Chinese fakes

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Originally Posted by JanoschEausH

So what you are saying is: Real cards have sharper edges (letters) and on the wasteland fake the letters are printed within the dot pattern which leads to less sharp edges. Did i get you right?

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Exactly. It looks like it was printed as one picture.

Thanks for info!

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

Of all the people in here, you seam the most willing to go and buy a ton of these. So forgive my bluntness but go seek your information elsewhere. While we do talk about the cards here, we will not help you in your endever to buy and use these cards. That's not what this thread is for.

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Sure, sure. Perhaps people could just do the same that MaRo does whenever he faces a text containing "unsolicited material", and immediately "stops reading". Ok. I bought that one.

Keep going, dudes. I'm really sure these talks won't be used by counterfeiters to improve their counterfeits. Never mind. No way.

Keep up the good work.

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Originally Posted by SilverGreen

Sure, sure. Perhaps people could just do the same that MaRo does whenever he faces a text containing "unsolicited material", and immediately "stops reading". Ok. I bought that one.

Keep going, dudes. I'm really sure these talks won't be used by counterfeiters to improve their counterfeits. Never mind. No way.

Keep up the good work.

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I don't get you. First of all, the fakers do their own research, it's called quality control and it's done with every order a printhouse makes. Moreover, do you really want the community to be mute about the affair? Whom would it help?

The Chinese are now selling singles via a website. Not going to link the website here but for $150 + $3 shipping you get 55 cards. Or you can get underground seas $36.90 shipped

Fake Magic Cards in Edmonton Area. Be Wary! (reddit.com/r/magicTCG)

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Originally Posted by SirTylerGalt

Fake Magic Cards in Edmonton Area. Be Wary! (reddit.com/r/magicTCG)

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Could be a hoax - the first picture was linked in this thread a few weeks ago (note: this isn't me downplaying the fact that these are the same counterfeits mentioned previously.)

I haven't read the entire thread, but it looks like the fakes were removed both from ebay and the original printers site. I wonder if legal action took place against them. Still, there would still be a lot of fakes out there.


Also - There was an employee at SCG that stated that to people that have played magic for a little while that many of the fakes would be easy to spot and that most did not have the quality that was shared with the pictures, that those were the 'cream of the crop' so to speak.

Even the second run isn't good enough, in my opinion.

I saw some at GP Vancouver that a vender had and it was good, but not amazing. It'll fool someone new to the game, but if you've played long enough and you really FEEL the cards, it's not right. Very similar, if anyone remembers, to the fake Pokemon cards of the late 90's. Waxy.

-Matt

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Originally Posted by sdematt

Even the second run isn't good enough, in my opinion.

I saw some at GP Vancouver that a vender had and it was good, but not amazing. It'll fool someone new to the game, but if you've played long enough and you really FEEL the cards, it's not right. Very similar, if anyone remembers, to the fake Pokemon cards of the late 90's. Waxy.

-Matt

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Was the vendor selling them as real?

Of course not. I know him, and he was showing them to me.

-Matt

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

I don't get you. First of all, the fakers do their own research, it's called quality control and it's done with every order a printhouse makes. Moreover, do you really want the community to be mute about the affair? Whom would it help?

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Sorry to say that, but you understood the post in reverse. :p

http://www.starcityshop.com/

What do you guys think? People in my school magic club are pretty convinced that this is an online vendor trying to sell the fake cards. They have planeswalkers listed as creatures lol.

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Originally Posted by Dragonslayer_90

http://www.starcityshop.com/

What do you guys think? People in my school magic club are pretty convinced that this is an online vendor trying to sell the fake cards. They have planeswalkers listed as creatures lol.

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That is the site Dan is referring to in this:

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Originally Posted by Dan Turner

The Chinese are now selling singles via a website. Not going to link the website here but for $150 + $3 shipping you get 55 cards. Or you can get underground seas $36.90 shipped

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Those are 100% fakes. That site is however, quiet hilarious. I cant wait to get me some Jace creature from starcityshop.

The site is also being discussed here: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=589372


This is their disclaimer, clearly selling the chinese fakes:

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MUST READ!!! Acknowledgement of the following DISCLAIMER is required before making a purchase: StarCityShop.com and its products are by no means affiliated with Wizards of the Coast or any of its subsidiaries. Our products are NOT offered or authorized by its manufactures. We make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness, accuracy, reliability, suitability or availability with respect to the listing or the information, products, services, or related graphics contained on the listing for any purpose. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk. We will not be held responsible for any misuse or misrepresentations of our products conducted by buyers.

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When I saw the Star City Shop logo I loled.

"Four stripes? More stripes, more adidas!"

OMG I also lol'd... but this is so wrong..

I love Magic and now I'm so paranoid about this development.. What if they will be able to make even better fakes? Some of the people in this thread give stupid defenitions of horders, but the fact that I can play almost any Legacy deck doesn't make me a bad person or &%$#@! horder.. And no, I don't own 8 FoW to do so. Just play one kind of sleeves! I just love this game and play too much, always switching decks and debating forever what I should play ^^! I don't want the market to crash, but even worse is that things like BoM or the Starcity series will vanish if there is no profit for sellers etc.. I refuse to panic and sell half of my collection, but damn I HOPE THIS WILL STOP!

Well that was my 02:14 freak out :cry:

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Originally Posted by Lans89

OMG I also lol'd... but this is so wrong..

I love Magic and now I'm so paranoid about this development.. What if they will be able to make even better fakes? Some of the people in this thread give stupid defenitions of horders, but the fact that I can play almost any Legacy deck doesn't make me a bad person or &%$#@! horder.. And no, I don't own 8 FoW to do so. Just play one kind of sleeves! I just love this game and play too much, always switching decks and debating forever what I should play ^^! I don't want the market to crash, but even worse is that things like BoM or the Starcity series will vanish if there is no profit for sellers etc.. I refuse to panic and sell half of my collection, but damn I HOPE THIS WILL STOP!

Well that was my 02:14 freak out :cry:

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Anyone who says that you're doing anything wrong is silly :smile:

From That website:

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LEGACY

Demonic Tutor
Sol Ring
Vampiric Tutor

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I am obviously playing Legacy wrong. I don't have any of those cards in my deck...

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Originally Posted by thefreakaccident

I'm all for the fakes getting better. I have duals, and might lose money, but I don't really care. I just want to be able to play what I want when I want, with lots of players, and a wide variety of strategy. You don't get that by making the cards everybody needs increase in value to the point where only the rich get to join the game on a whim. Seriously, 2,000$ is easy for a family making 6-7-8 figures, it's not even a thought. But for a poor family living on the margin? Forget playing magic little jimmy, looks like your getting a job just to eat this week!

This is about the game being accessible to the poor, and i'm all for it. Fuck the Prince of Wales .

It's funny, people here are calling others here 'entitled' for wanting fair prices, saying 'well you gotta save up for this shit!', but this hypocrisy is almost royal. Fuck you! Money is depreciating in value, and the cards are increasing in value. You guys are the ones acting with a sense of entitlement.

"Oh I came first, Oh I saved up for mine."

Why don't we just turn magic into a country club with token poor kids who get to borrow extra decks from their wealthy 'friends', yeah that sounds swell. Oh yeah, and we'll make room for the lucky poor bastards who bought in early.

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I like you. I agree with everything you said. FUCK THE PRICE OF WALES!

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Originally Posted by thefreakaccident

I'm all for the fakes getting better. I have duals, and might lose money, but I don't really care. I just want to be able to play what I want when I want, with lots of players, and a wide variety of strategy. You don't get that by making the cards everybody needs increase in value to the point where only the rich get to join the game on a whim. Seriously, 2,000$ is easy for a family making 6-7-8 figures, it's not even a thought. But for a poor family living on the margin? Forget playing magic little jimmy, looks like your getting a job just to eat this week!

This is about the game being accessible to the poor, and i'm all for it. Fuck the Prince of Wales .

It's funny, people here are calling others here 'entitled' for wanting fair prices, saying 'well you gotta save up for this shit!', but this hypocrisy is almost royal. Fuck you! Money is depreciating in value, and the cards are increasing in value. You guys are the ones acting with a sense of entitlement.

"Oh I came first, Oh I saved up for mine."

Why don't we just turn magic into a country club with token poor kids who get to borrow extra decks from their wealthy 'friends', yeah that sounds swell. Oh yeah, and we'll make room for the lucky poor bastards who bought in early.

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Simply put - if you care about actually playing the game far more than collecting cards then you should support the proliferation of high-quality fakes that would increase the supply of Legacy staples.

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Originally Posted by MGB

Simply put - if you care about actually playing the game far more than collecting cards then you should support the proliferation of high-quality fakes that would increase the supply of Legacy staples.

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My friend pulled out his beta lightbing bolts the other day, that he has had for years, Lo and behold, one of them was a fake! We laughed and re sleeved it no harm no foul.

If it increases the amount of people to play the game and that can have fun, then so be it. Wizards will be forced to reprint cards and availability will go up either way.

If I could buy my wife 4 gaes cradles for 30 a piece, I would.

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Originally Posted by MGB

Simply put - if you care about actually playing the game far more than collecting cards then you should support the proliferation of high-quality fakes that would increase the supply of Legacy staples.

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I seriously Wish after such a comment, that at some point you'll pay for a real card and get a fake instead either unnoticed per personal trade or via eBay.

I'm just going to light- & Bend-test every fucking 20$ cards from now on and God forbid anyone is dumb enough trying to sell me a fake

http://www.starcityshop.com/ <==fakes

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Originally Posted by Phelix

http://www.starcityshop.com/ <==fakes

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I love the logo ... Trollolololol



I'm so glad I cashed in my Vintage Collection. No one will buy Power and shit with so many Fakes in circulation and the current eco situation

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Originally Posted by MGB

Simply put - if you care about actually playing the game far more than collecting cards then you should support the proliferation of high-quality fakes that would increase the supply of Legacy staples.

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How does the availability of high-quality fakes improve the game? Did they do some R&D in designing new cards that will make Legacy even more fun and appealing?

The only thing high-quality fakes would theoretically enable is a player to participate in a sanctioned event with counterfeit items. The ability to enjoy the game at the kitchen table or to otherwise proxy decks for testing is essentially the same. And while one might argue that this (allowing counterfeiters to play in sanction events) lowers the barrier to entry for the format, it is absolutely toxic to the game. The result of widespread counterfeits would not be to allow more players to participate in sanctioned events, but rather, the wholesale loss of sanctioned events as tournament organizers and stores move towards markets not completely flooded with counterfeits.

It's not like these fakes cost nothing. They just lower the price of staples to a reasonable level.

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Originally Posted by Erdvermampfa

It's not like these fakes cost nothing. They lower the price of staples to a reasonable level.

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Not everyone will buy them from Starcity Shop; the original factory will provide them even cheaper. Goyf for three bucks may lower the price below reasonable level. Left without support, the tournament scene may collapse.

I find it a bit ironic that (just a few posts above) lordofthepit's signature links us to "Why the demise of Legacy is greatly exaggerated" article. Legacy (and tournament Magic at all) might be in the most serious danger ever. I'm really bothered by WotC's reprint policy and I blame them for letting things go so far. On the one hand, I do understand that they don't reprint the old stuff, similarly to how the automobile industry doesn't make 19th century steam cars anymore. Or, to remain closer to our object, ho there are no new prints of original (A)D&D rules from 1970's or when: there are new rulebooks, new versions, play with them, please. And if you want to kill orcs with the old rulebooks, dig them somewhere. On the other hand, Magic is pretty different, and while one may kill orcs with the old rules without actually having the rulebooks (moreover without actually having any rulebook at all), you can't play MtG without cards. Yes, it's obvious, I know, but I don't understand why the heads of WotC missed this.

I think this whole issue is getting out of control.
We are all players/investors/collectors/plain idiots and we all love this game more than the guy next to you.
THIS is the PRIME Legacy community on the interwebs. Shit. One of the boss from SCG has an account here as well as multiple pros. This is where shit happens when Legacy is concerned.

It's my opinion at this point that if we don't want to see everything going to shit we either :
1-Do Something;
2-Do Something;
3-Do Something; or
4-All of the above.

Do what?
I don't know, but at least think of something.

Hello,

there is only one thing you could do to actually stop the fakeing trend temporaly and this is a reprint with a new security messure.
I would suggest to reprint the complete reserved list in an extra set with can be brought in a from of booster and displays maybe
also as al limited special playset edidtion for a high price with all cards included as playsets and all restricted cards as one of.

Yes this will drop the price and yes some guys will argue that that is not what they want because their cards lose value.
BUt to be honset we a not talking about some comercial papers but about magic cards and therefore our goal should be
to have a playerbase as big as possible and high prices will hinder this.
In addtion to that we will rech a point were nobody can afford the price of real cards and so everybody will play with the fake one.

As it is now i support the fake cards because I think that the price is quiet right and resonable. So again to change that
and come to a healthier comunity I think a offical reprint is necessary not to mention how much money you would make
with a reprint because everybody who want to play legeacy and vintage will buy the cards at insntant speed.

Best regards Teveshszat

"What doesn't grow, dies. And what dies grows the Tarmogoyf".

If it was a Modern Masters irony aimed at Legacy, it now seems they missed the target.

It appears Cartamundi had a leak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsrrMgotapQ

Is this how those Chinese fakers reversed engineered the process?

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Seriously, still anxiously waiting for an english report on those counterfeits. I recently bought a set of Liliana's, they look genuine but in these times I guess everyone gets a little bit paranoid :frown:

Im trying to get the LGS where I take care of the MTG stuff a small UV light.
Im gonna start testing everything.

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Originally Posted by Kayradis

Im trying to get the LGS where I take care of the MTG stuff a small UV light.
Im gonna start testing everything.

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Wasn't it confirmed this generation of cards pass the UV light test, but fail the transparency light test?

Id rather run all the test I can.
Legit ppl wont care about me asking to test their dual before selling.
People that try to make money off that scam will just leave.

Yep, I think someone confirmed that the UV test was out the window. I then ordered a loupe. My wife then looked at me like I'm a geek for the first time. Damn you counterfeiting chinamen.

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Originally Posted by Higgs

Yep, I think someone confirmed that the UV test was out the window. I then ordered a loupe. My wife then looked at me like I'm a geek for the first time. Damn you counterfeiting chinamen.

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As a former geology major, I see nothing wrong with owning a loupe. Or several.

I don't have a geology major, I just need the loupe to look at Magic cards :) Who'd have thought we'd come to this.

The StarCityShop website is down at the moment.

Hmmmmm.......
My spider senses are tingling!

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

I find it a bit ironic that (just a few posts above) lordofthepit's signature links us to "Why the demise of Legacy is greatly exaggerated" article. Legacy (and tournament Magic at all) might be in the most serious danger ever.

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I wrote that blog post almost a year ago. I still don't think Legacy is in any danger of being replaced by other formats (e.g, Modern), and the attendance trends within the past year further strengthen my belief.

I also don't think tournament Magic is in imminent danger, based on how poorly these fakes are. However, if counterfeiters were hypothetically able to make indistinguishable fakes, that would represent the biggest threat to Magic in its entire history.

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Originally Posted by Nielsie

It appears Cartamundi had a leak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsrrMgotapQ

Is this how those Chinese fakers reversed engineered the process?

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Many thanks for the video, I was curious how the cards are done, but even though I'm in polygraphy for nearly tw odecades, I somehow never knew this.

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Originally Posted by lordofthepit

I wrote that blog post almost a year ago. I still don't think Legacy is in any danger of being replaced by other formats (e.g, Modern), and the attendance trends within the past year further strengthen my belief.

I also don't think tournament Magic is in imminent danger, based on how poorly these fakes are. However, if counterfeiters were hypothetically able to make indistinguishable fakes, that would represent the biggest threat to Magic in its entire history.

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I wasn't having fun of you. Sorry if it felt like that. Really, it was just that I considered it a bit ironic that just a year after your analysis, things seem to change quite drastically. Hopefully I'm wrong.


Btw, I just took a look at the fake cards and more importantly, held them in hand. They're good in (double) sleeves and undoubtfully will pass in a tournament... until deckcheck.
They are sooo much different from the real card I don't even know where to start. But I guess that small kids or their moms may be tricked into buying them. :mad: