[Deck] GW/x Maverick

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Originally Posted by Fatal

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Factor - Thalia vs Canonist - Overlay

Storm MU - Thalia is better because stops also cantrips and free mana sources(tax them) - sometimes Belcher then go off with Canon though the Canonist.
Thalia 1 - 0 Canonist

Dredge - Thalia is very good in this MU - it can totally stops therapies, and all draw spells if connected with wasteland - Canonist do here mostly nothing.
Thalia 2 - 0 Canonist

S&T - Thalia buy a turn - Canonist with Karakas can stops all non-Sneak for also a turn but post fact after thread is already in play.
Thalia 2 - 1 Canonist

Body factor - Thalia dies to dread of night.

Thalia 2 - 2 Canonist

Type - Thalia is legendary which is bad here - Canonist on the other hand is an artifact which open more way to remove it.

Thalia 3 - 3 Canonist

Creature combat - Thalia has first strike which is very good.

Thalia 4 - 3 Canonist

Elves MU - Thalia do nothing here - where canonist stops Glimpse route

Thalia 4 - 4 Canonist

Symmetric effect - We running about 8-12 noncreature spells in all deck, only elves running less (but not always) and only 1-2 artifacts which mean we are also slowed down by Canonist effect.

Thalia 5 - 4 Canonist

Tutorable - Canonist can be found by E.Tutor which Thalia can't

Thalia 5 - 5 Canonist


Overlay is tide :) but if your meta contain Elves be prepared for it.

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Just to add to this analysis, Canonist stops Cascade strategies, while Thalia only sometimes slows it down. So +1 to Canonist.

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I like your list. I play with it too. I just swap Thoughtseize with IoK, because of the price.

Is there space for 2 Abrupt Decay in the MD? Sometimes i miss them, but i dont know what to cut.

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Originally Posted by SBGpinas

Just to add to this analysis, Canonist stops Cascade strategies, while Thalia only sometimes slows it down. So +1 to Canonist.

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Didnt realize canonist should be boarded in vs cascade decks! Nice tech!

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Originally Posted by IL_casual

Didnt realize canonist should be boarded in vs cascade decks! Nice tech!

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Granted, they can play around it, and it doesn't really stop Shardless Agent from Cascading into something (it's an Artifact Creature, after all), but it's going to hinder them a lot more than Thalia.

It stops Bloodbraid Elf's Cascade though

Has anyone tried out the fauna shaman package recently? Does it still have merit? I'm thinking about picking up Gaea's Cradle, Loyal retainers and elesh norn, but I am not sure if it would make much of a difference.

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

Has anyone tried out the fauna shaman package recently? Does it still have merit? I'm thinking about picking up Gaea's Cradle, Loyal retainers and elesh norn, but I am not sure if it would make much of a difference.

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With the increased number of Deathrite shaman players in my meta, I think its not as viable as before. You see, once Elesh Norn hits the GY then DRS will just remove it. But again it depends on your meta. please wait 2 seconds for an uncompressed image, or press Ctrl+F5 for original quality page

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

Has anyone tried out the fauna shaman package recently? Does it still have merit? I'm thinking about picking up Gaea's Cradle, Loyal retainers and elesh norn, but I am not sure if it would make much of a difference.

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What diakojay said, if a DRS player allows that to happen, you were probably winning that match because your opponent does not know what s/he is doing, the Loyal Retainers+Elesh Norn package only really worked in the mirror, but it's clunky, requires Fauna Shaman, and almost everyone sees it coming.

Unless you really need to beat zoo

Cradle is definitely worth having in the deck, it's made much better with GSZ (as mid-late game, it allows you to grab any hate bear you need to break a standstill in your favor), or with Ooze (ever want to watch a dredge player squirm uncontrollably)

As someone who was on the fence about Gaea's Cradle, I'm glad I picked 1 up. While Maverick can operate just fine without it, it's a really nice bonus to have mid-late game when I want to Ooze my opponent's GY into oblivion or GSZ for Sigarda without really trying. And it you're running equipment, Cradle for 2-4 really opens up your lines of play.

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Originally Posted by Arsenal

As someone who was on the fence about Gaea's Cradle, I'm glad I picked 1 up. While Maverick can operate just fine without it, it's a really nice bonus to have mid-late game when I want to Ooze my opponent's GY into oblivion or GSZ for Sigarda without really trying. And it you're running equipment, Cradle for 2-4 really opens up your lines of play.

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Yeah, I think I will probably go the cradle route. I played in a small LGS tourney last night, and I played with cradle and sigarda. Unfortunately I went 1-2 losing to a BWg deadguy ale deck and a storm deck. The main problem with cradle was that If I had a dryad arbor or nobles out, they would get pernicious deeded away and I was always 1 mana away from GSZ for sigarda (lilianas were the deciding factor in the match and sigarda would have crushed). I think I will put a sword of light and shadow in my board with 1 stoneforge to fetch it to help with that match in the future.

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Originally Posted by kai_nsane

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I like your list. I play with it too. I just swap Thoughtseize with IoK, because of the price.

Is there space for 2 Abrupt Decay in the MD? Sometimes i miss them, but i dont know what to cut.

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I have a question though, on this list he used Thoughtsieze (I love thoughtsieze as much as the next guy but don't you think Duress would be better?) I think you added Thoughtsieze as a disruption against combo. Usually they use non creature spells, is there any instance that you prefer to discard a creature instead of a non creature? (Sorry for the noob question, I just went back playing legacy and i'm still learning the ropes :) ) please wait 2 seconds for an uncompressed image, or press Ctrl+F5 for original quality page

You won't always play against combo, but when you do duress is probably all upsides.
But days you do not play against them there wil matchups where you will miss with duress g1 and that feels bad.

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Originally Posted by diakocjay

I have a question though, on this list he used Thoughtsieze (I love thoughtsieze as much as the next guy but don't you think Duress would be better?) I think you added Thoughtsieze as a disruption against combo. Usually they use non creature spells, is there any instance that you prefer to discard a creature instead of a non creature? (Sorry for the noob question, I just went back playing legacy and i'm still learning the ropes :) ) please wait 2 seconds for an uncompressed image, or press Ctrl+F5 for original quality page

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Sneak Show comes to mind... you might wanna discard the fatty in a hand that contains no enablers to dig the opponent deeper into the hole he's in.

Is it worth it to side in linvala vs deathrite shaman decks?

It's been a while since I've visited these boards, so I'm going to try to answer as much as possible in one post.

Thoughtseize > Duress imo because sometimes against Show and Tell you want to take their fatty if they have 2 Show and Tells or whatever. Duress is fine, I've played it in tournaments where I never wanted to take a creature, but I think Thoughseize is better if you have access to it.

Cradle is good, but only if you're running straight GW imo. I can't think of a land I'd want to cut for it in the already-crowded GWb manabase, though maybe the second Horizon Canopy? Cradle's real power resides in being able to devour graveyards with Ooze, so keep that in mind.

I've played Fauna Shaman before, and never liked it. Yes, it can tutor, but the effect is slow and dependent on the Fauna Shaman's survival, and they're terrible in multiples. The only reason I'd play one is to tutor for a non-green creature, and right now I don't think that's necessary.

I have maindecked Linvala before. It's metagame dependent -- she's pretty bad against combo but total lights out against D+T and Maverick.

For the Thalia vs. Canonist debate, I like Canonist more if she's in the sideboard because she's tutorable and you don't need to waste valuable slots with multiples. As far as the effect they have on the game, I think Thalia is slightly better.

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Originally Posted by Sunyveil

It's been a while since I've visited these boards, so I'm going to try to answer as much as possible in one post.

Thoughtseize > Duress imo because sometimes against Show and Tell you want to take their fatty if they have 2 Show and Tells or whatever. Duress is fine, I've played it in tournaments where I never wanted to take a creature, but I think Thoughseize is better if you have access to it.

Cradle is good, but only if you're running straight GW imo. I can't think of a land I'd want to cut for it in the already-crowded GWb manabase, though maybe the second Horizon Canopy? Cradle's real power resides in being able to devour graveyards with Ooze, so keep that in mind.

I've played Fauna Shaman before, and never liked it. Yes, it can tutor, but the effect is slow and dependent on the Fauna Shaman's survival, and they're terrible in multiples. The only reason I'd play one is to tutor for a non-green creature, and right now I don't think that's necessary.

I have maindecked Linvala before. It's metagame dependent -- she's pretty bad against combo but total lights out against D+T and Maverick.

For the Thalia vs. Canonist debate, I like Canonist more if she's in the sideboard because she's tutorable and you don't need to waste valuable slots with multiples. As far as the effect they have on the game, I think Thalia is slightly better.

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Wow thank you for the response. How about duress vs IoK? I would also want to know why you didn't board Mindbreak Trap? Are there not that many combo decks in your meta?

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Originally Posted by diakocjay

Wow thank you for the response. How about duress vs IoK? I would also want to know why you didn't board Mindbreak Trap? Are there not that many combo decks in your meta?

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If you have Abrupt Decay in your 75, you almost certainly want Duress instead of IoK. You have a lot of random ways to deal with creatures, and no way to deal with the stack.

As far as Mindbreak Trap goes, it's not tutorable in our deck so it takes up too much sideboard room.

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Originally Posted by ironclad8690

Is it worth it to side in linvala vs deathrite shaman decks?

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Given that Deathrite Shaman decks often use Abrupt Decay and sometimes Lightning Bolt as their primary spot removal, Linvala is often nuts in those matchups not necessarily as a Deathrite nerf but rather as a finisher that they can't block or kill very easily. I've seen Stoneblade players run Restoration Angel for the same reason ... A 4-drop 3/4 flyer just happens to be the perfect body to have against anyone relying on Abrupt Decay. I side in Linvala against Deathrites based on this fact alone.

I've been on a streak with GW locally, 14-2 over the last 4 weekly events I've attended across the past couple months (events are 12-16 players usually, I've split top 4 each time). Here's what my list has stabilized on:

1 Karakas
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
2 Forest
2 Horizon Canopy
4 Savannah
1 Maze of Ith
4 Windswept Heath

1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Scryb Ranger
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Mother of Runes
2 Mirran Crusader
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
2 Qasali Pridemage

2 Sylvan Library
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard
2 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Path to Exile
2 Choke
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Armageddon
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Crop Rotation

I would say that about once per tournament I win a match that I would not have won if my opponent had known and understood the matchup well, and sometimes it's more often than that, but that's just what happens at small local tournaments.

More results.
The deck is the one which i posted last time. I have just finished 5 in a legacy trial on bazar of moxen. We were more than 400 players.

Results:
Esper blade 2-0
team america 2-0
black D&T 2-1
Doomsday 2-1
Merfolks 2-0
Elves combo 2-0
Miracles 1-1
Rug delver 2-0
Bant agro 2-0
Jund 0-2

Ten rounds without top8

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Originally Posted by M@verick

More results.
The deck is the one which i posted last time. I have just finished 5 in a legacy trial on bazar of moxen. We were more than 400 players.

Results:
Esper blade 2-0
team america 2-0
black D&T 2-1
Doomsday 2-1
Merfolks 2-0
Elves combo 2-0
Miracles 1-1
Rug delver 2-0
Bant agro 2-0
Jund 0-2

Ten rounds without top8

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Nicely done Sir!

Well done Luis!

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LCL 2013 - Abril

Number of Players : 110	Date: 20/04/2013	Format: Legacy
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Deck Name: Maverick		Position: 1
Maverick	Luis Viciano	Sideboard
Creatures [27] 2 Gaddock Teeg 2 Phyrexian Revoker 2 Scryb Ranger 2 Sylvan Safekeeper 3 Birds of Paradise 3 Knight of the Reliquary 3 Mother of Runes 3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 3 Weathered Wayfarer 4 Stoneforge Mystic Instants [4] 4 Swords to Plowshares Artifacts [7] 1 Sword of Fire and Ice 1 Sword of Light and Shadow 1 Umezawa's Jitte 4 Aether Vial	Lands [22] 1 Forest 1 Gaea's Cradle 1 Karakas 1 Maze of Ith 1 Plains 2 Cavern of Souls 3 Horizon Canopy 4 Savannah 4 Wasteland 4 Windswept Heath	1 Gaddock Teeg 2 Choke 3 Mindbreak Trap 4 Oblivion Ring 2 Rest in Peace 3 Surgical Extraction
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Your list is extremely interesting. I think it's not as popular as it deserves just becuase the typical player doesn't know how to pilot it at best. Can you post some example videos? Or write a M@verick tutorial? How to play Weathered Wayfarer, what do you choose between your one drops, the best strategy against the tiers... Would be much appreciated :smile: