[Primer] Nic Fit

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Originally Posted by Jim

What were you thinking?

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2 damnation
1 LOLH
2 Plague Engineer
1 Triumph
1 Trophy

+ your MD

Don't you think you are on the "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" plan a bit too much ?
Are you sweating that much against creature/fair decks ?

I could see:
1 or 2 wrath effect (1 damnation + 1 Engineer)
1 or 2 spot removal (1 sac'effect + 1 catch'all = trophy)

The rest could be more combo oriented (so maybe 3 more cards devoted to battle combo MU). But I didn't play your deck, so your knowledge is invaluable, here.

That's just my impression.

Ralf

Posted this in the Yorion thread but . . .

Recent 5-0 Nic Fit list....

100 cards and awesome.

What's the consensus on Fiend Artisan? It's both a sac outlet and a repeatable GSZ that can even fetch non-green creatures.

I'm really liking a number of the Mutate creatures for non-Legacy things, and I was wondering whether any looked good enough to the people of this fine community to run as bruisers.

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Originally Posted by Ronald Deuce

I'm really liking a number of the Mutate creatures for non-Legacy things, and I was wondering whether any looked good enough to the people of this fine community to run as bruisers.

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I'm trying out the octopus and the Gemrazer. I think they do good things in Legacy.

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I'm wondering whether Mutate is gonna be a sleeper. Not sure yet how much, but there's always a niche for anti-Elk shenanigans. I'm watching a lot of cards from this set.

Enablers:

Zagoth Mamba: I continue to hate playing against D&T on pretty much everything.
Pollywog Symbiote: Maybe only good in Limited. But absolutely busted in Limited.
Essence Symbiote: Counters stick to Mutants. Lifegain is nice in matchups we're generally unfavored to win.
Mysterious Egg: Pretty much the foundation of the new mechanic.

Beaty dudes:

Gemrazer: I actually didn't know about this guy. Seems awesome.
Auspicious Starrix: House. The "X" might really break this.
Trumpeting Gnarr: Tokens are good, and I like things that pitch to Force.
Boneyard Lurker: Seems like a good tool for recursion, though if we're already running Witness this feels like a strict downgrade even with the stat boost.
Otrimi: Gets the above cards back. Pitches to Force.
Brokkos: Beats face. Beats face again. Pitches to Force.
Biollante: Gets everything back.
King Fucking Ghidorah: No idea. I like it. Pitches to Force.

Someday I might circle back and check out the white cards.

It feels like it should be a crime not to play Opposition Agent in every Veteran Explorer deck.

Maybe add 4 Ancient Tombs and some Hullbreechers to the deck and rework the creature base around the Ancient Tomb (the Rectors already work great with the Tombs).

Nic Fit has now evolved into Snoko!? Is this a new development?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3587252#paper

Creatures (13)
1 Dryad Arbor $ 13.86
4 Veteran Explorer $ 1.00
2 Dark Confidant $ 54.64
2 Ice-Fang Coatl $ 9.22
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest $ 10.00. (Opposition Agent could slot in here)
1 Tireless Tracker $ 5.76
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth $ 23.93

Planeswalkers (5)
2 Liliana, the Last Hope $ 50.00
1 Oko, Thief of Crowns $ 19.62
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor $ 100.52

Spells (14)
4 Brainstorm $ 1.96
4 Cabal Therapy $ 2.28
2 Green Sun's Zenith $ 30.86
2 Thoughtseize $ 29.50
2 Village Rites $ 1.74

Enchantments (5)
2 Confounding Conundrum $ 1.60
1 Sylvan Library $ 52.49
2 Pernicious Deed $ 9.88

Lands (23)
2 Bayou $ 848.40
4 Misty Rainforest $ 274.36
1 Phyrexian Tower $ 15.09
4 Snow-Covered Forest $ 2.16
3 Snow-Covered Island $ 3.30
3 Snow-Covered Swamp $ 2.16
2 Tropical Island $ 1,099.90
4 Verdant Catacombs $ 215.16

Sideboard (15)
2 Flusterstorm $ 13.98
2 Assassin's Trophy $ 24.06
2 Liliana's Triumph $ 0.58
1 Scavenging Ooze $ 1.23
1 Eternal Witness $ 2.82
1 Plague Engineer $ 4.11
2 Toxic Deluge $ 25.90
4 Leyline of the Void $ 26.32

And here I was worried that Nic Fit is a dead deck, but apparently I was wrong.

I think for the past 6-12 months the somewhat successful Nic Fit decks have been using Oko, Coatl and probably Uro. Like any other non-combo decks, hyperbolic but kind of.

Ramping into cards that cost more than 3 mana hasn't been perceived as worth it when the 3 mana cards are better anyway. The Jaces here are nice to see. I think previous decks from the 5-0 MTGO lists have often been even more close to Snowkom

I saw a version play against Tony Murata (12 post) that ran Titania, protector of Argoth, Greater Gargadon, and jazz like that.
It was super spicy, would anyone have a deck list for it?

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Originally Posted by Captain Hammer

Nic Fit has now evolved into Snoko!? Is this a new development?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3587252#paper

Creatures (13)
1 Dryad Arbor $ 13.86
4 Veteran Explorer $ 1.00
2 Dark Confidant $ 54.64
2 Ice-Fang Coatl $ 9.22
2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest $ 10.00. (Opposition Agent could slot in here)
1 Tireless Tracker $ 5.76
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth $ 23.93

Planeswalkers (5)
2 Liliana, the Last Hope $ 50.00
1 Oko, Thief of Crowns $ 19.62
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor $ 100.52

Spells (14)
4 Brainstorm $ 1.96
4 Cabal Therapy $ 2.28
2 Green Sun's Zenith $ 30.86
2 Thoughtseize $ 29.50
2 Village Rites $ 1.74

Enchantments (5)
2 Confounding Conundrum $ 1.60
1 Sylvan Library $ 52.49
2 Pernicious Deed $ 9.88

Lands (23)
2 Bayou $ 848.40
4 Misty Rainforest $ 274.36
1 Phyrexian Tower $ 15.09
4 Snow-Covered Forest $ 2.16
3 Snow-Covered Island $ 3.30
3 Snow-Covered Swamp $ 2.16
2 Tropical Island $ 1,099.90
4 Verdant Catacombs $ 215.16

Sideboard (15)
2 Flusterstorm $ 13.98
2 Assassin's Trophy $ 24.06
2 Liliana's Triumph $ 0.58
1 Scavenging Ooze $ 1.23
1 Eternal Witness $ 2.82
1 Plague Engineer $ 4.11
2 Toxic Deluge $ 25.90
4 Leyline of the Void $ 26.32

And here I was worried that Nic Fit is a dead deck, but apparently I was wrong.

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yeah its an Oko world. Ive added the snow package to my Maverick list as well.

AristoFit
Here is a brew I have been toying with. The purpose would be to be a stormcaller list that’s not just bad Snowko and a aristocrats shell that’s not just bad gaak.

Seagate stormcaller is a similar card to legacy heavyweights Arcanist and snapcaster. It’s less flexible than those two; so any shell needs to exploit that copy’s don’t re-incur costs. The strongest sorceries with additional costs are the sac a creature cards village rites & cabal therapy. Fit has already proved the best fair sac fodder is vet. Explorer. For Consistency we add 4 tendrils of despair and 4 bloodghast as copies 9-12. As a fair bloodghast deck drit/buried alive/URo were added.
Sea gate and URo are already great mana sinks but I added fotd and a witches cottage to take advantage of all the ramp wo running expensive cards. Rounded deck out with normal bug fit stuff like decay/trophy/fetches


4 Seagate stormcaller
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Bloodghast
4 Tendrils of Despair
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Village Rites
4 Dark Ritual
4 Buried Alive
2 Uro
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Assassin’s Trophy

1 swamp
1 Snow covered swamp
1 Island
1 Snow covered Island
1 Forest
1 Snow covered Forest
2 bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
1 urborg, tomb of yang moth
2 Field of the Dead
1 Witch’s Cottage
4 Polluted Delta
4 Verdant Catacombs

@reeplcheep
Maybe a Grave Titan instead of second Uro ?

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Originally Posted by Borg

@reeplcheep
Maybe a Grave Titan instead of second Uro ?

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Or a small gsz package.

the idea is that 2 uros allows you to get full value out of the 2nd buried alive, and gives you a guaranteed ramp payoff through a plow.

GSZ package could be correct however.

Hullbreacher and Opposition Agent were both specifically designed to be paired with Nic Fit and with Chalice Tomb decks. Throw in some Ancient Tombs and Field of Ruins and we have ourselves a spicy brew.

Nic Fit already plays Curses. It just needs to play Dark Rituals.

Is it viable to pair Seagate Storm caller with Hymn or Sinkhole for a blow out?

Each Hymn is equivalent to a double Cabal Therapy (blue decks often have 4 cards to dump or 4 lands to lose).

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Originally Posted by Captain Hammer

Is it viable to pair Seagate Storm caller with Hymn or Sinkhole for a blow out?

Each Hymn is equivalent to a double Cabal Therapy (blue decks often have multiple cards to dump.

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Although it is worse by itself, that was the thought behind Tendrils of Despair. I thought 1UB discard 4 was way better than 1UBB discard 4 at random, make a 2/1. Aditionally, it allows you to sac a vet t2 like a cabal therapy (vet, tendrils). Both of our acceleration leaves us with 3 mana not 4. IE t1 drit ghast tendrils or t1 therapy, t2 vet, fb therapy, land drop cast stormcaller + tendrils

Tendrils of Despair seem like awesome tech to pair with Arena Rector and Academy Rector.

Can you sac a Uro in response to it etb trigger by casting Tendrils.

Tendrils is a sorcery so no, you cannot sac Uro to Tendrils in response to Uro's etb trigger.

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Originally Posted by Captain Hammer

Tendrils of Despair seem like awesome tech to pair with Arena Rector and Academy Rector.

Can you sac a Uro in response to it etb trigger by casting Tendrils.

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No but village rites does work.

I assume if mtg overhaul wasn’t playing stormcaller there wasn’t enough space in rector fitAdditionally all the discard pushes the deck towards a grindy play style rather than a go big play style imo. Ghast/buried alive has the advantage that the combo targets also enable your sac a creature effects; therapy plus ghast is fine but dovescape plus village rites is garbage.