How do you like Jace in the deck? To me he is the top reason to play blue (after simic sky swallower, of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
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How do you like Jace in the deck? To me he is the top reason to play blue (after simic sky swallower, of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Hi,
Just did a top4 on a 24 players tournament this Sunday, i played the following list :
// FORMAT : Legacy
1 [UNH] Island
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [US] Phyrexian Tower
1 [UNH] Plains
1 [R] Savannah
1 [R] Scrubland
1 [R] Tropical Island
1 [SH] Volrath's Stronghold
2 [R] Bayou
2 [UNH] Forest
2 [UNH] Swamp
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [] Windswept Heath
1 [] Atraxa, Praetor's Voice
1 [RTR] Deathrite Shaman
1 [] Eternal Witness
1 [] Leovold, Emissary of Trest
1 [M12] Primeval Titan
1 [] Scavenging Ooze
1 [AVR] Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 [] Siege Rhino
4 [] Veteran Explorer
1 [] Nissa, Vital Force
1 [DKA] Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
3 [] Pernicious Deed
3 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
3 [CMD] Path to Exile
1 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
4 [JU] Cabal Therapy
4 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith
SB: 3 [THS] Thoughtseize
SB: 1 [] Reclamation Sage
SB: 1 [] Kambal, Consul of Allocation
SB: 1 [MBS] Glissa, the Traitor
SB: 3 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 [C13] Toxic Deluge
SB: 1 [] Golgari Charm
SB: 1 [RTR] Pithing Needle
SB: 1 [] Sanctum Prelate
SB: 2 [] Painful Truths
Round 1 : Enchantress
G1 : He took a early Cabal therapy on Argothian enchantress (we knew each other so we know against which deck we played), then flashback on Veteran explorer and a big Primeval titan which crushed him (i had to decay some Ghostly prison and Elephant grass before)
G2 : Kambal came very fast (on turn 2 or 3), and the drain life didn't helped him
Win 2-0
Round 2 : Miracles
G1 : Very long game (45 mins) where he took some Rhino attacking before being removed. Then, Leovold has attacked him several turns and it was had for him to cantrip. Sigarda attacked some turns and dealt some points. At a moment he is at 3 life, i attacked with Sigarda. He hardcast Terminus, then has just 1 mana left and no cards in hand. I look with Top and see 3 lands so I decide to Path my own Sigarda in response, take a land and see 3 new cards : GSZ/Rhino/land. On my turn he had CB + Top so i go for Zenith for X=6, and take the Rhino from the top to finish him !
G2 : Game very fast where he kills me with a Monastery and 6 Monk friends on the 3rd additionnal turn.
Draw 1-1
Round 3 : Eldrazi
G1 : Short game, i take Chalice at 1, then Mimic, followed by TKS and Reality smasher
G2 : I win by resetting the board twice with Deeds, the Pithing needle on Wasteland helped me to keep my mana out of his denial
G3 : Big game, Mimic then TKS, then Matter reshaper. I block him every turn, recurring a Rhino with Wohlraj + Tower. He'll go until he's at 3 life and topdeck a Reality smasher, i won't have enough blockers and take 7, i was at 7 :(
Lost 1-2
Round 4 : Burn
G1 : He wins fast with Goblin guide then 2 Fireblasts, sure that helping him with my Veteran triggers isn't good
G2 : An early Kambal will fast make some coffee with sugar and all the stuff
G3 : same as G2 but MORE coffee with Kambal, then Rhino, then Sorin who will go until -6 and recur my Rhino again + take his Goblin guide :p
Win 2-1
Round 5 : Omnitell (without Sneak attack, mono U)
I know the player cos it's my friend with i travelled since early in the morning from my country :)
G1 : He early S&T, he puts Omniscience, i put Primeval titan, then he hardcast Emrakul ... :(
G2 : I open a perfect hand : Thoughtseize, Cabal, Veteran, Kambal, Reclamation sage and 2 lands, i just destroy his hand, drop Kambal ten attack and wait. He'll S&T, he puts Omniscience, i put Reclamation sage, he wanted to go on Emrakul and i win
G3 : he'll early S&T : he puts Emrakul, i put Primeval titan tutoring for Karakas + other land, then bounce Emrakul on my turn. The titan will race him until victory.
I finished 7th at end of the rounds and GO TOP 8 !
TOP8
1/4 Final - Eldrazi (same player as round 3)
He got toss, he starts
G1 : I keep a hand with 2 Cabal, GSZ, and other things so i keep. He opens by Chalice at 1. I'm forced to throw a Cabal for putting in gy, then GSZ on Veteran and flashback my Cabal still in the void just for ramp. I'll manage to get a Rhino but that won't be enough
G2 : He opens on Leyline of the void, i had kept a hand with Golgari charm so i destroy the Leyline with Charm on my T2, then i'l go for Rhino + Atraxa who'll race him
G3 : I manage to get Glissa + Rhino. He falls into the Glissa trap by attacking with Matter reshaper equipped with Jitte but no counters on Jitte (he did'nt knew how Glissa worked). Then he got a board with TKS + 2 Oblivion sower + Reality smasher and i prefer play safe by cracking my Deed at X=6. Then lots of turns where we both land go. I find a Rhino who'll get until the end cos i deal with his beasts with my Paths and Pulse.
Win 2-1
1/2 Final - Death and taxes
G1 : Double Mother of runes, Serra avenger and Mirran crusader. I got Path, Decay and Pulse in hand but can't do anything cos double Mother and he rishadans me every turn ...
G2 : Long game where i'll empty his board with a Deed then he'll topdeck lots of lands, he'll get 4 Rishadan port and tap my 4 black sources every turn. I finish by getting a 5th black source, put Sorin on board. Sorin will bring me back from 4 life to 12 life by putting 1/1 Vampire lifelink tokens then Emblem and he has no topdecks
G3 : Big opening for him with Thalia, Mother, Wasteland and Rishadan. The Flickerwisp will end the game
Lose 1-2
I finish 4th of the tournament and go with a Batterskull as my reward.
They'll will split top8.
Top8 is :
1) Bant
2) Death and taxes
3) Eldrazi (with W for Displacer)
4) Nic fit ( ME !!)
5) Eldrazi (without Displacer)
6) High tide
7) Tin fins
8) Zoo
Not sure on 7 and 8 but there's a Tin fins in top 8 for sure, and i'm not sure what was the 8th deck !
I think i'll do the following changes in my list for next tournament :
MD :
-1 Rhino +1 Thragtusk
-2 Path to exile +2 Blessed alliance
SB :
-1 Pithing needle +1 Engineered plague
congrats on the finish. I always thought that d&t is a good mu but recently I lost all my games to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by grokh
I play a quite similar list online atm.
- 2 rhino
- 1 titan
- 1 pulse
- 1 scooze
- 1 sorin, loi
- 1 pte
+ 2 baleful strix
+1 thragtusk
+1 vindicate
+1 tracker
+1 garruk
+1 deathrite
(+1 ste / 61 cards).
I consider to add an underground sea to have at least 3 blue sources. have u ever been lacking the right colors? except you got ported obv.
great move btw..
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He hardcast Terminus, then has just 1 mana left and no cards in hand. I look with Top and see 3 lands so I decide to Path my own Sigarda in response, take a land and see 3 new cards : GSZ/Rhino/land. On my turn he had CB + Top so i go for Zenith for X=6, and take the Rhino from the top to finish him !
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@Ricardio - would you post your Biomancer list? That would be great!
Thanks
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Tournament this Sunday.
Starfield or Sneak Attack? That is the question.
Both feel enormously powerful. Sneak Attack is definitely easier to play, but Starfield needs testing more.
JTMS is amazing. I think the grean creatures you get in blue are a huge reason to play BUG but also people fear Force from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
Strix and flusterstorm are great sb cards as well. Notion thief is cute but nonbos with Leo.
Master Bio seems borderline unplayable at first but once you realize he dodges everything but swords and makes all your creatures threats, a stupid grins befalls your face.
http://i.imgur.com/xZpzPdd.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Hanzalot
This link is close. I won't be able to post updated till later since im at work. ideally, I will have a chance at lunch.
The list is fun.
I am also stoked about the tezz build :D
StarField! That deck seems super cool and potentially powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
I do also get to annoy judges with Humility/Starfield/Living Plane questions, which is always a nice bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surfkatt
I've really been wanting to get Living Plane + Humility out. Your lands uh...are 1/1 creatures...with no abilities :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
Curse of Death's Hold :cool::cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
So my Junk fit list is pretty streamlined against the majority of the field, but I'm still terrified of combo in most of it's iterations. I run 3 surgicals, 3 thoughtsieze, teeg and needle for my general combo match ups. Sneak and Show doesn't really see play in my meta currently and there are one or two reanimator decks, both UB and BR.
My current board plan is below, should I be running lost legacy as well? I feel that outside of D&t, my mainboard is well versed against the majority of the legacy field, with some matches being closer to 50/50 than others.
3 Thoughtsieze
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Pithing Needle
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Golgari Charm
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Glissa, the Traitor
2 Choke
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Massacre
(for reference the main is this:)
Lands: 22
8 Fetches
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Plains
3 Swamp
3 Forest
Creatures: 15
4 Explorer
1 Deathrite
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sakura Tribe-Elder
1 Eternal Witness
3 Siege Rhino
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
Non Creature: 23
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Vindicate
1 Dismember
1 Painful Truths
1 Nissa, Vital Force
Tsunami is just better than choke.Quote:
Originally Posted by removedfromgame
dismember and swords should be 2 path
switch a top to a library?
Have you tried Kambal in the side? He is good.
Lost legacy seems to be better than I initially thought (yes, echelon)
You are welcome [emoji35]Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
E. I still think that canonist is better for her implications against elves and Lauren, 2 horrible mu in my experience
Yeah, so I find that choke has been underwhelming outside of the one or two times i "get someone" with it. I like that switch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I agree with the two path, but I'm fond of dismember. I'm going to switch it up and see how that feels. I think that I might not be looking at that switch from an objective enough standpoint.
I haven't tried kambal, my biggest concern is that I can't green sun for him, making it more difficult for me to run him as a silver bullet. How have you felt about your odds of seeing him vs his contribution to the match up?
I'm against library in the main because of my pernicious deeds, but against storm does it do enough to warrant a slot? In that match i take out my deeds, but I'm a little wary. It seems slow?
I really should test out lost legacy.
Haha sorry. You were right as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
I think canonist is better but Kambal(Kumbal) seems strong to play as well.
@removed: you are playing arbor, cmon man. Also, I suggest trying a single deluge over the 3rd deed. Additionally, making room for a tracker might help your grind games.
ran this at my local and went 3-1.
4 veteran explorer
4 deathrite shaman
1 sakura tribe-elder
1 eternal witness
1 tireless tracker
1 leovold, emissary of trest
1 thragtusk
2 baleful strix
(21 spells)
4 green sun's zenith
3 sensei's divining top
4 cabal therapy
2 jace, tms
2 nissa, vital force
1 ob-nixilis reignited
1 garruk relentless
2 abrupt decay
1 pernicious deed
1 innocent blood
(23 land)
2 phyrexian tower
4 misty rainforest
4 verdant catacomb
1 polluted delta
1 dryad arbor
2 underground sea
1 tropical island
2 bayou
3 forest
2 island
2 swamp
i didn't really like the tribe elder that much, prob would run another bayou over it. i would also like to squeeze in a volrath's stronghold, could be the innocent blood's spot.
sb i ran was:
2 engineered plague
1 faerie macabre
2 surgical extraction
1 maelstrom pulse
1 pernicious deed
1 lost legacy
1 thoughtseize
1 flusterstorm
2 abrupt decay
2 pithing needle
1 massacre
r1: blue/red delver.
his draws were unremarkable, thragtusk down both games and he couldn't catch up.
r2: aggro loam.
game 1 i had an early garruk relentless and just got too much card advantage with planeswalkers.
game 2 was close, but he ended up killing himself with dark confidants (i extracted his loam, then witnessed it back to get his punishing fires)
r3: ANT.
lost game 1. game 2 i drew my sb cards. game 3 was close but he outraced me.
r4: miracles
won a really really long game. drew about 10 extra cards with nissa ult. recurred deed to protect myself from angels.
(we never got to play a game 2)
Finally got Nissa onto the field. I like her, she's like our very own Reality Smasher.
Besides the Trophy Mage build which I'm still brewing but at least a month away from testing, revisiting walkers seems fun. The question seems to be between BUG for Jace or Junk for Sorin.
Edit: Chandra, Flamecaller opens up an interesting Jund build too.
Ugh, I know. Every time I see that card I get morally offended. However the surprise chump blocker never gets old and sometimes it's a relevant thing to sacrifice to therapy. It's annoying how many random uses it has. I have a buddy who I argue with often about that card (he err's on the side of keeping it) but I keep looking to cut it so bad it wished I didn't cut it so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
I want to play tracker. I need to fit it somewhere. Deluge is interesting. My lgs has learned to respect deed.
But the tezz fit list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
a land that dies to deed/deluge and doesn't tap when it enters but also dies to wasteland as well as everything short of decay: NEGATIVE, GHOST RIDER.Quote:
Originally Posted by removedfromgame
They are just suggestions, I don't think your choices are wrong.
Still haven't seen the list. I forgot about it honestly. I'm pretty busy through the middle of next week. Eventually I'll take a look at it, from the description you provided it sounded neat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Preaching. I'm tinkering with cutting it for the blue splash because Atraxa feels like the real deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Its worth testing. check out my lists. HAPPY BREWINGQuote:
Originally Posted by removedfromgame
I took a wack at it. Check out my Imgur in my signature for lists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
The updated list would be awesome. How did Nissa, Vastwood Seer work out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
http://i.imgur.com/9ux4iTN.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Hanzalot
Not better than tracker D:
Dude, it's friggin' amazing! Firing off the first one is good enough, but firing off a second copy is pretty much the final nail in the coffin vs. a number of decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Working on Nyx Fit for this weekend.
I think the build could really do with a copy or two of Nissa, Vital Force. Currently looking at this:
22 lands (3 tower)
4 Vet
4 Rector
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
2 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Doomwake Giant
4 Zenith
4 Therapy
3 Top
1 Nissa, Vital Force
3 Deed
3 Sterling Grove
2 Starfield
1 Living Plane
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Dead Weight
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Parallax Wave
Last slot wants to be either a second Dead Weight or an additional Zenith target. It would be nice to fit in a Zenith option that actually applies pressure, but I don't feel like Tireless Tracker fits into the deck particularly well otherwise. We also already have absolutely loads of card advantage engines. Rather than play a second Dead Weight I might give a Liliana LH a shot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
Could you give a short run down of how this list works? I can gather some of the combos but feel like I'm missing quite a bit.
Thanks!
Simple summary: Academy Rector is amazing and probably wins you the game. Therapy and Tower let you sacrifice him without interruption and he usually results in a kill. You don't have a main board answer to storm, but basically every other match up folds to a Rector trigger or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanzalot
Card choices:
Starfield: out grinds everyone. Recur Deed and Sterling Grove, provide win condition, recur removal and blockers, do silly things with Parallax Wave flickering itself.
Sterling Grove: Protect your stuff (Doomwake Giant with shroud is scary), one card combo if you aren't under pressure by fetching Starfield to recur itself. Instant speed sacrifice let's you turn Starfield back off in response to sweepers.
Living Plane: stops miracles from sweeping the board. One sided Armageddon with Doomwake Giant to lock up the game. Turns Deed into Armageddon.
Faith's Fetters: Removal for Inkmoth, Jace, Griselbrand and basically anything else.
Parallax Wave : Unconditional removal at instant speed. Exile your own Witness to keep stuff locked away forever. Exiles permanently or infinitely flickers your own stuff with active Starfield.
Doomwake Giant: Finisher. Blocks Angler. Gets Shroud from Sterling Grove and ends the game with Living Plane. Recurrence with Starfield, fetch able with Rector.
Dead Weight : Recurrable removal that kills Deathrite. Gets past Pendelhaven and Mentor Prowess. Is an enchantment for Eidolon and Doomwake.
Eidolon of Blossoms: Draws way too many cards. Out-CA Shardless and Miracles. Can't be Decayed, survives most Deeds, gets Shroud with Grove.
Courser of Kruphix : Stabilizes against Aggro. Another recurring blocker. CA engine with Top. Swings for 3 under Starfield.
Everything else is pretty standard. Top is way better than Library here because it survives all the Deeds we crack.
Rector + untapped Phyrexian Tower should beat basically anything your opponent puts on the table.
I've been looking to potentially finish building back my online list for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
The major downside of this version is the lack of Abrupt Decay, really. That and the fact that GSZ is not as versatile due to small number of targets and cmc of targets (1,3,4 instead of typical spread). Maybe those aren't as bad as I think they are - my current list does look similar. I'd hate to just flat out get way worse against Delver without some cheap removal...I'm opting for definitely at least 2 Dead Weight. Hopefully we might see future enchantments printed that could alleviate these things.
The major upside is that a single Rector tutor wins against a majority of decks. It's also really easy to have leylines in the side against graveyard/burn/storm matches.
Part of me really wishes that Oath of Nissa was good enough, but I'm not sure if it is.
I've tested with Oath of Nissa. It isn't good enough, mainly because it doesn't hit enchantments which makes it garbage in this deck. Too many misses.Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
Honestly, the deck is not bad against Delver. If anything it's the same as most others. The list plays Courser (who's great against them) and while it doesn't have Swords, it does instead have Oblivion Ring, Faith's Fetters and eight Moats in Veteran Explorer and Academy Rector.
Oh wow, for some reason I thought Oath did grab enchantments. Yea that's bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
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Originally Posted by Ricardio
FIXED. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
I'm taking Sneak Fit for a spin tonight if the snow doesn't make getting to the LGS problematic. Have there been any changes or updates to the generally standard list recently?
If anyone has any general guidance for how to play it, decide on mulligans, or sideboard with it that would be appreciated as well.
Not many changes at all. I've been trying out Nissa, Vital Force in place of Sidisi in the main. Someone recently mentioned Dreadbore to me as a replacement for To the Slaughter, but I haven't decided on trying it yet. Maybe 3 Decays, 2 Dreadbore main instead of the PFire package? Smooth answer for Gurmag, and having another Decay would be very nice. Yet PFire handles Jace well and also can be free wins against small creature decks throughout an entire match. And if you get up to enough mana to cast two PFire a turn, you are in great shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by gth842s
Part of me still wants to jam 2 Tireless Tracker somehow, as well. Finding myself wishing for more card draw/value...can't have everything though.
Starting to question Primeval Titan as well. It's great against Miracles but against mostly anything else, I find myself Empath-ing for Inferno Titan in order to clear opponent's board or ping a walker to sudden death. It's nice having a tutor for Stronghold though, since that land is so strong here. Don't think the deck can afford to play a 2nd due to the Groves - removing them like I said above could make room.
All that being said...I'm sticking closely to my current list until GP Louisville is over.
taking it to a GP? that's awesome. Stay bold, my friend.
Thanks! Appreciate it a lot. Time to dust off the old Living Plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
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I'm not just trying to be contradictory but when do you find yourself wanting the deluge? I could see an argument against eldrazi but there are a lot more match ups that I am concerned with facing (miracles, d&t, jund, bug, lands, deathblade) where I would imagine a third deed as more devastating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio