[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by ryO!

any idea why Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir triple in price ? as well as amulet of vigor, past in flames, azuza, vigor (seriously?), primeval titan ?

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Because the current state of the market makes it child's play to artificially inflate the perceived price of a card.

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Originally Posted by ryO!

any idea why Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir triple in price ? as well as amulet of vigor & vigor (seriously?) ?

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Modern GP. Deck is doing well. Look at "Blue Moon" and the amulet of vigor deck (unless they're the same). Been listening to someone whine all day yesterday about it because he sold his amulets to someone last weekend.

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Originally Posted by ryO!

any idea why Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir triple in price ? as well as amulet of vigor & vigor (seriously?) ?

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Idk why Teferi, but Amulet of Vigor is good in cheap non-Candelabra [your number here]Post.

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Originally Posted by ryO!

any idea why Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir triple in price ? as well as amulet of vigor & vigor (seriously?) ?

to answer myself

those cards were garbage a wild pro tour happens aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's not the case anymore ... (still don't get the Vigor, the creature, spike though ...)

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People are idiots and will spend money blindly. If people need to learn an expensive lesson, they should buy into this Teferi hype. Sell sell sell sell sell

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Originally Posted by ryO!

any idea why Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir triple in price ? as well as amulet of vigor & vigor (seriously?) ?

to answer myself

those cards were garbage a wild pro tour happens aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's not the case anymore ... (still don't get the Vigor, the creature, spike though ...)

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Matthias Hunt prominently featured a variant of this deck in the Pro Tour and did well with it.

Teferi rose because of some almost Mono-Blue deck that happens to run a splash for Blood Moon (and Spreading Sea for basics) to shit all over Modern's greedy mana bases, with seemingly great effect.

There was a next level blue blood moon deck that played Teferi as like a 1 of that did well, and AMulet was played in a glass cannon combo deck that did well

So, what you're saying is that after I sat on my Amulets of Vigor for years, they spiked not a month later than I have sold them? This is a bad bad day...

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

So, what you're saying is that after I sat on my Amulets of Vigor for years, they spiked not a month later than I have sold them? This is a bad bad day...

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...HFGplx7-PRm-sd

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They went from 2 to 7 dollars each. That's 20 bucks, unless you were hoarding them.

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Originally Posted by Barook

They went from 2 to 7 dollars each. That's 20 bucks, unless you were hoarding them.

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Yep, I had a playset. I thought I'll use it somewhere, but than a buddy of mine bought them after I never sleeved them for three years. So it's not that painful... :smile:

That's not hoarding. If it is, I'm responsible for fetch and dual spikes across the board... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee

That's not hoarding. If it is, I'm responsible for fetch and dual spikes across the board... :rolleyes:

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Of course it isn't hoarding, I was kidding. But I'm still a little bit surprised that the Amulet have gained in value, is it even remotely good? But yes, it has a bit unusual effect, so maybe I should not be surprised at all.

At least Amulet is a 4-of maindeck card, whereas Teferi is a 1-of in the sideboard, lol.

Basically all the stuff that did well at the Pro Tour jumped (Batterskull, Pyro Ascension, Blood Moon, PiF, Azusa, Snapcaster, Goyf, Cryptic etc.)

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

Of course it isn't hoarding, I was kidding. But I'm still a little bit surprised that the Amulet have gained in value, is it even remotely good? But yes, it has a bit unusual effect, so maybe I should not be surprised at all.

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Heheh, I know. Me too. Sorry for the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Kage

At least Amulet is a 4-of maindeck card, whereas Teferi is a 1-of in the sideboard, lol.

Basically all the stuff that did well at the Pro Tour jumped (Batterskull, Pyro Ascension, Blood Moon, PiF, Azusa, Snapcaster, Goyf, Cryptic etc.)

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I think in the confused state of the modern metagame, this should be expected until definite archetypes are established.

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Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee

I think in the confused state of the modern metagame, this should be expected until definite archetypes are established.

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Speculators buy out everything that gets hyped in the wake of a GP/PT - it isn't just limited to Legacy.

See: Fist of Suns

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Originally Posted by Barook

Speculators buy out everything that gets hyped in the wake of a GP/PT - it isn't just limited to Legacy.

See: Fist of Suns

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So, Porphyry Nodes are gone. I guess it is easy to buy out a fifty cent card. How much are they going to be when they are back in stock. Barf.

Had a playset in my eBay watchlist for a couple weeks. Figured I would have infinite time to make the purchase.

Nope.

Which decks ran Porphyry Nodes? :confused:

Edit: Okay, the winning deck. It's still strange, though.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Which decks ran Porphyry Nodes? :confused:

Edit: Okay, the winning deck. It's still strange, though.

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Uh o, watch the price of drip of honey spike cause if this stupidity

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Originally Posted by apple713

Uh o, watch the price of drip of honey spike cause if this stupidity

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Are you being sarcastic? I mean, why would that happen? That's green, nodes is white. The applications are different just on color alone.

Edit: Barook, Nodes has been used to off-and-on moderate success in landstill since it's printing.

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Had an interesting discussion at our kitchen table game last night.

How much damage could a single person and $100k do to the magic card market?

I was thinking with the right buy and sell policy a person could maybe double their original investment once per year by manipulating card prices.

A large part of the discussion is I have a friend who is a commodities trader and very good at it, and she was saying that most of what players do with cards based investments/market manipulation would be multiple years of prison time on the commodities market.

She went on to say that with cards the behavior is not only completely legal but with the short run of older stuff could be very profitable to say buy 2000 zendikar fetch lands at avg. $50 each make the price spike by $10 each and flip for a $20k profit.

i went a step further and suggested a mix of legacy staples as a portfolio. Duals, fetches fow led etc. Stuff that if it started disappearing in the market place would cause a panic buy.

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Originally Posted by Dan Turner

How much damage could a single person and $100k do to the magic card market?

I was thinking with the right buy and sell policy a person could maybe double their original investment once per year by manipulating card prices.

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Aka SCG's business model?

I could see this working out very well. Wizards takes years to react to market shortages. Buying out Modern staples might work out even better since that market is even volatile than the Legacy market (and let's be realistic, the demand is bigger). I'd say that the Legacy market is already reaching the upper limit for certain staples, but the ceiling for Modern is still high.

Wizards tries to protect the collectors, but who protects US from the speculators? Edit: That would be an interesting topic by itself.

Legacy is easily attackable if you go for the blue duals since they're the format's Achilles' heel (thanks, Brainstorm and other blue, broken crap!).