my list is the same that won ghent, my side is different
maybe i keep bad hands against mav or something, but my bad luck in this particular match is incredible... like... rape his hand and then never draw a tutor to win
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my list is the same that won ghent, my side is different
maybe i keep bad hands against mav or something, but my bad luck in this particular match is incredible... like... rape his hand and then never draw a tutor to win
Just practice I guess. Some people just have cursed match ups. I was wondering how Karakas has been in sideboard? I put two in my board and don't know how I feel about them
To be honest, bad luck happens sometimes but that doesn't mean its related to your list.
Truth be told, lists are overrated.:smile:
So many people spend so much time finding the "perfect" list and discussing every single detail about it without realizing if they spend half that much time on playing with their deck they would be much further along.
In short: play what feels comfortable but fwiw I think 4 DoN (+2 bounce) is enough against maverick.
Me playing goblins: maverick won
Me playing team italia: maverick won
Me playing tes: maverick won
Me playing ant: maverick won
i'm playing combo decks (tes and ant) as my only decks
G/W tutors.deck it's my nightmare
Try miracles. Or evaluate your decision treesQuote:
Originally Posted by SaberTooth
Maverick vs Gobo is just not winnable for the Maverickplayer..how the heck does he win against you..I am serious here...a friend of mine would appreciate it cuz he gets raped by Gobos all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaberTooth
Ant vs Maverick slightly favors Ant imo. The Gent List is even capable of winning G1 with the redslpash. Only problem here is T1 mother into Teeg.
TES is a bit easier with the higher chances on early kill + the ability to chant-walk maverick.
This might not be true after the next set and the addition of Dryad Militant and Judge's Familiar which worsens our G1 alot. Thanks god they die to Dread of Night postboard.
Greetings Chris
i can win in other matchs, so my descision tree isn't bad in my opinion. maverick is my nemesis
Ok so i need help figuring out boarding plans with the following:
Main:
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic island
1 Badlands
1 Island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding tarn
2 Bloodstained Mire
4 Duress
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Cabal ritual
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Infernal Tutor
3 Burning Wish
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
Side:
4 Dread of Night
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Echoing Truth
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Meltdown
1 Pyroclasm
2 Karakas (or 2 flex spots)
Still unsure if Tendrils of Agony should be in the main over Empty the Warrens.
I agree that the "best" list is the one you've played the most with, but I think it's still worth having discussions about what the best cards are in each slot, especially in a deck like this, where a single card can completely change how the list plays out. Particularly with sideboard slots, as I think it's pretty helpful to discuss what cards are effective in different matchups (Maindeck is a different story...I don't think there's any amount of discussion that is going to convince people of BW vs Grim or Thoughtseize/Preordain vs Gitaxian/Therapy or Tendrils vs EtW, as it really is 100% preference in my opinion)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia_Bot
I think if you can find room for Karakas in your sideboard, you should test it, as it's very good against Maverick. If you're still running a mass artifact hate or mass bounce in the SB, you should probably test Karakas in those slots if you're having trouble against Maverick, unless you have a lot of Stax/Chalice in your meta, as it's much better than Virtue's Ruin or Pyroclasm or Chain of Vapor against them.
Did some testing with my list against Miracles. It actually wasn't that bad. Just name Counterbalance with Cabal Therapy. Also Cabal Ritual helps this match up. I would lead out with a one drop then wait to he revealed and respond with Cabal Ritual. Still unsrue about the two Karakas in the side.
I don't see a reason for many players to reveal for any spell that doesn't cost two if they have so few lands they cannot respond to you doing that. If it stops your turn, go for it, but when you have 2 or more mana available, why bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by lambert101
Their entire deck is dig + counterspells, it's difficult to discard their CBs and get rid of their hand before they draw another one, in my experience, and it's very difficult to win after CB resolves (yes, you can occasionally mise some wins, but few and far between).Quote:
Originally Posted by lambert101
If you don't think the matchup is that bad, you should test it more, it's very easily the worst matchup of any even semi-popular decks (I think I'd honestly rather play against MUD - at least there, we can occasionally race), and I've not found any terribly effective SB cards against them. I think the best plan against them is to a) lose or b) just accept that in half the games you're going to have to play directly into all their spell pierces and counterspells, and accept you need to go off turn 2.
I've completely smashed CB players with storm before, and then lose in the matchup to Dave Gearhart because he has enough experience to know how hard it is to beat a top in play floating Force of will. I've seen players flash snapcaster in to get a clock going, while others hope to get value out of him and die as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronm678
The matchup is very much dependent on how well You/he knows each others lists and what to do. Against someone experienced, it should be difficult to beat. Top is such a beating, and Clique is almost worse
Against Miracles I have found post-board having 11-12 discard spells is key to hit Counterbalance. I have also toyed with the idea of shaving the two Karakas for 2 Extirpate to remove Counterbalance or Force of Will after having them discard it.
Anyways, a new spoiler from Return to Ravnica caught my eyes.
Slaughter Games
Slaughter Games can't be countered by spells or abilities.
Name a nonland card. Search target opponent's graveyard, hand, and library for any number of cards with that name and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
Good bye Force of Will or Counterbalance.
I have also, considered Wipe Away as a 2 of instead of Karakas- deals with Counterbalance and Grislebrand
You should be playing more than 2 Karakas and more than 2 Wipe Away. It's not any wonder why you have issues with Maverick and Miracles.
Any sideboard suggestions?
@emidln: It looks like you're siding out Snapcaster Mage in a lot of the common matchups. Might it be better to simply go -1 Snapcaster, +1 Duress in the maindeck or something along those lines? Just a thought.
Holy shit. Abrupt decay is the new hotness. The counterbalance matchup just got easier.
Thinking I may have smoothed out the boarding plans:
Main is the same. It is posted awhile back.
4 Dread of Night
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Echoing Truth
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Meltdown
1 Pyroclasm
2 Wipe Away
Maverick:
-4 Duress
-3 Cabal
-4 Gixtaxian Probe
+ 3 Inquisition
+ 4 Dread of Night
+ 2 Echoing Truth
+ 2 Wipe Away
Miracles:
+3 Inquisition of Kozleik
+2 Wipe Away
+2 Echoing Truth
+1 Tendrils of Agony
-1 Empty the Warrens
-1 Infernal Tutor
-4 Gixtaxian Probe
-2 Burning Wish ( I do not think this is correct but do not know what else to take out)
Rug:
Nothing... I feel this match-up is good considering the discard, Past in Flames, Empty the Warrens, and Cabal Therapy.
Show and Tell.dec
-1 Empty the Warrens
-4 Gixtaxian Probe (Don't know if this is right)
-1 Infernal Tutor
+ 1 Tendrils of Agony
+ 2 Wipe Away
+ 3 Inquisition of Kozelik
Basically, I am having a really hard time with side boarding. I wish Timo made his report from GP Ghent so I could see what he did and base my plans off his.
Wipe Away isn't very good against Maverick. By the time you can actually cast it, they're pretty much guaranteed to have multiple hate bears that you need to deal with. This is why Virtue's Ruin is acceptable (it costs a lot, but kills everything).
Also,
Yay for uncounterable 2 mana removal spells for everything this deck has ever cared about. As much as this card is going to be fucking amazing in my storm decks for a few months, it's a dumb card and is going to result in something I love a lot getting banned.