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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Penguinizer
They might not have updated prices yet. How many terravores are there on eBay?
Around 40 different auctions (just did a quick count), now several of these are for foils though.. but terravore aren't the only thing i have noticed. A few others i have noticed are spell snare and Rafiq of the Many. I don't know if this (as you said) just an updating thing or not.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
SomeRandomDude
I just noticed an odd trend the other day... SGC is cheater than ebay with a lot of things. I know if you bid ofter you will eventually get a good price.. but for example, I was looking at terravores today and they are going around $7-8 on ebay but SCG they are $5-6. I don't know this just strikes me as very odd and it is starting to worry me a little. :confused:
no.
Until new horizons showed interest in them, you could often get like 2-3 terravores for $7-$8 or so by bidding. The majority of the prices are all outdated and still high from when aggroloam used the card. They just never dropped. But the auctions always went for way way way less than the buy it nows.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Necro.
So, the blood is in the water and the sharks are in full feeding frenzy mode, Grim Monolith is up for speculation. I posted on someone's MOTL list last night for 4 he had at $5 and a Power Artifact he had for $6 and this morning I woke up to find they're $14 and $15 respectively. Not as bad as I expected, but I didn't actually expect the guy to sell them to me in the first place.
So what are people's guesses? This thing will go up to the $30 range or settle at the $10 range?
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I bought 4 Monoliths from a dealer I know here in London this morning for £6 each when I first read the news. Within an hour, he had them up to £25 each on his webiste. I reckon he hadn't seen the news and everyone made a rush on him when he hadn't put his prices up yet!
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
yankeedave
I bought 4 Monoliths from a dealer I know here in London this morning for £6 each when I first read the news. Within an hour, he had them up to £25 each on his webiste. I reckon he hadn't seen the news and everyone made a rush on him when he hadn't put his prices up yet!
With Urza's Legacy hitting MTGO Monday, I wonder how much they're going to go for on there. Maybe they'll be cheaper than LED. :wink:
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Magicinfo has it listed for $40
SCG is back up and it has mint for $20.
I really hope it settles to around $10. It's not like the deck that will use it became more consistent (kinda like what Entomb does)
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The Wizards announcements should have some interesting price ramifications.
1. Monolith has already been discussed somewhat above. I do not think it will be that good to be honest. You can still pick them up for $10 a piece if you still want them. I am sure there will be a slight surge of listings of them on ebay as well over the weekend.
2. The banning of mystical tutor just made reanimate and ANT significantly worse. The only card prices i see that will be changed by this are entomb and reanimate.
3. Most interesting to me, is all the cards no longer in extended. Tarmogoyf rotating out of extended surely lowers his price. There are a ton of extended players who will be looking to offload their goyfs. If i didnt play legacy i know i would be.
4. Next we have the cards in the new extended format. Fairies is the most obvious deck to me so an increase in BB, Mutavault, and Cryptic.
5. I think this new super standard format will keep the price of good T2 cards higher for longer once they rotate out of T2. This means knight of the reliquary is going to stay higher for longer rather than taking a slump once it rotated out of T2 which is what usually happens.
6. Lastly, Jace keeps his value for longer.
-Cheers-
PS- This also kills that value of dark depths seeing as it found no legit home in Legacy (I know about Eva Green). Also Ravnica dual lands...they now have no home.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
So extended turns into 2 years worth of standard sets. It's like a "Double" standard. Har har... Yeah that was bad.
Ravnica duals will hold price more than you think just for tabletop players alone. They love those things. I have never had a problem unloading them.
Monolith I expect to hit $30 for a bit, then go down to around $15. It should hover there and Columbus will decide it's final price for the next year or so. That's the usual deal with cards like that. It is old, it is useful, just not broken.
The one thing about Grim Monolith is MUD is back in one piece again. Now it's missing only Time Vault and that was only a kill mechanism in the deck. This makes me wonder if it can compete like it used to. It was a pretty good deck in it's day and could keep up with some powerhouses of the time. It's suited to dodge a lot of hate in the current format too. That's a large bonus not caring about grave hate, spell snares, or the ability to fight through a Maze of Ith. That old deck might have promise and if it does, expect a large hit on Monoliths. That's too old of a card to not go up to at least Grindstone range and sit.
I'm actually working on a MUD deck to see if it's worth playing again. Not sure, but there's been a few promising things printed since that deck was put on paper again.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
I'm actually working on a MUD deck to see if it's worth playing again. Not sure, but there's been a few promising things printed since that deck was put on paper again.
I've been playing Aggro MUD for a couple of weeks, even before I knew Grim Monolith was going to be unbanned, and it seems like it's actually pretty solid against the current field. I haven't had a chance to do any serious testing with Monolith yet, though, but it seems like it will add a lot of consistency to the deck. I'd expect it to settle around $20-25 unless it turns out to be a top-tier strategy, in which case expect it to hit $40 and stay there.
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Originally Posted by
majikal
I've been playing Aggro MUD for a couple of weeks, even before I knew Grim Monolith was going to be unbanned, and it seems like it's actually pretty solid against the current field. I haven't had a chance to do any serious testing with Monolith yet, though, but it seems like it will add a lot of consistency to the deck. I'd expect it to settle around $20-25 unless it turns out to be a top-tier strategy, in which case expect it to hit $40 and stay there.
I'm calling bullshit, you probably just own 10 Grim Monoliths and want to increase the hype while you can. LED isn't even 40$ and it enables 2 relatively cheap tier 1 decks (Combo and Dredge). There is no way an artifact that enables a deck that can get blown away by common sideboard cards is going to get a single piece of it up to 40$. Shattering Spree, Hurkyl's Recall, Null Rod, Fracturing Gust, are actually seen now in sideboards while things like Trygon Predator, QPM, Pernicious Deeds, Tin-Street Hooligan, and more are seen now in maindeck. If the meta ever shifts to heavy artifacts because the deck does well when unprepared for then I'm sure it will be kept in check and NEVER near 40$
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Originally Posted by
Phoenix Ignition
I'm calling bullshit, you probably just own 10 Grim Monoliths and want to increase the hype while you can. LED isn't even 40$ and it enables 2 relatively cheap tier 1 decks (Combo and Dredge). There is no way an artifact that enables a deck that can get blown away by common sideboard cards is going to get a single piece of it up to 40$. Shattering Spree, Hurkyl's Recall, Null Rod, Fracturing Gust, are actually seen now in sideboards while things like Trygon Predator, QPM, Pernicious Deeds, Tin-Street Hooligan, and more are seen now in maindeck. If the meta ever shifts to heavy artifacts because the deck does well when unprepared for then I'm sure it will be kept in check and NEVER near 40$
http://www.magiccards.info/query?q=l...v=card&s=cname
L: $39.27 M: $42.47 H: $49.99
You're right, LED isn't even $40. :really:
Let's take a look at Monolith now.
http://www.magiccards.info/query?q=G...v=card&s=cname
L: $37.45 M: $38.72 H: $39.99
You're right, it will NEVER near $40. :really:
SCG had over 20 in stock earlier this morning for $20. That was the cheapest anywhere on the internet, and they're sold out now. As I said before, they'll stay high for a while and then settle at $20-25 more than likely, but if they enable a tier-one strategy, they won't be coming back down any time soon.
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I expect Grim Monolith to settle around the same price as the rest of Urza block's power artifacts (Smokestack, Powder Keg)
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Originally Posted by
(nameless one)
I expect Grim Monolith to settle around the same price as the rest of Urza block's power artifacts (Smokestack, Powder Keg)
I don't think that's happening. Even when it was restricted, it was worth more than Powder Keg. I could see it settling at a little more than Smokestack, but on the other hand, $30 for a card that doesn't even have a deck right now seems ridiculous.
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majikal
Grats on finding a sight that has bullshit prices. Go to any ebay buy it now, it's going for ~31.00$ right now for NM. Don't pretend that the market prices listed in online stores are the real value of a card, if anyone can save 30$ by buying on ebay they will...
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You're right, it will NEVER near $40. :really:
SCG had over 20 in stock earlier this morning for $20. That was the cheapest anywhere on the internet, and they're sold out now. As I said before, they'll stay high for a while and then settle at $20-25 more than likely, but if they enable a tier-one strategy, they won't be coming back down any time soon.
Right now Grim Monolith is skyrocketing because speculators are trying to buy out the market in hopes that coming off the banned list means the card is good enough to have been on there in the first place. Grim Monolith isn't very good, and certainly isn't as good as the enabling engine that LED is. LED is ~31$ (go ahead and quote as many websites as you want, but then actually LOOK for the card on ebay...) and is necessary for combo and any good version of dredge. Grim Monolith will not stay 40$ even if it finds a place in a tier 1 deck...
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Phoenix Ignition
Grats on finding a sight that has bullshit prices. Go to any ebay buy it now, it's going for ~31.00$ right now for NM. Don't pretend that the market prices listed in online stores are the real value of a card, if anyone can save 30$ by buying on ebay they will...
Right now Grim Monolith is skyrocketing because speculators are trying to buy out the market in hopes that coming off the banned list means the card is good enough to have been on there in the first place. Grim Monolith isn't very good, and certainly isn't as good as the enabling engine that LED is. LED is ~31$ (go ahead and quote as many websites as you want, but then actually LOOK for the card on ebay...) and is necessary for combo and any good version of dredge. Grim Monolith will not stay 40$ even if it finds a place in a tier 1 deck...
You've got some weird ideas of how to determine average market value. I looked for LED on eBay and found exactly one person selling it for ~$31.00. The rest were in the high thirties all the way up to the mid-forties, with an average of around $40.
As for Grim Monoliths, there are exactly 4 BINs left, with the cheapest coming from a seller with only 2 feedback, and the other three between $30 and $32 apiece after shipping (and one of these is also from a seller with under 100 feedback), falling just short of the low outlier currently on Magiccards.info (Which is $33 now that more stores have listed the card). Not a very accurate picture of the overall market. Glancing at prices from stores all over the internet, the median price is still ~$36, much closer to $40 than you seem to want to believe.
As I said before, if the card doesn't find a home in a tier-one deck, it should settle some, but probably not lower than $20-25 dollars. But if it's the next big thing I don't think it will go down at all.
As far as having "found some site with bullshit prices", you should know better. Magiccards.info uses a constantly-updating database of prices from dozens of stores all over the internet. You get an extremely accurate picture of actual value from it.
Just because you can find some schmoe willing to sell you something for a low price does not necessarily mean that is what the average market value is.
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That's not magiccards.info's data, that's TCGPlayer's data. TCGPlayer pays magiccards.info to display it. Just to be clear. And while it's fairly accurate, only stores that pay to be on TCGPlayer are there. Not sure I would go so far as to call it "extremely accurate".
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Originally Posted by
cdr
That's not magiccards.info's data, that's TCGPlayer's data. TCGPlayer pays magiccards.info to display it. Just to be clear. And while it's fairly accurate, only stores that pay to be on TCGPlayer are there. Not sure I would go so far as to call it "extremely accurate".
Either way, it's a hell of a lot more accurate than just glancing at eBay, finding one guy with the price that you think the card should be at, and then proclaiming that you can easily find the card for that amount.
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Its weird that all of a sudden, Grim Monolith costs $30.
When Metalworker got unbanned, did it see this much in pricetag? I understand why LED is about $40-50. It was from a big set that was printed 15 years ago.
Yes, Grim Monolith was 10 years ago but it is still mind boggling why it would cost so much as $30. Here are some of the useful artifacts from that same Block:
Smokestack: $12-15
Metalworker: $10-15
Masticore: $5-7
Powder Keg: $4-6
And to some extent, some expensive EDH cards:
Urza's Incubator: $5-10
Lifeline: $5-6
Karn: $5
Phyrexian Processor: $5
Thran Dynamo: $5
Memory Jar: $5
Quicksilver Amulet: $5
Voltaic Key: $5
Is it really that good of a combo enabler? Are Wildfire and MUD decks the new deck to beat?
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Originally Posted by
(nameless one)
Its weird that all of a sudden, Grim Monolith costs $30.
When Metalworker got unbanned, did it see this much in pricetag? I understand why LED is about $40-50. It was from a big set that was printed 15 years ago.
Yes, Grim Monolith was 10 years ago but it is still mind boggling why it would cost so much as $30. Here are some of the useful artifacts from that same Block:
Smokestack: $12-15
Metalworker: $10-15
Masticore: $5-7
Powder Keg: $4-6
And to some extent, some expensive EDH cards:
Urza's Incubator: $5-10
Lifeline: $5-6
Karn: $5
Phyrexian Processor: $5
Thran Dynamo: $5
Memory Jar: $5
Quicksilver Amulet: $5
Voltaic Key: $5
Is it really that good of a combo enabler? Are Wildfire and MUD decks the new deck to beat?
Everyone appears to be going ga-ga over its interaction with Power Artifact, which has also recently disappeared from the internet.
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Well seeing as how Power artifact is in Blue and with Grim monolith you can generate infinate mana, I can see why. Now question is, where do you put the mana...
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Originally Posted by
Tanarin
Well seeing as how Power artifact is in Blue and with Grim monolith you can generate infinate mana, I can see why. Now question is, where do you put the mana...
Stroke of Genius, Masticore, Staff of Domination, make an arbitrarily large Wake Thrasher, or just dump a bunch of Eldrazi on the board? I mean it's mana, so you can build your deck in any way to abuse it.
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I decided to sell much of the stuff I had and keep only the deck I am playing for columbus and a deck for someone to borrow for columbus, mefolk and counterbalance. Well I have dredge too.
But goodbye everything else. Prices are good and with the bannings, I'm just angry so wanted to trade the cards in for a new tv and some cymbals for my drumset.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Tanarin
Well seeing as how Power artifact is in Blue and with Grim monolith you can generate infinate mana, I can see why. Now question is, where do you put the mana...
Banefire? Stroke of Genius? Doesn't really matter how you kill. Once you've got infinite mana...
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you can now cast and pay this card's ultimate ability (daze and Power Sink-proof):
http://bidwicket.com/Item/C/Collecti...of_Ulamog.JPEG
with this sideboard:
1 All is Dust
1 Emrakul
1 Kozilek
1 Ulamog
1 Pathrazer
1 It that Betrays
Coolest idea ever!
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death
Lol!!
Totally agreed!! Really cool idea.. Quite sure it won't see play, but it sounds fun!
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Originally Posted by
(nameless one)
Its weird that all of a sudden, Grim Monolith costs $30.
Is it really that good of a combo enabler? Are Wildfire and MUD decks the new deck to beat?
Well there is a sudden surge of people wanting to try to get Grim Monoliths to pull off some combo with it.
At the time when they were unrestricted they made Wildfires, Blue Bullshit, and many other decks truly broken. But that was years ago.
If it gets too out of hand, which I doubt, the answer is still Null Rod so it should never reach exorbitant prices. At least more than they are now.
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tarmogoyf going down now since the new extended was announced. down to 50 on scg and seems to be occasionally going for 45 or so on ebay.
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Good Morning
Power Artifact is has now gone officially crazy expensive. See ebay. What makes no sense to me is that a card will have some speculative value and people flock to it as if it is worth the same amount as force of will. In my opinion, there is no way that these prices can sustain. Sell them now if you have them, it doesent get any better than these prices.
Peace
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Well, I will gladly sell mine at $50 a pop. That is one card that isn't worth it. Now if they fix Transmute on the other hand.
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I mean, when Grim Monolith started going crazy you had to have seen this coming, right? Even if it is only a fringe-playable combo, Power Artifact is from Antiquities, only has one printing in the set (Unlike, say, Mishra's Factory which appears four times), and is required as a 4-of in the decks that play it. The print run for that set was pretty low to begin with, and I'm pretty sure a lot of the cards were destroyed Iron Man style, from shuffling unsleeved, or just straight up thrown in the trash by people who didn't think the game would last.
I'd be interested to know which set has the lower print run: Antiquities or P3K?
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Hard to say; Antiquities had a print run of ~15 million, and I haven't seen any definitive info on P3K. It gets trickier in that P3K was printed in multiple languages, so that could increase its print run to higher than AQ.
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I can't help but laugh every time I read this thread and someone mentions Iron Man. I destroyed soooo much it's sad. Iron Man Magic, raising prices everywhere. lol We should bring it back just to annoy the crap out of people.
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TheAardvark
Hard to say; Antiquities had a print run of ~15 million, and I haven't seen any definitive info on P3K. It gets trickier in that P3K was printed in multiple languages, so that could increase its print run to higher than AQ.
From what I've read the total run of P3K was under 10 million, which puts it well below Antiquities.
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Originally Posted by
cdr
From what I've read the total run of P3K was under 10 million, which puts it well below Antiquities.
I have heard that as well, but I have never seen anything close to confirmation that it is accurate. The AQ print run # came from D'Angelo.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
In other news, Lim-Dûl's Vault has quietly leapt in value by nearly 1000%...
Also, keep an eye on Mind Over Matter as it combos very nicely with the upcoming Temple Bell.
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Originally Posted by
majikal
In other news,
Lim-Dûl's Vault has quietly leapt in value by nearly 1000%...
Also, keep an eye on
Mind Over Matter as it combos very nicely with the upcoming Temple Bell.
Glad I bought my last Vault for €0.70, I had no idea it was raised like crazy.
I bought my 4 Mind over Matters for €1.50 as soon as Temple Bell was spoiled. Even of the combo doesn't work out in a deck (which I guess will be the case) it will point out more attention toward the card and seeing it was printed pre-mirrodin, it's value will at least double as a result. At least I'll build a Mind over Bell deck for casual play.
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Originally Posted by
majikal
In other news,
Lim-Dûl's Vault has quietly leapt in value by nearly 1000%...
Also, keep an eye on
Mind Over Matter as it combos very nicely with the upcoming Temple Bell.
I realize that Mind Over Matter can potentially win the game, but I don't see how a combo that requires an enchantment that costs :2::u::u::u::u: and an artifact that costs :3: is any better than the other two-card combos out there, especially since the cards aren't useful on there own and since there aren't redundant options you can build your deck around.
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It's one of those things like Power Artifact, just because you can do it doesn't mean it's good, but people will still try it and in some areas where they don't have a massively developed meta, it's actually good. Casual does control some prices oddly enough.
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Anything is possible and I agree with Ramanujan 100%.
Take a good, hard look at the banned list ( and or restricted list) of any format. What are the obvious cards that if unbanned or unrestricted would cause another card to boom in popularity? (keep in mind they usually ban half of something totally broken and not both in regards to 2 card ownage).
I can't see much point in trying to predict the kinds of cards they're going to print (unless it's an answer to something degenerate in type 2 which also incidentally would break something else) but these are the mental games I like.
Discussing recent prints is another thing altogether. Speaking of which:
... Aluren just got a LOT more consistent now that it has 8 cavern harpy with the printing of that new aether mage. Oh lord. Please tell me we're going to see Aluren go to $75 now. ;) ;)
/sarcasm
I swear I might as well buy a bunch of protean hulks and the like in case they unban Flash in 10 years because it's not considered fast for the format any longer. lol
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Octopusman
... Aluren just got a LOT more consistent now that it has 8 cavern harpy with the printing of that new aether mage.
Link?
