If there were to be a Legacy GP tomorrow, you would play Nauseam?
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If there were to be a Legacy GP tomorrow, you would play Nauseam?
Got another decent run at the local shop yesterday; won all rounds 2:1, had almost no breaks in between rounds. Played Sloshstorm with 2 Pif, 2 Toa, 1 Etw, 1 Grim, SB: AdN
Round 1 Team America
First round, first mighty deck to beat. Well, in the first game, he has a rather weakish hand with 2 Ponder, 2 Goyf, 2 Delver, and a land. I therapy his Ponders but he manages to draw into some juice (BS, Force), while I was searching for some business spells. He counters a ritual at some point but I manage to win on the last possible turn with a PiF-loop. He proceeds to win the second game with flipped Delvers and Null Rod shutting down my plan to combo off in 1/2 turns. The deciding game was intersting because he played Hymn but hit mediocre cards, I played CRit > Infernal with LED in play and went for PiF after thinking a bit to play around Extraction but miscounted on the storm count, which forced me to go for LED with the flashback Infernal to chain some cantrips. Luckily the first one hits AdN and I play it from 18 life flipping some good cards and a Tendrils.
Round 2 ANT
Mirror time. I'm on the draw... but still I was lucky because he failed some cantrips and put his cards back in the wrong order. In the second game, we both have Flusterstorms but he had more cards in hand and 3 LEDs. Eventually, there was no way out for me. The round is almost over because both games were very grindy, however, I destroy him in the third game with turn 1 GP> Therapy >2 Infernals and turn 2 GP> Therapy> 2 Dark Rituals followed up by some Duress and cantrips for a Pif-loop turn 4 I think.
Round 3 Infect
He had the turn 2 kill on the draw, while I had a decent hand but no relevant action to stop him. In the next game, I had a turn2 AdN which fizzled but his creatures obviously don't deal real damage and I win easily with a perfect 7 the next turn. The third game was very interesting because he yet again led with G. Elf but I had Trop> Xantid Swarm. It was kind of unlucky because I didn't draw a second land and at some point I was on 9 poison with him being on 20 life... I drew my 8th card (only black cards in hand and a Fluster + Petal in play), and decided not to attack with Xantid and casually play DRit (if he counters with FoW he loses the game because of the missing storm count; ToA, Infernal in hand) > he forces > I fluster and play Infernal copying another Ritual > playing both Rituals > 2 discard spells > CRit for 5B and Toa for 20. GG.
Round 4 Bug Foodchain
The toughest round because he usually packs a lot of hate in his SB. First game was rather easy. He had only one Force I believe and died to a rather slow kill turn 5 or something like that. Apparently, Rituals were hiding somewhere. He wins the next game with some disruption after I am one mana/one storm count short of the kill. He topdecked Duress and had some nice draws leaving me with only mana and no business. The third game was probably the most exhausting one. At some point I had Xantid Swarm (boarded them for the last game on the play) after discarding Golgari Charm and a FoW; he still had Misdirection and 2 Extractions and eventually drew into another FoW later on. I attacked a turn afterwards but he Cliqued me and killed the Swarm, I don't take the risc and play it safely, casting SDT and shipping the turn. He beat me down to 4 and has an active Shaman, still one Surgical, and unknown cards. He forces my eot Brainstorm and I go into my final turn. I play a Cabal Ritual without threshold, cast LED, look at the top > draw a card > he responses by Surgical on my Cabal Ritual > I fluster it > he responses with Clique with topdraw still on the stack > trigger target me > I crack LED for RRR discarding PiF and Infernal > Clique fizzles > I draw D Ritual with top > play it and flashback everything for the win.
Awesome last game Robert! :smile:
Not a chance. The deck is great, but there's like 3 CoTV decks for every 10 people. You'd see one like 4-5 times over the course of a 15 round event and probably lose 2-3 of those, not counting any other losses to Delver or Miracles or bad draws or whatever. Obviously things can go right and it can work out, but I feel like you're going in handicapped if you choose to play ANT at a Legacy GP tomorrow. That's just the opinion of this Infect player however. Take it with a grain of cyanide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnplayer
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Originally Posted by Burnplayer
I Absolutely plan on playing that 75 list give or take 8 cards at gp Columbus
I've been considering this more and more every time I play the deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaac
Just so you know, you could've waited until your turn, tapped out during your main phase, bounced your own LED and Petal (sacrificing two lands), then bounced the Revoker on LED to generate three additional Storm at the cost of one blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaac
What does this mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaac
I don't think this deck is going anywhere even with all the eldrazi crap
That's a neat example of how a question mark doesn't construct a question on its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnplayer
But, yes certainly.
Thanks. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by nevilshute
There are answers to all questions. It's about passion and experience, thus I am sure a real die-hard storm player wouldn't switch decks only because there are some kids running around with things they don't understand and in a context they interprete completely wrong. Isn't it not our duty to kick some Ihhdrazi ass?Quote:
Originally Posted by Svyelunite
True words.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheerios
I'm actually very unsure about whether I'll be on Storm for Prague. Feel like I need to play vs Eldrazi more to really decide + get a better idea what the saturation of Eldrazi will actually be like when we get closer to June. As it is, I'm currently something like 4-7 vs Eldrazi and it does feel quite miserable. Pretty much what I expected. Like MUD suddenly went from a ~0.5% of the expected field to ~10% of the expected field... that is pretty disastrous. Having said that, Storm is still good vs much of the rest of the field and it is by far what I've had the most experience playing and so I might just default back to it.
But am definitely considering my options. BUG Food Chain is actually what I'm grinding with atm on mtgo as it has positive matchups vs both miracles and eldrazi. Ironically it's quite weak to Storm :wink:
I can imagine CoV works at 2 PIF, looks random there, also do not understand the Whisper statementQuote:
Originally Posted by Isaac
Deck - Yes, Card - No ... my opinion is a Lands is the best deck, but I'd stay on StormQuote:
Originally Posted by Burnplayer
haha, thanks! R4G3 obv. awesome, I has been some time I realized playing out a LED early counters Clique with certain hands so I try to stay aware of that, but can't remember if it was fruitful sinceQuote:
Originally Posted by CabalTherapy
It's 2 months to go, a lot can change, dunno if a 0/4 Flipper makes it, but looks like there is some drop in Thorns already a well as people running Reshaper instead of Revoker, judging from lgs our Eldrazi players do not have great time (other than beating me obv. ;), there isn't much excitement about it, but GP will sure mobilize winning>fun... usualy a large anonymous tournament is where you get more out of Storm than out of any other deck as well as being a good player...Quote:
Originally Posted by nevilshute
Foodchain, well I really can't imagine me running that, but your range is much wider than mine..
You really think Thing in the Ice will fit in a Storm sideboard? Or were you making a broader statement on how that card might shake up the meta further and so may / may not reduce the amount of Eldrazi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
I agree with your statement on Storm being a strong choice in a large anonymous tournament. It lets you leverage your experience tonnes but also has the occasional fast/free wins which matter a lot to me. I have a really hard time imagining me doing very well for 15 rounds playing Death and Taxes (which is a deck I love and also play quite frequently) because (almost) every win with that deck feels hard earned and you way more often will play longer matches. Very rarely does a round finish in 10 mins with a win for you. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not playing Storm to yolo my way to food between rounds, but it's all pieces of a bigger evaluation:
-Powerful and on par with most of the decks in the format
-Rewards dedication more then perhaps other combo decks in the Show and Tell / Reanimator vein by having a high(er) skill cap
-Will reward you with a non-trivial amount of "free wins" during a tournament
-Rounds will often finish before time
-Casting Dark Rituals and Lion's Eye Dimaonds is about the coolest thing to do in Magic :wink:
For whatever it's worth, I'm not playing Storm right now. But as Slosh pointed out, Lands is pretty good right now, and if more people switch to that, Storm seems like an easy choice again.
I was refering to the whole metagame and I will play it but I don't have high hopes for neither... on the other hand I have a guy in the lgs who is pretty good in both playing and trading cards and he has 16+ preordered and tries to sell some Goyfs what I've heard... I have high tolerance for card power and I'm also quite bad at predicting it as I'm usualy highly sceptical... I think they will make some adjustments once Storm is not a key player for them, why have an insanely good MU with a niche deck if you have still good and improve a major oneQuote:
Originally Posted by nevilshute
I also think Eldrazi will diminish in playerbase, not that it will become rare but will be less common... why? once Eldrazi get more bad beats by metagame adjusting, the deck is shallow, there is a reason you've met Stompy decks once a year before 2016 other than inconsistency, localy there were like 5 people building the deck and they usually ended up worse than playing their old decks... once the idea of omnipowerful overlordes is dethroned it's just another deckchoice... no matter what the rant in the BS threads say I believe U decks are played because both of objective power and play experience they provide... I have no idea how Modern players plays into this for a GP though...
-there is also the - no matter what you try to execute the same plan with the same cards every game G1 and it doesn't really matter what you start with as you're very consistent, but other decks are usualy very polarized which hands do and do not interact and you get a lot by concealing your identity... which is less stellar with increasing no. of oops I won permanents present in the meta
I think Lands is/was something Storm was prior last summer, powerful, known but not widely played, currently I think their biggest challenge is to not play the standard list... I think a list with reasonable Storm MU can be build easily, but there is no reason to would the Eldrazi menace push Storm out of the spotlight - there might be a at least one good thing about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Alexander
To anyone I may have offended. I didn't mean to come across as a hater. I love storm, and I think if it's what you've got and you're good at it, definitely play it. I just meant if you were proficient and fortunate enough to play other decks, that Storm is probably a weaker metagame call when lots of folks plan to show up with Chalice decks. You can definitely SB to beat them, but I don't recommend picking an uphill battle if you have the option of going around the hill.
With that, I disagree. The key to beating Storm is to be able to win game one a reasonable amount of time, and that requires too many changes to the core of the deck to be as good as it currently is against the other decks in the format. I don't think it would be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
Even if lands is a good deck. Being so dificult to get is a real upside from it being a deck thats played a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Alexander
Also I would play storm in a gp. Where no one know you. Also its great because you get free wins and you get leverage of the skill gap.
But eldrazi is really strong. I hope it gets diminished. But I still havent find a feck thats good against it and it seems really really strong and easy to use. That means that bad players get a lot of wins with it. And thats sad. Chalice is just a so broken card. That usualy if you resolve it you win the game. Its really not a fun card to play against. And much less if you play storm.
Also for the future at medium sice event I will be switching decks.
Lsv played my deck in a CFB video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XCKRHsN8C9s
He got 3-2 despite wining weird games and having only good matchups and misspelling my surname.
Missed r2 g2 a kill by a turn where he could get cabal rit ***** by casting infernal resp cabal crack led so he has 7 cards. Could have mattered. Still won next turn against an opoonent on goblins with spirit of laberinth instead of thalia.
Also overvalued a lot the ad nauseam (where its just and ok card)and the top (not siding it out). And undervaulated te probes by a lot siding then out in multiple matchups (blue decks). Gitaxian, along brainstorma and dark ritual is like the only card that I would never side out and play 4x.
Also played intead of the 3rd decay 3rd tendrills and 2nd fluster 3 confidants where they are not so good of a card. (He got vs uwr standtill one bolted, obv (he had seend bolts g1). Still won the game because his opp in 8 draw steps just found a pyroblast as counter the entire game.
Sided like empty, more tendrills in the deck without removingg the ad nauseam (and even sided confidants) so 6 4cmc+ cards...
Idk nice to see my deck there but sad to have to watch it
Just saw the videos, he did make some odd choices like you boarding out the probes and boarding in Bob way too often (his choice to even have the Bobs in the SB in the first place seems questionable).Quote:
Originally Posted by Togores
I enjoy his videos and generally appreciate it whenever pro players (or anyone really) make Legacy content.
I only watched match 1 so far. Apart, from rather obvious "mistakes", my favourite part is when boards out one Past in Flames in the mirror. Hilarious move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Togores
Edit: Alright, what happened in match 5? :laugh:
Edit2: Through with watching the rd 5 mirror. Too many memorable plays and I love how his opponent goes for "Infernal Tutor" with CT at the very end....
Lost quarterfinals of a small tournament yesterday to Chaos Elves with Teeg main deck. He was the higher seed so he was on the play which didn't help. Most lists I've found on MTGO don't run Teeg but I see that Julian Knab is running Teeg main and I think there's a high probability that people will copy him. Teeg main deck, imo, shifts the matchup very close to 50/50 if not worse.