I'd claim that both Delver of Secrets and Deathrite Shaman are more ridiculous than True Name Nemesis. TNN may end up being very good, but it won't see the level of play Delver and Deathrite see in the format.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESG
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I'd claim that both Delver of Secrets and Deathrite Shaman are more ridiculous than True Name Nemesis. TNN may end up being very good, but it won't see the level of play Delver and Deathrite see in the format.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESG
I think I'd give Deathrite Shaman that title, honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESG
Deathrite will probably continue to see more play than True-Name Nemesis, but the latter is a much scarier card to me. I'd agree with ESG that it's the most ridiculous creature printed in a while... although Emrakul and Griselbrand would take the title.
I think it's the most ridiculous fair creature, which is scarier, if that makes sense? More accessible to a variety of decks meaning you'll be dealing with the ridiculousness of it more often. I mean, when we're debating if its power level is Snapcaster or Tarmo, how bad can it be?
I don't really think True-Name Nemesis is a broken card... only a frustrating and unfun card. Most of the time it is situationally worse than other cards in that slot, however the awkward part is that it gives fair Blue decks something that they didn't previously have or need: a "do I gotcha?" card against other fair decks. Let's look at that again... True-Name Nemesis is a card to be used by fair decks to hose fair decks. To me this is the exact opposite of what anyone wants.
Really, they should be focused on giving Black and Red better access to good fair cards (creatures and anti-combo cards in particular), not ways to make fair decks less interactive with each other. Deathrite is a great example of a very powerful creature that increases interaction and decision trees rather than decreases it. True-Name Nemesis isn't busted, it is just the complete wrong direction.
Yeah, I should have specified that I meant creatures that would normally be cast rather than cheated into play.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordofthepit
Okay then - DRS and TNN are the most ridiculous cheap creatures printed since Tarmo. Delver is 'just a beater'.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordofthepit
All I have to say is Jund doesn't give two shits about TNN post-board, Engineered Plague is a brutal answer to it. The card is definitely good, but I don't know whether or not it's deck defining at this point.
Looks like 7 of the top 16 at Dallas were TNN decks; Stoneblade is in first place with 3 main and 1 in the side and Merfolk, in 6th, is running two.
I'm actually more concerned that Elves is the only nonblue deck in the entire Top 16. I'm not calling for a Brainstorm ban, but they should start printing symmetrical, maindeckable hate that doesn't cost 4 mana and screws Brainstorm users over. 13 Brainstorm decks out of 16 is way too many.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyracian
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Why not? Of a the ideas kicking around, some non blue draw hate would been useful. Was not the last thing printed not Blue and black? I forget the creatures name but I disliked that it was blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasim0ff
A nice 2 or 3 drop with a drawback would not do to badly in the current meta. Maybe something like
"~ Deals 2 damage to target player for each card drawn after the first each turn and deals 2 damage to itself."
1/3
One Brainstorm would kill it, but you would have to think about if it is worth it before you pull the trigger on your own spell.
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I see this said over and over, but to date have not seen Fish blink when Plague lands. Plague may be one answer, but alone it's not going to save you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
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Why would it need a drawback? What we actually need are more cards in the league of Notion Thief, except cheap enough to be Legacy-playable. Think Thalia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
I would say that it needs to be worded differently to prevent abuse in some kind of card draw combo to kill your opponent.
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Whenever a spell or ability causes a player to draw a card, ~ deals 2 damage to that spell's or ability's controller.
Because the core of the ability belongs to Blue. If you want to do something that belongs to another colour you have to have one of two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
1) A draw back or
2) Blue in the CMC.
If you do not have either it's unlikely to see print.
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OH, like chains of mephistopheles?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Yea, chains is a thing, but when was the last time something like that was printed? Last card that had anything close to it was Black and Blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasim0ff
Not that I would be against seeing something like chains printed again. But I would like to see it in a colour that's not U/B. They are both already the strongest colours, we need some love in R and G. White I think is just fine with its wave of lovely Taxing abilities.
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Just like protection belongs to white, so TNN got a drawback?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Protection from Colours is whites thing. Protection from other things is Blues. TNN fits into the colour assigned to it, even if it feels like it should not.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
With protection Wizards has always played fast and lose with their own rules anyway. Take Piledriver for exam.
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I think protection from enemy colors has always been a thing available throughout the color pie - White Knight, Black Knight, Whirling Dervish, Wildfire Emissary, Sea Sprite all date back to early years of magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Blue's been the best since forever, so it makes sense that it could just extend beyond enemy colors to just one's enemy - target Opponent.