good card.
Cutting Crucible is the best move possible. In fact, I'd cut white and green too. Play mono-white with suppression field or something. I hear that there is a decent deck that already does this on these forums. They call it Angel Stax or something. Play it, it's strictly better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ewokslayer
@emidln I have one question for you. In your testing, are you able to dump your hand quick enough to make Ensnaring Bridge have value. I have tested other versions of this deck and it seems that Stax is a very mana hungry deck early in the game especially with so many 3cc and 4cc artifacts that the deck relies on?
So, uh, what the hell is up with the topic creator editing all of his posts?
I found this thread to give the decklist to a friend, and it's gone...? Looks to me like someone logged into emidln's account. Anyone know what happened here?
No fucking idea.
Lol, that is some funny shit. I don't know if this is the result of someone getting into his account, a mod like Mr. Nightmare or PR being funny, him coming to the conclusion that the deck is actually bad, or him getting fed up with criticism (I didn't read the thread but I can imagine there was plenty). But whatever that cause it is humerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDarkshineKnight
I would never do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilver
I've PMed him and temporarily Locked the thread.
He's decided the deck isn't tested enough to meet his standards right now, so won't be discussing it, but he gave me the list, so here you go. Reopened.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
The new thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by scrumdogg
Hi, what do you think about this build:
Its a UbaMask + Wildfire STAX deck
Land
4 ancient tomb
3 city or traitors
3 wasteland
4 mishra's factory
2 barbarian ring
4 Taiga
2 mountain
1 forest
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23
Mana
4 mox diamond
4 talisman of impluse
3 worn powerstone
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11
Anti-Creature
4 Wildfire
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4
Utility
2 sylvan library
3 uba mask
3 crusible or worlds
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10
Lock
4 Trinishphere
4 Smokestack
3 Tanglewire
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11
Creatures
3 covetous dragon
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3
SB
4 chalice of the void
4 pyroclasm
3 tormods crypt
4 ??
I just wanted to hear your comments about it, its a wildfire stax which was built buy Machinus, I modified it abit by boosting the mana accelerants so you could maximize wildfire and uba mask and put them to your advantage.
Once you resolve a Wildfire and uba mask in play with all your mana accelerants im sure you could out setup/restart your opponents deck due to your mana accelerants.
Necro this thread a bit?
Ive been playing Wildfire Stax a bit lately and I think Sylvian Lib is exactly the card it needs to stop going into such a shitty late game. I would only play 3 Wildfire though. Drawing 2 in your opening hand is so gay.
@emidln
Are you playing any creatures for win conditions still? Have you tried Arc-Slogger? He rfg's the top 10 cards so you can keep things selective with library even.
I don't play any creatures as win conditions. All of my cards are multi-functional and never dead. Creatures are largely dead most of the game in addition to hosing my philosophy of creating card advantage through card choices. All of my card choices allow me to trade many of my opponents' cards for 1 or less of my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by bane_of_the_living
My win conditions right now are like this:
Concession
Mishra's Factory (3)
Barbarian Ring (2)
Rolling Earthquake (2)
Burning Wish + Rolling Earthquake (2)
Goblin Welder (3 post-board)
Razormane Masticore (4 post-board)
I have never felt like I have needed more, and Welder and Razorcore actually aren't meant to be win conditions. Rolling Earthquake is also more often a "draw condition" than a win condition. It functions much like Dragon + Reanimate enchantment + no target works in dragon to draw then game when I can't win conventionally.
Honestly, B.Ring + Factory account for perhaps 40% of my kills. The rest are through concession.
@emidln
I see you have added Razormane Masticore to your list. I have been playing 2 maindeck Razormane Masticores since GP Philly. I saw your list on Star City. What are you using as your current sideboard?
The one in my primer on Salvation lacks the Razorcores, but the list that I'm testing that I hope helps the Goblins matchup (too early to tell for sure) is this:
1 Pyroclasm
1 Boiling Seas
1 Life from the Loam
4 Razormane Masticore
3 Goblin Welder
3 Boil
2 Pithing Needle
I'm not entirely sure if the fat dudes plan is going to be the way vs Goblins over say, more Pyroclasms, Rolling Earthquakes and 1-2 Constant Mists, but it seems at least as good right now. I don't think it really hurts any matchups either, as you can always board out Uba Masks, leave in Libraries, and bring in Razormane Masticore + Welders against control to combo with Life from the Loam.
For my board, keep in mind that I have 2x Burning Wish, 2x Rolling Earthquake, and 2x Pithing Needle main.
Have you tried Silent Arbiter against Goblins? It's 1 cheaper, same toughness. It's not as powerful and it doesn't actually get rid of the goblins, but it can lock them down more easily and you don't need to discard to keep it out.