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Massacre performs the same function against those creatures and is free to play under that same condition. Generally you would want to play Badlands or Underground sea naturally to take advantage of it. I guess it depends on how badly the white weenies effect your metagame.
Massacre doesn't kill Gaddock Teeg though.
I think Jamie Parke's list (U/B) was very interesting with no LED and no Infernal Tutors. He managed just to lose 3 matches through the 2 days of the Grand Prix. I think maybe consistency is better than overral speed of the deck for future tournaments.
What do you guys think?
Where can i find this list? This is how i been boarding recently vs counterbalance based decks. Im boarding in 4 pact of negations, 1 Krosan grip, 4 Dark confidant and taking out 4 led, 4 infernal tutor, and 1 ponder. If the list is solid it may just be better since most of my meta is counterbalance based decks
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Originally Posted by e_hawk77
ANT
Jamie Parke
Grand Prix-Chicago
4 dark ritual
4 cabal ritual
2 tendrils of agony
4 brainstorm
4 ponder
4 duress
3 pact of negation
1 wipe away
4 lotus petal
2 ad nauseam
4 mystical tutor
1 ill-gotten gains
4 chrome mox
1 chain of vapor
1 sensei’s divining top
4 polluted delta
4 flooded strand
4 underground sea
3 island
2 swamp
Sideboard
4 dark confidant
2 annul
4 leyline of the void
1 rebuild
1 wipe away
2 hydroblast
1 pact of negation
I've been extremely unimpressed by Dark Confidant in Legacy storm combo. Not only does he not solve the problem that is Counterbalance but blue based control is also often stuck with removal in its maindeck in games 2/3 anyway (Didn't emidln sum this up somewhere?).
I fail to see how removing LED improves consistency. Chrome Mox is still terrible acceleration at anytime prior to casting Ad Nauseam and Cabal Ritual is still hit by Spell Snare and sucks unless you have threshold. I prefer not to make my opponent's Dazes and Cursecatchers relevant.
The only time I had moderate success with Pact of Negation was when I had a large number of answers to Counterbalance too. Even then the card was questionable and often cut down to 1-2 copies, at best. Hard counters were never a problem, Counterbalance was/is, and Pact clearly does not solve that problem.
Without Infernal Tutors, how do you plan on reaching a sufficient storm count? Totally relying on Ad Nauseam seems like a very poor plan against blue based aggro/control. I suppose setting up double Tendrils is possible, or baiting the opponent into a counter-war with Pacts, but again, neither of these address Counterbalance very well.
If you're going to try the "all-in" approach, I suggest sticking to something that resembles BC's list or a TES varient. Try to knife-out hard counters and/or Counterbalance with discard/chant effects and quickly resolve Ad Nauseam -- win before the blue control player has time to cantrip/draw into multiple pieces of disruption.
apparently 4 spell snares in the board is whats up consider all the hate for this deck comes in terms of 2 drop:
thorn of amethyst
gaddock teeg
ethersworn canonist
counterbalance
null rod (lol)
The deck has amazing protection to get ad nauseum to resolve and then you just win. I can't find too many faults with the list as its probably the best list I've seen when you have to deal with blue decks and counterbalances all day.
Maybe the LED's and Infernal Tutors are "win-more" cards that don't need to be played in ANT. It's hard to protect Ad Nauseum with counters when you have to discard your hand to LED.
LED is amazing against decks that don't run blue, anything else I rather not see them in my hand. It's also hard to use LED against blue when your not running white for chant main deck.
It's not an unrealistic approach to the Balance/Top match up, I use to board out 4 Infernal Tutor and 4 Lion's Eye Diamond for 4 Pyro and Red Elemental Blasts in TES with mixed results. Personally, I came to the conclusion it was simply better to SB in Empty the Warrens and Vexing Shusher, but considering both of those cards suck in ANT the 8 Blast plan seems pretty reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickrit2000
Hell, even MDing 8 Blasts seems reasonable if Ad Nauseam is enough to push the deck past Goblins. Modeling the deck in the vein of a Combo-Control deck where the control comes from the red blasts vs Standstill/Threshold and the combo invalidates the aggro match up is definitely worth testing IMO.
I'm Glad ANT got moved up to the DtB fourms.
Anyhow, I took 49th at the GP with Ad Storm, a total record of 11-4. here is the list I used....
AnT:
4 Dark ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamnd
3 Infernal Tutor
1 Ill Gotten Gains
1 Tendrils of Agony
4 Orim's Chant
4 Duress
1 Rushing River
3 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Mystical Tutor
4 Louts Petal
3 Chrome Mox
2 Ad Nausium
3 Underground Sea
1 Tundra
1 Scrubland
4 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
1 Island
1 Swamp
SB:
1 Infernal tutor
1 Ill Gotten Gains
2 Pact of Negation
2 Slaughter Pact
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Mana Short
3 Krosan Grip
1 Tropical Island
1 Wipe Away
1 Angel's Grace
1 Hurkul's recall
I was originally going to run the Dark confidant package, but I have no Confidants, however, after the GP, I feel that Confidant is not worth it. Also, the Wipe away should become a Tendrils of Agony.
Rounds and wins/losses:
1: Landstill (Bad) W 2-0 (Chain of Vapors helped providing this win)
2: Bwg Aggro control (Brian Kowal's decklist) L 0-2 Awful matchup, too much discard!
3: Bad GW: W: 2-0
4: Aggro Loam: W 2-1 (He had 3 chalices game 2)
5: Aggro Loam: W 2-0
6: An Aggro Deck (I honestly forgot, no islands, though!) W 2-0
7: Zoo: L 1-2, I could have mini comboed, but I would of -loved- the second tendrils in this match-up. That would have won it for me as well.
8: (Red based) Mirror: Win 2-1
9: Wub Weenie (Dick of a player), W 2-0, and glad to knock this guy out of contention.
Day 2:
10: Zoo: Win 2-0
11: Mirror w/ White: Win 2-0
12: (VS Tommy Kolowith) Loss 0-2. I could have won game 2, due to Orim's Chant and PoN superiority, but I played into one of his two orim's chants, when I had plenty of mana after an Ad Nausium to duress him, forcing him to play the Chant In response, then I would have had double chant double LED Infernal Tutor and 2 other cards, with the white mana to play Chant if need be next turn. Bad play mistake.
13: Goblins: Win 2-1
14: Team America: (eek!) Lose 0-2. I could have won both games I would have ever Duressed the stifle instead of Force of Will. The deck is winnable, I just should have paid more attention.
15: Dreadstill: Win 2-0 I win game 1 because he forgets to put two cards back with brainstorm and proceeds to shuffle library and some other stuff. Game 2 he mulls to six and I just own him.
Notes on playing the deck: The Sideboard is nearly perfect, And I had to fill in four slots. I love the siding in of the Trop and 3 Krosan Grip against half the field. The fact that a lot of decks were running Pyrostatic pillar and Crypts against me made it really worth it. I think that the main deck is -perfect-. Let me reiterate this point. The main deck is perfect, don't screw it up. You have to sideboard intelligently as well, understand that VS non-blue, you really change the deck to play much more like Iggy Pop, I usually sided out one Ad Nausium and a ponder to bring in the Infernal Tutor and Ill gotten Gains. If I could change anything, it would be perhaps the Mana Short and wipe away for +1 Tendrils and +1 Pact of Negation.
Edit: Note on the main deck being perfect. The Rushing river can become a Wipe away, I just hate losing to Stax and Dragon stompy.
Double Edit: My first major tournament in a year and a half.
Triple Edit: Gah, My SB is off!
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=24190
another LEDless version placing first in a 70 person tournament.
Looks like he relied heavily on AN with Angels Grace out of the board.
The City of Traitors seem odd, they can only be used to cast Ad Nauseam/Tendrils/Top/pay for PoN (I suppose). It's not the first list I've seen running them though. Has anyone here actually tested City of Traitors? I guess it is kinda nice to be able to play Top and spin it off the same land.
I posted it on #756.
Same League on febrary tournament won the same deck, ANT; LEDless and with 2 City of traitors from the same team
Last night I took ANT to my local tournament and made it to the top 4 split out of 22 people. The list is unchanged since last time except a few tweaks to the SB:
4x LED
4x Dark Ritual
4x Lotus Petal
4x Duress
4x Mystical Tutor
4x Brainstorm
3x Infernal Tutor
3x Ponder
3x Orim's Chant
3x Cabal Ritual
3x Chrome Mox
2x Ad Nauseam
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x IGG
1x Wipe Away
1x Krosan Grip
4x Flooded Strand
4x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
1x Island
1x Underground Sea
1x Bayou
1x Tropical Island
1x Tundra
1x Scrubland
Sideboard
4x Serenity
3x Xantid Swarm
2x Slaughter Pact
2x Krosan Grip
1x Plains
1x Virtue's Ruin
1x Tempest of Light
1x Brain Freeze
Short tournament report:
round 1 - R/G/w Zoo
g1: I drop down to 15 life and combo off on turn 2, revealed a fucking Ad Nauseam but LED, LED, Ritual, Petal, IT get it done!
g2: Basically the same except I was at 18 life. Slaughter Pact kills Teeg and then rifle though literally 25 cards and Mystical for Tendrils and Brainstorm into it!
round 2 - 8 Post (fucking cool as hell deck!!!!)
g1: Easily combo off on turn 3 with 19 life!
g2: Mull to 6 and keep a hand of land, Ponder, Brainstorm, double Ritual, Petal. Ponder and Brainstorm leave me stranded and I am in topdeck mode!!! The deck just broke down and all I could draw was fucking lands and Petals and Rituals!!! I get in a Spellburst lock and lose on turn 15 :( Nothing I could do :(
g3: Easily win on turn 5 after a mull to 6 and slow setup, playing around Spellburst as he played a shock land on turn 1 untapped without anything else! I Chant him and AdN into the win!
round 3 - Counterbalance Thresh garbage with Shackles (kabal)
g1: It is just sad times. I Mystical into Krosan Grip early on and just can't draw my third land. He lands CB on turn 3 and Top turn 4 and the deck just isn't being nice to me :( I actually got to a point where I could Chant and Duress, IGG, leave a shit ton of mana floating and hope to Brainstorm and Ponder into something relevant, but I knew he was floating a 3 drop on top and after he dropped a second CB there was nothing I could do, I just threw the Grip away to confirm my suspicions about the top card of his deck and went to the next game.
g2: Just more sad times. Can't believe the deck was this unkind to me. I keep my opening 7 which had Swarm, land, land, Brainstorm, Ritual, LED, and something else. A solid hand. Again he gets double CB into play .... and I can't draw into fucking anything besides more ritual effects.
round 4 - R/G/w Zoo (Loxodon Baileyarch)
g1: I'm already pissed I have to play another one of my buddies, and even more pissed he is playing a deck I really like! I joke about just comboing off on turn 1 and mull to 6 on the draw and see: land, Mystical Tutor, Dark Ritual, Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Ad Nauseam!!!! Halfway through the AdN he scoops em up as he saw it was over.
g2: Damnit, it happens again!!! The deck leaves me stalled on mana!!! I have a beautiful turn 3 IGG loop in my hand and watch Bailey drop Null Rod!!!! I EOT Mystical for Wipe Away and then Brainstorm during my turn to try and find a third land. Next turn I Ponder and shuffle then Brainstorm again!!! I looked at a total of 12 cards off the top of my library and never hit my 3rd land .... it happens but it always fucking sucks!
g3: Opening hand: Dark Ritual, Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Ad Nauseam, land, Brainstorm ..... KEEP. I win on turn 1 again and just to kind of rub it in I Mystical for IGG and Brainstorm into it then Infernal, for Infernal, for the third Infernal and finally fetch Tendrils with storm at around 18ish! Win is a win but I still feel bad since he got the worst matchup (I was one of 2 combo decks out of 22 people) he could possibly have gotten.
Top 8
round 5 - U/G/b Survival with Daze and FoW
g1: Duress takes Force on turn 1 and I easily setup for the kill on turn 4 and AdN into the win!
g2: He plays a turn 1 Overgrown Tomb and I smile since I stare at the Swarm in my hand and know it can't be Dazed! I drop Swarm on turn 1 and he laughs (he and I talked about this card a while ago in random decks as protection from counters). It resolves and I begin to setup for the win. Duress on turn 2 takes Deed (whew) and I Ponder into garbage. Then I Brainstorm into garbage!!!!! We are both in topdeck mode and his hand is full of counters and mine is: Cabal, Dark, Dark, IGG, LED. I drew a shit ton of lands in a row. I draw into Tendrils of Agony and attack with Swarm, play LED, Cabal, Dark, Dark, and Tendrils for 10 with 4 black floating. Cast IGG and blow up LED for 3 black, bring back Tendrils, LED, Ritual, and Tendrils for the win! After the game was over he showed me his hand: Fow, Fow, Daze, Daze, Daze!!!! Go Swarm!!!!!!
I am still just loving this list. I still don't really like Ad Nauseam since it kind of takes storm combo from the realm of serious playskill and turn it into something that feels like Belcher. What I mean by this is that anyone can count to 7 and play Belcher (look at your opening hand and ask "can I win"?), same with Ad Nauseam, anyone can draw 1/4 of their fucking deck and play 10 spells to win the game. I am not saying this deck is easy to play correctly because it isn't, but it just doesn't feel like true storm combo. I love playing TES so much more (I win VIA AdN when playing TES maytbe 1/5-6 times) but why would I play TES when this list is 100 times more consistent, mulligans so much better, doesn't lose to multiple Wastelands, fairly immune to hand destruction, and has maindeck and SB answers for CB! Being a combo player I like challenging and complex plays (probably why I like playing the blue match since I have to think critically about nearly everything) but playing ritual, ritual, spell, draw half deck, win ... feels like I am cheating storm combo. But, either way, the deck is just so fucking good it is hard to find a reason to not keep playing it! The only matchup you really don't want is Stax but still have multiple answers in the SB!!!
Something else I want to address, why is everyone going nuts over the lists without LED and without IT???? Against burn I make a conscious effort to mull and setup for the IGG loop. I have been bolted, bolted, and Fireblasted at 10 life (on turn 2) while playing SI. Choosing to rely solely on AdN for the win seems terrible. If you get off to a somewhat slow start and get a decent-bad AdN at 14ish life it will be some sad times! Even with double Tendrils. Play a bunch of shit, Tendrils for 16, then AdN again next turn and try it again. But I really just don't like the idea of basing the deck around 1 card. Thats why I love IT, allows alternate wins with little life!
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Originally Posted by Pulp_Fiction
The list is a lot better without LED if your expecting to run into blue decks all day long. Your matchup against aggro is very good anyways, why waste a slot making that matchup better when you should focus on how to beat the blue decks better.
Relying on An Naueum to win isn't a bad idea when you have mutliple effects to search for the card and protect it. You cast An Nauseum and you win the game, its that simple.
Play test both versions and you will see what I'm talking about.
Think hatred.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunshine
Swamp, Traitors, ritual - Ad Nauseum
With that quote, when is it EVER good to play with LED?Quote:
Originally Posted by nickrit2000
And these new spanish lists with city of traitors and no LED, is mox diamond necessary post-nauseum? Cause i dont think its good before it with only 14 land.
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Originally Posted by mercc
I just realized, in the current metagame I don't know why people would play LED in combo with all the blue decks running around. If you really want to play LED then you have to splash a third color to add chant b/c without it you can't reliably go off against control decks.
Think about this, what matchups does LED improve? What matchups do you want to improve?
The answers, LED helps with the aggro decks (non-blue). The matchups you want to improve are against the blue decks. Why not give up a little in your non-blue matchups to improve your worse matchup.
The goal to winning a major tournament is the ability to consistency beating blue decks and thats why Parke's version has been the best one I've seen so far that incorporates this strategy.
LED also make cantrips/Top/Mystical/ID/IGG better. (Doomsday goes without saying).
I'm not arguing against LED or for LED here, just saying that LED gives a deck more than just speed.
I also enjoy the relative ease with which ID/LED gets you Tendrils post-Nauseam (rather than needing UU which you can't produce with Rituals and Mystical as well as a cantrip - you need 2UUBB to win via Mystical/cantrip->Tendrils, as opposed to 2B with ID/LED->Tendrils).
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Originally Posted by nickrit2000
Lol, Dark ritual doesn't improve a matchup either.
They just make the deck.
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Originally Posted by kroelai
Dark Ritual doesn't make you discard your hand, that is the key point.
The main argurement against LED is that you have to discard your hand in order to use it which gives you no protection.
Thats why I was saying you really have to run white for chant b/c duress/thoughtseize doesn't cut it a lot of times.
I don't see the point. So? It's also not an artifact. It doesn't cost 0. It doesn't necessarily create hellbent. Doesn't mean it's bad to run LED.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickrit2000
Chant, Duress and Thoughtseize work fine with LED. The only thing that doesn't work, that is not horrible to play is Pact. Which is worse than playing with LED and other protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickrit2000
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickrit2000
So? We have dual lands and fetch lands in the format.
Does this thread involve Ad Nauseum decks with red in it?
For Burning wish and rite of flame and good SB-cards like pyroblast and shattering spree.
Has anyone considered running 4 divining tops and 1 or more locket of yesterdays? With 1 top in the graveyard and locket + 2 tops in play, you get infinite storm count. Divining tops wouldn't be bad in the deck anyway, would they?
-How will you get 1 Top in the GY? The only answer I see is LED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fistandantilus
-Locket is a really bad card you practically can't tutor for.
-Infinite storm is useless, if you can create 9.
-You want to play a 6 card combo? With 1 piece you can tutor for and 3 copies of the same card?
Top itself isn't bad in the deck. Though I think it's not the best option.
A substitute for locket would be helm of awakening. Since the deck plans to go off early, it probably doesn't help your opponent too much. Granted, it's a bad card too, and costs 1 more than locket, but you wouldn't need to get the top in the graveyard that way. Helm also makes your cabal rituals good.Quote:
Originally Posted by matelml
Have people been reaching 9 storm with ease?
The combo would be supplementary to what's already in the deck. Since tops are not bad anyway, you're really only needing to make room for the helm/locket. I concede that if you really, really don't want tops in your deck anyway, that this isn't a good idea.
Hybrid lists which also run Doomsday have a Helm of Awakening and Grapeshot/Brain Freeze in the SB. A Doomsday utilizing these cards generates infinite storm for decks that gain life (even gaining just 10 life is already tough for Storm to reach), and it also circumvents hate such as Meddling Mage, Gaddock Teeg, Ethersworn Canonist, etc.
Is empty the warrens a good card vs. counterbalancedecks? Post-board
Can somebody explain me the "Doomsday Combo"?
@ mercc
Assuming you are playing a more control-oriented approach, using Red for blasts, then yes.Quote:
Is empty the warrens a good card vs. counterbalancedecks? Post-board
EtW lets you win small, often with a smaller number of spell/cards than would have been required for Tendrils. Going for EtW can be an alternate gameplan for when Tendrils would have worked but failed, letting you spend your hard earned Storm through some outlet. EtW requires fewer resources to become functional, and thus more resources can be devoted to soaking up or answering control cards from your opponent.
Sometimes you just have to win small against heavy control (like CB).
peace,
4eak
It's just a mass tutor that works as a storm engine. You generally won't pass the turn so you build a stack something like:Quote:
Originally Posted by linux-ll-
Meditate/Brainstorm
Accel
Accel
Random Card
Win Condition
and you're simply looking to get a free 4-6 storm using SDT/Brainstorm to draw into the pile. That it doesn't give your opponent back force of will or really care about your life total (you need 2 life to go off with Doomsday which is a lot more forgiving than Ad Nauseam in some matchups) is a nice bonus. If you search the boards for Doomsday piles I'm sure you'll come up with some posts of mine or others explaining how to play them.
The specific sensei, sensei pile we use is usually something like this:
Meditate
Helm of Awakening
Sensei's Divining Top
Lion's Eye Diamond
Grapeshot
For the record, I win the vast majority of my games with Tendrils.
http://wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Events....pchi09/welcome
Look at "Quarterfinals: Tommy Kolowith vs. Andy Probasco"
Slaughter :(
what do you do?
EtW?
Grips?
Shusher?
First turn discard?
Well, Probasco landed Counterbalance both games, Turn 3 (?) first game and Turn 2 on the second. Grips would have helped him more than Shushers.
On the first game, I would have Mystical'd for Wipe Away in my build and waited for a protection spell to go off, probably with IGG or Doomsday.
My experience against Probasco in the trial that weekend:Quote:
Originally Posted by kicks_422
I'm on the play and I lead with Duress. I think I take a Brainstorm effect noting his Force of Will (I have a second Duress). I Duress him again turn 2 for the Force knowing I can go off with Chant next turn. He draws and drops Counterbalance and I never draw the third land for the Wipe Away in my hand (I was playing 16 main). I was playing the ANT/Doomsday hybrid with Wipe Away and he simply drew well.
The bottom line is that even in a build that is geared to dealing with CB, their good draws are usually going to beat your good draws. Shusher doesn't help much because (1) they don't tend to take out all of their removal and (2) they board in BEB/Threads for expensive/worthless stuff like Sower anyway because it still pitches to Force and might randomly do something good (like nuke a Shusher).
But our good draws lets us win turn 1 or 2, maybe 3.
So, maybe more consistent speed?
And we dont have win by storming for Tendrils, but maybe just 10 EtW tokens?
But even Kolowith played Burning wish for EtW, but didn't win. hmm
Is the CB-maychup just a fold?
Concentrating on winning every other matchup instead?
Because of my experiences I can say that mostly every time when I cast Empty the Warrens I won´t win. There is to many hate against our little green friends.
I think the best plan against Counterbalance is to play 4 Korsan Grips in SB.
Alright, I took the same U/B/g/w list I posted a while ago with a slightly different SB to my local tournament again and went 3-0-2 and made it to the top 8 (out of 30ish people) and there I encountered the worst possible matchup this deck could have, Ninja Chant. This deck is no joke, almost everytime he bring it he top8s or top4s. Here are the MAINDECK HATE CARDS:
4x Daze
4x Force of Will
4x Meddling Mage
3x Stifle
4x Orim's Chant
3x Jotun Grunt (fucks up threshed Rituals and can't IGG cards played earlier)
Game 1 I mulled to 5 and lost to double Meddling Mage and Force, and game 2 I lost to Chant and double Force, so this was good times. But this got me thinking, maybe Pyroblast and Red Blasts would be better than green. More hate for CB game 1 (and Mage) and is randomly good in the mirror. And in place of KGrip just run Wipe Away. I was thinking about playing these hate cards in the main:
4x Chant
3x Pyroblast
1x Wipe Away
Then in the SB bringing the following in:
1x Pyroblast
2x REB
2x Wipe Away
Just an idea for beating heavy control decks. I will really miss Swarm but he has been sent farming quite often lately so I am losing a little faith in the card. There is something I have really been looking into testing and that is City of Solitude but it just seems to expensive and to slow .... but the Blast plan seems good. I will also miss Duress but I think having blasts against CB is an even trade off and the random aggro matchups where Duress is really good are so winnable anyway that it doesn't matter.
I was doing some light testing today and noticed that this list works extremely well (based on the Spanish and ML lists):
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Simian Spirit Guide
2 Ad Nauseam
2 Tendrils of Agony
4 Mystical Tutor
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Red Elemental Blast
4 Pyroblast
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Badlands
2 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
I went with 8x red blasts and the SSG to help avoid the daze issue. The list has been pretty consistent in initial testing and I'm running 4 LED, 2 Infernal Tutor, 1 IGG in the sb against discard decks. I've been playing 4x Shattering Spree, 3x Chain of Vapor, and 1x Wipe Away to round out the sb. I'll do some more testing with this over the weekend to see if I can find a better plan against aggro/discard and to see if I need to tweak the manabase for basics or to go heavier on a particular dual.
I run more or less the same list and it's absolutely fucking amazing vs Threshold; as much as I like Simian Spirit Guide, it's not that great, because it's a lightning bolt post-Nauseam and the 8 blasts gives you a lot of time to hit your land drops, so you may as well run 15-17 lands to take advantage of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
Since there's so much red in the list why not cut a Tendrils for a Wish?Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln