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Wrath of Pie: Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Elixir of Immortality, Assassin's Trophy, comment: Time for a classic
dte: Trinisphere, Thespian stage, Mana crypt, Dark depths, comment: - LL - Is this legal?
GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Shocker, Goblin Sparksmith, Fury, comment: Electric goblins - WL - Hilariously, it's just Sparksmith, not Goblin Sparksmith. It really should be though.
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s workshop, Mishra’s workshop, Trinisphere, Wurmcoil Engine, comment: Shops - LL
tirrit: saprazzan skerry, hapless researcher, shelldock isle, emrakul, the aeons torn, comment: - LL
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Dark Depths, Thespian Stage, Petrified Field, comment: field and gambit both critical - WL
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Force of Negation, Phyrexian Metamorph, Fountain of Cho, comment: Loses to LD - WW - You're right, it does lose to LD.
4w = 12 points
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tirrit: saprazzan skerry, hapless researcher, shelldock isle, emrakul, the aeons torn, comment:
dte: Trinisphere, Thespian stage, Mana crypt, Dark depths, comment:
Can't beat Trinisphere. LL
GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Shocker, Goblin Sparksmith, Fury, comment: Electric goblins
I empty my hand on my turn 2, so even on the draw I get to cast emrakul on turn 3 and win. WW
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s workshop, Mishra’s workshop, Trinisphere, Wurmcoil Engine, comment: Shops
Can't beat Trinisphere. I hoped there wouldn't be so many! LL
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Dark Depths, Thespian Stage, Petrified Field, comment: field and gambit both critical
I'm faster since I annihilate you on my turn 3. WW
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Force of Negation, Phyrexian Metamorph, Fountain of Cho, comment: Loses to LD
This is (a better version of) one of the decks I was metagaming around (as you noticed) since I thought that show and telling Ulamog or blightsteel colossus was the best thing ever and this seemed like a good answer to that. Turns out no one is playing show and tell! I can pay for chancellor, there's nothing to FoN, and I annihilate on turn 3. WW
Wrath of Pie: Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Elixir of Immortality, Assassin's Trophy, comment: Time for a classic
I win before you cast assassin's trophy on the play, but you play assassin's trophy on my land before I can win on the draw. WL
7 wins, 5 losses for 21/36 points
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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Originally Posted by
Wrath of Pie
Yes because if you make Marit Lage on your turn 2 it dies to divine gambit, otherwise they get to play field of ruin and just never tap out and you die to mana crypt. If you don't play crypt then they can tap out to make the 2/1 since you can't make Marit Lage until your next turn.
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
Quote:
Originally Posted by
tirrit
This is (a better version of) one of the decks I was metagaming around (as you noticed) since I thought that show and telling Ulamog or blightsteel colossus was the best thing ever and this seemed like a good answer to that. Turns out no one is playing show and tell! I can pay for chancellor, there's nothing to FoN, and I annihilate on turn 3. WW
Yeah Show and Tell was on my radar too. Can T1 with threat that dies to Divine Verdict. There's a slower version that beats counters, so I picked Metamorph as overkill to copy their threat & annihilate first. Then no Show and Tell! Turns out Marit Lage & 3sphere were more popular.
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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Originally Posted by
Reeplcheep
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Wrath of Pie
I know these were answered, by I wanted to add that I thought the same things. When I submitted mine, there were 4 decks for me to look over, and 3/4 of them looked illegal at first glance. Then I realized that dte loses the Depths vs Field standoff in 7 turns, that Priest just races Shocker + Sparksmith, and that Emrakul came down a turn slower than typical for Shelldock and was answered by Field and not by Gambit. I was very relieved that the decks appeared legal.
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Originally Posted by
FTW
Reeplcheep:
Mishra’s workshop,
Mishra’s workshop,
Trinisphere,
Wurmcoil Engine
You jam T1 3sphere into Channex, getting countered, then resolve T2 Wurmcoil. I'll have T5 Wurmcoil copy.
OTP you have 2 attacks before I make Wurmcoil. Then they trade and eventually Chancellor flies over to win.
OTD you have 3 attacks, I'll be at 2, and the Phyrexian mana would kill me so I'm 1 life short.
WL 3-3
I did this math last night and was pretty sure about it, but I'm glad to see it confirmed. I love that the timing of paying 2 life on turn 5 is the exact amount that makes this matchup go 3-3.
I suppose I'll wait a day or two in case results change, but it seems that Chancellor of the Annex + Force of Negation will be in the ceiling deck next week, which is absolutely wild to me.
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GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round 1: Protection from Goblins
dte: Trinisphere, Thespian stage, Mana crypt, Dark depths, comment:
Sphere :( 0-6
GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Shocker, Goblin Sparksmith, Fury, comment: Electric goblins
That's me, with a goblin!
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s workshop, Mishra’s workshop, Trinisphere, Wurmcoil Engine, comment: Shops
Sphere :( 0-6
tirrit: saprazzan skerry, hapless researcher, shelldock isle, emrakul, the aeons torn, comment:
unshockable :( 0-6
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Dark Depths, Thespian Stage, Petrified Field, comment: field and gambit both critical
Shocker smash, then 20/20 3-3
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Force of Negation, Phyrexian Metamorph, Fountain of Cho, comment: Loses to LD
Shocker smash! 6-0
Wrath of Pie: Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Elixir of Immortality, Assassin's Trophy, comment: Time for a classic
Shocker smash, then Trophy 3-3
12 goblin points!
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Duh, needle enters tapped so smashmaster can’t get under sphere. Ithat WW puts me at 24/36
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dte: Trinisphere, Thespian stage, Mana crypt, Dark depths, comment:
Me, recycling.
GoblinSmashmaster: Sandstone Needle, Shocker, Goblin Sparksmith, Fury, comment: Electric goblins
6-0, trini
6
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s workshop, Mishra’s workshop, Trinisphere, Wurmcoil Engine, comment: Shops
3-3, first to trini
9
tirrit: saprazzan skerry, hapless researcher, shelldock isle, emrakul, the aeons torn, comment:
6-0, trini makes resercher hapless
15
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Dark Depths, Thespian Stage, Petrified Field, comment: field and gambit both critical
3-3, speed & risks with crypt.
18
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Force of Negation, Phyrexian Metamorph, Fountain of Cho, comment: Loses to LD
0-6, I was prepared for channex but not for FoN
18
Wrath of Pie: Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Elixir of Immortality, Assassin's Trophy, comment: Time for a classic
6-0, faster thsn classic
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It looks like the results are in (thanks to the score sheet now being editable), so I can say
The next ceiling deck is: Chancellor of the Annex, Force of Negation, Phyrexian Metamorph, Fountain of Cho.
The same win-the-game cards and LD-lands are banned, as well as the cards in the ceiling deck. The lists will be published on Tuesday the 23 at 11am EDT, as usual.
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Checking now. Will message in a few minutes if I can't see how something is legal.
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
Ceiling Season Bonus Round 2
dte: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black lotus, Bladecoil Serpent, comment:
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Timetwister, Empty the Warrens, comment: Goblin smash!
Reeplcheep: Foil, Volcanic Island, Blazing Rootwalla, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Mad for Foils
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Chancellor of the Forge, Black Lotus, Anointed Peacekeeper, comment: No one's going to play FoW this week, right?
Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated, comment:
FTW: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Induced Amnesia, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Rock paper goblin?
Silkster: Black Lotus, Cabal Therapy, Bitterblossom, Leyline of Anticipation, comment: no force pls
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dte: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black lotus, Bladecoil Serpent, comment:
Me, unimaginative
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Timetwister, Empty the Warrens, comment: Goblin smash!
6-0
Reeplcheep: Foil, Volcanic Island, Blazing Rootwalla, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Mad for Foils
0-6. I had thought of foil + chancellor, I would have played it.
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Chancellor of the Forge, Black Lotus, Anointed Peacekeeper, comment: No one's going to play FoW this week, right?
0-6. Leyline+chancellor beats leyline without.
Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated, comment:
6-0, leyline
12
FTW: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Induced Amnesia, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Rock paper goblin?
0-6, gob win
Silkster: Black Lotus, Cabal Therapy, Bitterblossom, Leyline of Anticipation, comment: no force pls
2-2, staredown
14
Didn't go great, chancellor was smarter.
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Reeplcheep: Foil, Volcanic Island, Blazing Rootwalla, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Mad for Foils
Loses to counters seems like the obvious thing, so I played a counter deck that can’t beat chancellor.
dte: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black lotus, Bladecoil Serpent, comment:
Foil serpent WW
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Timetwister, Empty the Warrens, comment: Goblin smash!
Foil lotus, decline to madness, you twister, I foil again. Lol foil was better than fow here. WW
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Chancellor of the Forge, Black Lotus, Anointed Peacekeeper, comment: No one's going to play FoW this week, right?
Foiled DD
Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated, comment:
Foiled WW
FTW: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Induced Amnesia, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Rock paper goblin?
I hardcast rootwalla if you do nothing. WW
Silkster: Black Lotus, Cabal Therapy, Bitterblossom, Leyline of Anticipation, comment: no force pls
Foiled WW
10 W 2D for 32/36
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Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated, comment:
dte: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black lotus, Bladecoil Serpent, comment: - LL
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Timetwister, Empty the Warrens, comment: Goblin smash! - LL
Reeplcheep: Foil, Volcanic Island, Blazing Rootwalla, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Mad for Foils - LL
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Chancellor of the Forge, Black Lotus, Anointed Peacekeeper, comment: No one's going to play FoW this week, right? - LL
FTW: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Induced Amnesia, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Rock paper goblin? - LL
Silkster: Black Lotus, Cabal Therapy, Bitterblossom, Leyline of Anticipation, comment: no force pls - LL
That's a perfect sweep.
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FTW: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Induced Amnesia, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Rock paper goblin?
I deliberated between turn 0 discard, turn 1 discard with Foil, turn 1 Emrakul (resists discard), then finally turn 0 exile (beats Emrakul) with non-spell threat. This seemed best, but Reeplcheep wins with an extra 1/1!!
dte: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black lotus, Bladecoil Serpent
1/1 goblin means you have to act first. If you play a Lotus, I respond with Lotus + Amnesia and exile your Serpent. WW 6-0
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Timetwister, Empty the Warrens
Turn 0 exile your hand, goblin smash! WW 6-0
Reeplcheep: Foil, Volcanic Island, Blazing Rootwalla, Chancellor of the Forge
You came prepared to next-level this!!
Our Goblins trade. If I play Lotus, you Foil and get Rootwalla. If I do nothing, you play Rootwalla. You have more 1/1s than me. LL 0-6
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Chancellor of the Forge, Black Lotus, Anointed Peacekeeper
Mirror match! Our goblins trade. Whoever plays Lotus first loses, so no one does. DD 2-2
Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated
Turn 0 exile your hand WW 6-0
Silkster: Black Lotus, Cabal Therapy, Bitterblossom, Leyline of Anticipation
1/1 goblin means you have to act first. If you play Lotus, I respond with Lotus + Amnesia to exile your hand. WW 6-0
26 points (8 wins, 2 draws, 2 loss)
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GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "Who has the fastest Goblins?"
dte: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black lotus, Bladecoil Serpent, comment:
Discard :( 0-6
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Timetwister, Empty the Warrens, comment: Goblin smash!
That's me smashing with 12 goblins!
Reeplcheep: Foil, Volcanic Island, Blazing Rootwalla, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Mad for Foils
Faster goblins & foiled twice :( 0-6
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Chancellor of the Forge, Black Lotus, Anointed Peacekeeper, comment: No one's going to play FoW this week, right?
Faster goblins :( 0-6
Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated, comment:
Goblins smash! 6-0
FTW: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Induced Amnesia, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Rock paper goblin?
Faster goblins :( 0-6
Silkster: Black Lotus, Cabal Therapy, Bitterblossom, Leyline of Anticipation, comment: no force pls
Discard :( 0-6
6 goblin points :|
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Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Chancellor of the Forge, Black Lotus, Anointed Peacekeeper, comment: No one's going to play FoW this week, right?
This is me and I learned this morning that the deck I feared was illegal because I forgot that force of negation isn't just a pitch cast negate!
dte: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black lotus, Bladecoil Serpent, comment:
I beat down with goblin and whoever casts first doesn't get to do anything so I win: 6-0
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Timetwister, Empty the Warrens, comment: Goblin smash!
I make lotus cost 2 on your upkeep: 6-0
Reeplcheep: Foil, Volcanic Island, Blazing Rootwalla, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Mad for Foils
stalemate: 2-2
Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated, comment:
I make lotus cost 2 on your upkeep: 6-0
FTW: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Induced Amnesia, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Rock paper goblin?
mirror match stalemate: 2-2 (nice deck!)
Silkster: Black Lotus, Cabal Therapy, Bitterblossom, Leyline of Anticipation, comment: no force pls
I beat down with goblin and whoever casts first doesn't get to do anything so I win: 6-0 (well I guess you can cast cabal therapy after the dust has settled :P)
28/36 points
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dte: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Black lotus, Bladecoil Serpent, comment:
DD
GoblinSmashmaster: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Timetwister, Empty the Warrens, comment: Goblin smash!
WW
Reeplcheep: Foil, Volcanic Island, Blazing Rootwalla, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Mad for Foils
LL
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Chancellor of the Forge, Black Lotus, Anointed Peacekeeper, comment: No one's going to play FoW this week, right?
LL
Wrath of Pie: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated, comment:
WW
FTW: Leyline of Anticipation, Black Lotus, Induced Amnesia, Chancellor of the Forge, comment: Rock paper goblin?
LL
Silkster: Black Lotus, Cabal Therapy, Bitterblossom, Leyline of Anticipation, comment: no force pls
My initial read on the format was Force decks, decks that beat Force, and decks that lose to Force, and I was really unhappy with that because these rock-paper-scissors metas never go well for me. I missed Foil, and it actually makes me feel a bit better that I lost to that rather than a bad guess. 3cb with Force, blue card, red chancellor would have gotten me more points, but not by much.
I was already brainstorming decks that lose to 12 goblins last night, but it looks like it'll be Karn.
Next ceiling deck: Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Karakas, Karn Liberated.
These cards are out for the round, and the same 3 blue cards and 4 lands are still banned.
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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Heads up that next week the deadline will be pushed back by 24 hours.
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
Ceiling Season Bonus Round 3
GoblinSmashmaster: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Magus of the Moon, Broadside Bombardiers, comment: Boastful goblins
FTW: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: Form of the Spaghetti
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Mox Pearl, Lotus Petal, Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, comment: I'm hoping people are too afraid of land destruction to do land things
Wrath of Pie: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Blood Moon, Lupine Prototype, comment:
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s Factory, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Mox Pearl, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: Taxes
Silkster: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: hopefully the right monster
dte: Mishra's workshop, Ensnaring bridge, Scalding Tongs, Maze of ith, comment:
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GoblinSmashmaster: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Magus of the Moon, Broadside Bombardiers, comment: Boastful goblins
WW - I thought this was an easy win at first, but I do take 4 damage along the way, both on the play and on the draw, so I'm only winning at 1 life. It's a good thing Emrakul isn't 16 to cast.
FTW: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: Form of the Spaghetti
WL - Great minds or fools? Thought this was DD at first as the second Emrakul kills the first, but actually the first removes the life required to cast the second.
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Mox Pearl, Lotus Petal, Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, comment: I'm hoping people are too afraid of land destruction to do land things
LL
Wrath of Pie: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Blood Moon, Lupine Prototype, comment:
WW - I almost played a non basic because I forgot about Blood Moon, but I couldn't think of a good one. :cool:
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s Factory, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Mox Pearl, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: Taxes
LL - I thought I was ready for Chancellor. The decks I came up with were losing to Karn and Karakas redundantly. These Karakas specific cards are very nice.
Silkster: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: hopefully the right monster
dte: Mishra's workshop, Ensnaring bridge, Scalding Tongs, Maze of ith, comment:
LL - I can fly! I don't need to cross the darn bridge!
5W, 7L
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I thought the deadline was being pushed back by 24 h? I was planning on changing. Too late now. The other deck beats Ensnaring Bridge, but loses to Blood Moon OTD & still loses to Lavinia & Thalia, so maybe Emrakul was better.
Same score as silkster.
15 points (5 wins, 7 loss)
I thought this round would be free of most T0/T1 prison, with Forest + Mox beating Chancellor & Moon. Lavinia & Thalia are clever.
Does Reeplcheep's deck LL to the ceiling deck or just DD?
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GoblinSmashmaster: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Magus of the Moon, Broadside Bombardiers, comment: Boastful goblins
3-3
FTW: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: Form of the Spaghetti
6-0
9
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Mox Pearl, Lotus Petal, Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, comment: I'm hoping people are too afraid of land destruction to do land things
6-0. Feeling lucky here
15
Wrath of Pie: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Blood Moon, Lupine Prototype, comment:
3-3
18
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s Factory, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Mox Pearl, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: Taxes
0-6. Nice how it loses so narrowly to the target deck.
18
Silkster: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: hopefully the right monster
6-0
24
dte: Mishra's workshop, Ensnaring bridge, Scalding Tongs, Maze of ith, comment:
Me, who was on illegal deck.
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Originally Posted by
FTW
Does Reeplcheep's deck LL to the ceiling deck or just DD?
Reeplcheep loses LL. Bounce Thalia EoT pay tax for lotus, bounce Thalia end of turn, play Karn.
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Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Mox Pearl, Lotus Petal, Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, comment: I'm hoping people are too afraid of land destruction to do land things
GoblinSmashmaster: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Magus of the Moon, Broadside Bombardiers, comment: Boastful goblins
I cast lavinia on your upkeep, which means mox ruby will be countered and you can't cast any other spells: WW
FTW: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: Form of the Spaghetti
I cast lavinia on your upkeep, which means mox emerald will be countered and you can't cast any other spells: WW
Wrath of Pie: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Blood Moon, Lupine Prototype, comment:
I cast lavinia on your upkeep, which means mox ruby will be countered. You can still cast Lupine Prototype, and since I am empty handed your 5/5 smashes me. If I don't cast lavinia you eventually empty your hand and smash me: LL
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s Factory, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Mox Pearl, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: Taxes
Chancellor beats my whole deck: LL
For some reason it didn't occur to me that chancellor was legal. I feel very lucky there was only one copy this week!
Silkster: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: hopefully the right monster
I cast lavinia on your upkeep, which means mox emerald will be countered and you can't cast any other spells: WW
dte: Mishra's workshop, Ensnaring bridge, Scalding Tongs, Maze of ith, comment:
I cast lavinia on your upkeep and then maze of ith just destroys me just by being a second land letting you cast tongs, and then fogging lavinia: LL
18/36
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GoblinSmashmaster Results for "Round 3, Part 2, Turn 1"
GoblinSmashmaster: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Magus of the Moon, Broadside Bombardiers, comment: Boastful goblins
That's me playing a Goblin!
FTW: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: Form of the Spaghetti
Goblin... almost :( 0-6
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Mox Pearl, Lotus Petal, Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, comment: I'm hoping people are too afraid of land destruction to do land things
Lavinia :( 0-6
Wrath of Pie: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Blood Moon, Lupine Prototype, comment:
Moon smash! 3-3
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s Factory, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Mox Pearl, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: Taxes
Goblin smash! 6-0
Silkster: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: hopefully the right monster
Goblin... almost :( 0-6
dte: Mishra's workshop, Ensnaring bridge, Scalding Tongs, Maze of ith, comment:
Goblin smash, then bridge 3-3
12 goblin points
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Originally Posted by
FTW
I thought the deadline was being pushed back by 24 h? I was planning on changing. Too late now. The other deck beats Ensnaring Bridge, but loses to Blood Moon OTD & still loses to Lavinia & Thalia, so maybe Emrakul was better.
That's next week. The 7th rather than the 6th. Sorry for the confusion.
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Originally Posted by
tirrit
Tirrit:
Leyline of Anticipation,
Mox Pearl,
Lotus Petal,
Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, comment: I'm hoping people are too afraid of land destruction to do land things
dte:
Mishra's workshop,
Ensnaring bridge,
Scalding Tongs,
Maze of ith, comment:
I cast lavinia on your upkeep and then maze of ith just destroys me just by being a second land letting you cast tongs, and then fogging lavinia: LL
I missed how absolutely brutal Maze of Ith is against you. Ouch! Amazingly, the Maze of Ith also acts as a second mana source to cast Scalding Tongs through Blood Moon. That Maze is doing some serious moonlighting.
I took a quick look at the match ups for Wrath of Pie and Reeplcheep. I think Reeplcheep takes their head-to-head because Blood Moon gets stranded in hand. All of the other scores everyone has against them seem correct, which means that Wrath of Pie and GoblinSmashmaster tie on points. I think this is the first time we'll need a tie-breaker, and the fine print from a while ago will tell you that the tie-breaker is that the earlier submission counts as scoring higher, so the next ceiling deck would be City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Blood Moon, Lupine Prototype. I'll confirm in a day or two, and this is the week with a delayed deadline.
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Originally Posted by
GoblinSmashmaster
The Blood Moon mirror is funny: I just realized neither of you can present a threat if the other plays T1 Moon (GSM can't cast either creature, and Wrath can't empty hand).
Moon vs dte is also funny: dte can still resolve a threat thanks to Maze, the threat's just too slow without Bridge.
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
We might discuss what we should play after this round.
1) extend the same thing that we're doing a few more rounds (say, default extension = 2)
2) Change the format from which we make our lists.
a) taking the ceiling deck from the previous week as usual
b) making a new ceiling deck the same way we did originally (everyone submits whatever and we take the median)
When we do change the format, I plan to do something like 10 rounds with a few small pools (~block/standard size), a few large pools (~modern/historic), and a few vintage/legacy rounds (which will hopefully playout differently against comically weaker ceiling decks).
You can vote, or suggest something, or abstain cause it's all pretty similar anyway.
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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tirrit
Tirrit:
Leyline of Anticipation,
Mox Pearl,
Lotus Petal,
Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, comment: I'm hoping people are too afraid of land destruction to do land things
Wrath of Pie:
City of Traitors,
Mox Ruby,
Blood Moon,
Lupine Prototype, comment:
I cast lavinia on your upkeep, which means mox ruby will be countered. You can still cast Lupine Prototype, and since I am empty handed your 5/5 smashes me. If I don't cast lavinia you eventually empty your hand and smash me: LL
18/36
I just realized that on the play I can simply choose not to put the leyline into play, and thus not be empty-handed, while still casting lavinia in time to strand blood moon in hand. This doesn't work on the draw, so it's actually WL
Final score actually 21/36
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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Originally Posted by
silkster
We might discuss what we should play after this round.
1) extend the same thing that we're doing a few more rounds (say, default extension = 2)
2) Change the format from which we make our lists.
a) taking the ceiling deck from the previous week as usual
b) making a new ceiling deck the same way we did originally (everyone submits whatever and we take the median)
When we do change the format, I plan to do something like 10 rounds with a few small pools (~block/standard size), a few large pools (~modern/historic), and a few vintage/legacy rounds (which will hopefully playout differently against comically weaker ceiling decks).
You can vote, or suggest something, or abstain cause it's all pretty similar anyway.
My favorite would be to alternate backbuild and ceiling, taking the top deck as target.
That should bring diversity.
It seems clear now that the power level doesn't go down in ceiling alone, and I don't think the starting point matters much: we could play squire, 3x plains as target, and have next round lotus/thoracle with double pact or Fow/Leyline backup as a legal deck. We end up playing rounds of best deck in an environment that loses to FoW/chancellor /LD
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
Reeplcheep: Mishra’s Factory, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Mox Pearl, Chancellor of the Annex, comment: Taxes
Chancellor + loses to karakas seemed like the most niche way to lose.
GoblinSmashmaster: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Magus of the Moon, Broadside Bombardiers, comment: Boastful goblins
Tax evasion. LL
FTW: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: Form of the Spaghetti
Annex slows you enough to cast Thalia. wW
Tirrit: Leyline of Anticipation, Mox Pearl, Lotus Petal, Lavinia, Azorius Renegade, comment: I'm hoping people are too afraid of land destruction to do land things
Chancellor WW
Wrath of Pie: City of Traitors, Mox Ruby, Blood Moon, Lupine Prototype, comment:
Blood moon and chancellor stuck in hand. WW
Silkster: Forest, Mox Emerald, Channel, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, comment: hopefully the right monster
Annex slows you enough to cast Thalia. wW
dte: Mishra's workshop, Ensnaring bridge, Scalding Tongs, Maze of ith, comment:
Thalia + factory races tongs + maze. WW
10 W 2 L for 30/36
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
I think the reason that the ceiling isn't lowering is that so many of the decks are playing powerful answers like Force of Will. As soon as that's there, the next decks can play very powerful cards. I'm not convinced that Squire would get there so quickly, though I suppose Sunlance could be the stepping stone to Lab Man.
There have been some really interesting innovations, and I think doing away with a dozen or so problem cards would make a new season more diverse. Of the top of my head, I'd nix Force of Will, Force of Negation, Chancellor of the Annex, Black Lotus, Dark Depths, Mishra's Workshop, Channel in addition to the seven already banned.
Are you suggesting a whole season of backbuild, or a session where the rounds alternate backbuild - regular, with floor/ceiling decks as appropriate?
I'm thinking that we move on to the next season of feeling drawing from different "formats" after this round, and it might be fun to roll a new starting ceiling deck now that people have an idea of how it affects the rounds. For making that new deck, I'll post the lists I get by Friday morning at 11 EDT. I suppose if people want, they can submit for that this weekend by putting something like "proposed new ceiling deck" in the comment, but I'll see them while posting round 4, which might or might not matter to people.
Reminder that the deadline for this round is Wednesday at 11am EDT.
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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Originally Posted by
silkster
I think the reason that the ceiling isn't lowering is that so many of the decks are playing powerful answers like Force of Will. As soon as that's there, the next decks can play very powerful cards.
I don't think that anymore, I think it is more on the concept of a ceiling season: everyone tries to play broad answers and/or a powerful, resilient combo.
So the ceiling deck present broad answers and/or a powerful, resilient combo.
you ban Fow & FoN, but if Foil goes in the ceiling deck, every combo is legal and now there isn't any other free counter to foil them. Leyline of anticipation + CotV makes any deck with lotus/moxen legal, etc.
What we saw up to now is every round full of powerfull decks, except one round because the ceiling deck came from a miscalculation, and was actually unable to beat 3*plains, squire - or even 3* mountain, squire. Yet next round was immediately back to full powerlevel. Because overall we play the best decks that still have a specific weakness defined by the answer in the ceiling deck.
I see it a bit as natural selection: whatever restriction you try to impose, we will find way to go back to full power. Because we only design decks that we think are good as possible. And that was very very interesting to see (for me at least, as I thought first that powerlevel would drop instead).
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Originally Posted by
silkster
I'm not convinced that Squire would get there so quickly, though I suppose Sunlance could be the stepping stone to Lab Man.
From 3x plains, squire, the most catch-all cards that don't do anything are chancellor, FoN, and wasteland. so some would play it, and most would play around it, making them likely to appear in a ceiling deck. And any ceiling deck with chancellor or FoN makes lotus/Thoracle legal.
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Originally Posted by
silkster
Are you suggesting a whole season of backbuild, or a session where the rounds alternate backbuild - regular, with floor/ceiling decks as appropriate?
An alternate session.
We play ceiling, and top deck becomes floor deck for backbuild. The top backbuild deck becomes ceiling for next round.
Here there would be a good tension betweeen the two: playing the narrowest answers that still beat a topdeck from the ceiling round, being ceiled by narrow answers from backbuild.
I would be very interested to see how such a system evolves. I also think it would force us to think outside of the box, and that the cardpool will change a lot, because backbuid forces to play odd cards.
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Originally Posted by
silkster
it might be fun to roll a new starting ceiling deck now that people have an idea of how it affects the rounds. For making that new deck, I'll post the lists I get by Friday morning at 11 EDT. I suppose if people want, they can submit for that this weekend by putting something like "proposed new ceiling deck" in the comment, but I'll see them while posting round 4, which might or might not matter to people.
So here I think a starting ceiling deck affects only the starting round.
But in any case, I am completely convinced I will have a lot of fun playing what you end up chosing ;)
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
Okay, I'm convinced of the Squire -> Channex/FoN -> Lotus Thoracle pipeline.
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Originally Posted by
dte
An alternate session.
We play ceiling, and top deck becomes floor deck for backbuild. The top backbuild deck becomes ceiling for next round.
Here there would be a good tension betweeen the two: playing the narrowest answers that still beat a topdeck from the ceiling round, being ceiled by narrow answers from backbuild.
This does sound awesome and ridiculous. Does this still want to be Vintage format, or legacy, or smaller? And would you do this instead of (or just before) doing a ceiling season of smaller cardpools (like standard, modern, premodern, Masques block, all the Ravnicas, to name a few)?
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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Originally Posted by
silkster
This does sound awesome and ridiculous. Does this still want to be Vintage format, or legacy, or smaller? And would you do this instead of (or just before) doing a ceiling season of smaller cardpools (like standard, modern, premodern, Masques block, all the Ravnicas, to name a few)?
Great that you liked the idea!
For me the larger the cardpool the better, so vintage or legacy, with a preference for legacy as we just played vintage. I think the alternating format fits better eternal.
There was recently a post from Tylert saying they would be interested in playing with smaller card pools. They're maybe not alone thinking that. Ceiling should be nice with smaller card pool. Maybe the comment section of the submission could be used to poll what players prefer (large/small, ceiling/alternance)?
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
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dte
Leyline of anticipation + CotV makes any deck with lotus/moxen legal, etc.
I'd been waiting a few rounds to play that. It seemed to fly under the radar and then hasn't been legal in a while. There was 1 round where Leyline + Lotus + Chalice + threat was legal and Chalice @ 0/1 would have swept, but it seemed too narrow so I submitted something else (maybe Thoracle).
Otherwise I agree. The power hasn't dropped as predicted.
The power level only dips when GoblinSmashmaster submits an underpowered Goblin deck or Asthereal has 2 minutes and submits a slower T3 deck with karoos. Then it becomes a puzzle to find the broadest answers that can't beat those threats, or the best combo that loses to their disruption. Usually we still find a fast busted deck. If the ceiling deck is too slow, you can even "help" the ceiling deck with tech like Eladamri's Vineyard or Mana Crypt.
The 1 time it really dropped was Show and Tell Empty the Warrensx3, which can't beat 3 basics + Squire or even Chancellor of the Dross + 3 Phage the Untouchable. Even that was just due to the forced goblin theme. Elemental Eruptionx3 beats a lot of decks.
I like the idea of either backbuild or alternating. Either way, you've been organizing these well!
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
Ceiling Season - Final Round
GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Magus of the Moon, Krark-Clan Grunt, comment: Goblin Tinkerer too smashy
Tirrit: Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Leatherback Baloth, Pithing Needle, comment:
dte: Chancellor of the Annex, Karakas, Black lotus, Wrenn and Realmbreaker, comment: Alternating in legacy
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Chrome Mox, Mutavault, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes
Wrath of Pie: Shelldock Isle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Simian Spirit Guide, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment:
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Black Lotus, Mana Vault, Bane of Bala Ged, comment: scared of Unsummon
Reeplcheep: Syr Ginger, the Meal Ender, Crystal Vein, Black Lotus, Blood Sun, comment: Copycat
After this, we'll do 10 rounds total of backbuild/ceiling (5 of each) in Legacy, with the same 7 cards banned. We'll roll a new starting deck, so please use the same entry form to submit a deck that you would like to be the very first FLOOR deck (we're starting with backbuild). I'll publish them on Friday and take the median deck (or one lower if even number).
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Re: 4 Card Blind: The Silkster Seasons
Reeplcheep: Syr Ginger, the Meal Ender, Crystal Vein, Black Lotus, Blood Sun, comment: Copycat
I made the call that lots of people would lose to bloodmoon or artifact creature rather than lose to 5/5.
GoblinSmashmaster: Mountain, Mana Crypt, Magus of the Moon, Krark-Clan Grunt, comment: Goblin Tinkerer too smashy
Two threats LL
Tirrit: Black Lotus, Sheltered Valley, Leatherback Baloth, Pithing Needle, comment:
You get to attack first. LL
dte: Chancellor of the Annex, Karakas, Black lotus, Wrenn and Realmbreaker, comment: Alternating in legacy
Judge? I’m rusty on my layers knowledge but I think it’s LL.
FTW: Chancellor of the Annex, Chrome Mox, Mutavault, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, comment: Reeplcheep & Taxes
I have the bigger creature but no first strike. DD
Wrath of Pie: Shelldock Isle, Lion's Eye Diamond, Simian Spirit Guide, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, comment:
Blood Sun WW
Silkster: Ancient Tomb, Black Lotus, Mana Vault, Bane of Bala Ged, comment: scared of Unsummon
Blood sun doesn’t work. LL
8 L 2 D 2W for 8/36
