What would get banned?
Also and ideas for a side plan?
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What would get banned?
Also and ideas for a side plan?
So does this make the green splash worth looking at again? You get Autumn's Veil as a pseudo-Chant and Carpet of Flowers to blow through taxing counters. In exchange you may be losing more game 1's, lower your threat density, and basically lose the EtW plan though PiF is still probably fine via LED/Petal. So basically you have more game against blue control decks but your fair deck/combo deck MU worsens as you are slowing down and becoming less flexible.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
You can do whatever you wish, but I'll be doing this to the 75 I posted:
-3 Wipe Away
-2 Chain of Vapor
-2 Engineered Explosives
+4 Abrupt Decay
+1 Tropical Island
+1 Bayou
+1 Tarpan (okay, maybe a more meaningful free slot)
I probably would also entertain cutting the 2nd Swamp for a 9th fetch in my list, but I am considering that without Abrupt Decay.
Considering access to green, I might also be willing to cut out my sideboarded duress and use the free slot on 2 Xantid Swarm vs merfolk.
i like the idea of green. this new decay seems powerful
Can't say how he boarded against RUG and Sneak/Show, but against Maverick it isQuote:
Originally Posted by lambert101
+2 Inquisition of Kozilek
+4 Dread of Night
+1 IGG
-1 Chrome Mox
-1 Cabal Ritual
-2 Duress
-2 Gitaxian Probe
-1 PiF
and Miracle:
+2 Inquisition of Kozilek
+1 Duress
-1 Chrome Mox
-1 Gitaxian Probe
-1 Cabal Therapy
In general you take IGG over PiF against the non-blue (read non counter decks).
You switch Duress and Inquisition according to what you want to discard (Inquisition over Duress against Goblins and so on)
Cage against Reanimator, Dredge and so on. Dread of Night against the Maverick Hatebears. Rest of the cards are wishboard material.
Good cards to side out are Mox and Probes...though I would never take all the Probes out. Sometimes they help you Therapys out on turn 1 when it matters. They also do work nice along PiF :-)
Perhaps I can post you some information about his boarding for the other two matchups after the weekend, because I intend to play ANT on the tournament in Dortmund on Saturday and tomorrow is BBQ and problably some coaching on schedule ^^
Hope that helps
Mindlash
@Mindlash
Thank.you for the help. I plan on playing this deck at a local tourney this weekend and need help side boarding. I like the wipeaways against miracles.
This. Listen to this manQuote:
Originally Posted by emidln
My though process on seeing Decay:Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
Step 1: Oh man, people now have an actual good way to kill my Counterbalances that can go in their maindeck. :(
Step 2: Oh man, when I'm playing storm I just gained access to a two mana answer to Counterbalance, hatebears and Chalice of the Void. The sweetness! :D
Seriously, Decay is definitely worth splashing for out of the board. As emidln said, it deals with every single permanent this deck ever cares about (other than Leyline of Sanctity), it's cheap enough to not totally ruin AdN and they can't even protect their hate with countermagic. Card is bonkers.
Agreed...I think this should also be the end of people running stuff like Echoing Truth or Meltdown or whatnot, as we don't really need Stax-Specific answers anymore, we have a less narrow one now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon,Goblin Chief
It does make our mana pretty awkward, I think the card is much, much worse for Burning Wish versions, as I don't think you can support both splashes (as mentioned, Red for Past in Flames is fine off of 1 Red land + artifacts, but this is a spell that needs to be cast off lands, and we really need at least 2 green sources in the 75 if this is going to be a 3-4x in the SB). Also, I don't think we board this in against Maverick, at least not 4x. It doesn't do enough against them, and we don't really want to have green sources + karakas against them, as their end-game is always just KoTR + Wastelanding us it seems.
Hmmmm....in any storm deck running black and green this is an automatic 4 of in the sideboard. Also don't see how it will lead to any bannings, I can't see abrupt decay getting the axe in legacy just the notion makes me laugh. As for them banning LED because of this card, I don't see that either. I can't think of any card that will get banned as a result of this being printed. It improves storm to be sure, but it doesn't improve it so much that it will require a banning later on.
I'm seriously debating whether or not I should splash green in Emidln's ANT list solely for this card. Doing so would destablize the mana a little bit or take up a sideboard slot. I won't cut volcanic island though, as using artifact mana to utilize PiF is a little bit backwards/awkward as you need cabal/dark rit for PiF to work and not LED.
For a manabase with 9 fetches and a green splash out of the sideboard I would use the following:
4 Polluted Delta
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Verdant Catacombs
2 U. Sea
1 Swamp
2 Island
1 Volcanic island
Testing would tell whether you should run a 1/1 split of mire/catacombs, 2 mire, or 2 catacombs. I just went with a 1/1 split as it seems safest.
As for the xantid swarm idea, it's an interesting one to be sure. Personally I would probably just one a one of EE in that slot, especially now that we can set it up to 4 without petals. Xantid would be my go to card if merfolk rises in popularity though or decks that are soft to xantid.
Okay so I just noticed that you put a bayou and a trop in your sideboard. So no need to completely redo the manabase as the current manabase can support both rather easily in that any fetch can get you green. Guess I'm just used to only tropical island being sideboarded in and not bayou.
I have not played that much against Miracle. Played some Games with my common sense boarding....some with Timos boarding plans. The matchup is balanced I would say...there are times, where they have CB/Top and there are other times where you just win.Quote:
Originally Posted by lambert101
There is just no pressure....in my opinion . You can even trick them into putting Top on top of their deck. Most of the time I won...somtimes its a draw....but most of the times you do not loose to this deck...there are even Goblin Decks complaining about it...or Dredge Deck...dafug -.- I cannot understand it...do not overextend...hit the right cards...Miracle lives from people who do not know what to do :-/ Overextending and such...
I do not like the idea of crippling my manabase against the upcoming tribels. Before I would go 4 color for some new spell I would go TES and trust me...I never would. I like ANT much more for its stable manabase. And stable Mana is a strong thing with Goblins, Merfolk, Canadian, Maverick and this kind of Decks lurking...
I would also never dismiss "red" in my manabase. Maybe its some kind of personal style...but I like "red" alot because it gives you a good game 1 against Maverick. It gives you easy access to our best Stormengine. It gives access to an easy extra Tutor.
Even after such a short time of playing this deck...there are so much plays I do not ever want to give up. Grim Tutor is just Baws G1. What does UBg do against Mav G1?
Its defnitly a Spell I would take up in a playset....but I do not think it is the time to use it....now...it will be here...I will use it....but not now...really....as long as I only see counterbalance for it as a target....
So let me get this straight...you just picked up the deck and you're confident enough to a) determine that our worst matchup is only "that bad" because we aren't good players, and b) determine that that matchup doesn't warrant splashing another card?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindlash
Play the deck a little more, then play against a competent miracles player before you rush to judgement. Also, worth mentioning, the green splash comes entirely out of the sideboard, it's not hurting our mana at all, except against decks that run 1-2 Wasteland at most -- the only problem is you can't support the green SB and leave BW in your deck, which means you need to find 1-3x business spells that aren't red to fill those slots (Snapcaster or Grim Tutor are common, some people have also run an additional Ad Naus in the past in that slot).
Usually UBG loses G1 to maverick, or goes off before they land a hate bear -- it's not like Burning Wish opens up that many lines against them anyway, as it's not that often that BW into Hate into kill is a reasonable line anyway once Thalia is out.
EDIT:
It's clear English is not your first language, so I apologize if I misunderstood something you're saying.
Wow...Miracle as worst matchup...I would like to play your Meta :-) I feel RUG and Reanimator are alot harder...but you are right...I am just a newb...perhaps I am wrong... At a sidenote: You do not need to offense my language! It is not my fault that you are loosing to Miracle...I am not even playing it :-/ We are on the same side here...Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronm678
Pretty much sum's up the CB matchup. Playing through the softlock against an experianced CB players is extremely challenging. You need a really good sideboard plan to beat a good CB player, and even then your going to be 50/50, best case.Quote:
I've completely smashed CB players with storm before, and then lose in the matchup to Dave Gearhart because he has enough experience to know how hard it is to beat a top in play floating Force of will.
Mindlash,
I thank you for your help.
Decay does seem like a nice catch-all, but it still doesn't get around MoR. Still a nice card to have which can shave down some sb space. I'm not sure it's better than Wipe Away or E.E though. I guess if you are playing 4 Dread of Nights Decay gains a lot of power against Maverick decks though.
CB has been archenemy nr. 1 for a long long time. Now I'm still unsure if its actually played enough to give a fuck and waste 3-4 sideboard slots on it . My policy for a very long time has been to just ignore it but I guess if its really popular in you area you should make some room for it.
I really can't wait till decay is legal especially since I already splash green for Xantid swarm anyway.:smile:
with decay you no longer have to dedicate spots or just ignore it. you get something you can bring in against basically all creature decks. this kills every hate bear and those random pillars the red deck will play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia_Bot
bring this in and they don't have a hatebear draw, kill a knight. yes this doesn't beat a mom and hatebear but its not like you cut the virtue's ruins or e.es
the fact of the matter is this new spell is just better then wipeaway and fills the same role as a cb killer. you bring this in most all the time. the only concern i have is how the mana will be considering we are in 4 colors.
maybe we (and this might be crazy) cut pif go for iggy and just crush things. hopefully cb dies out and i don't have to wonder what i wanna play anymore
Yeah I know, the first part of my post was directed at the situation right now. Sorry if it caused confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rekk
no bounce? i mean, leyline of sanctity is a card too (maybe a really random one), i know that we have etw, but that's the plan?