So... Did you ever really miss the spotremoval..? Be it Decay or PtE.
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So... Did you ever really miss the spotremoval..? Be it Decay or PtE.
Why wouldn't he cast Ponder off the Lotus Petal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Did you consider Smasher's discard requirement?Quote:
Vindicate the Smasher.
He untaps Ancient Tomb, pass.
I untap a land, play a land, play EE@2.
He untaps Ancient Tomb, pass.
I untap a land, play a land, pass.
He untaps Cavern, plays Smasher, puts me to 9. EoT I crack EE.
I untap all lands, Zenith Glissa, pass.
He untaps, plays Metamorph on Smasher, swings. I eat one, take one to the face, go to 4.
I play Baneslayer, stabilize (Baneslayer was my last draw step).
Does running the 4th Rhino help with this? I noticed that you boarded out Truths almost every game. When would you keep it in? Against Miracles, Lands, Combo, and Esper Stoneblade?Quote:
Couple quick hits though
-) Painful Truths is not playable at Mythic. These matchups are just all garbage for it. The card's probably fine at something like an SCG Open or other different metagames, but for me, the card's just not viable. My life total is under way too much duress at all times in that room to be able to use it to draw cards.
Congrats and thanks for the report!
I also played at Mythic, able to scrape together 16th place.
I went Junk Fit. Similar creatures to Kev, but my spells/utility are different.
*I think this is everything
7 fetch
7 basic
2 bayou
2 savannah
1 scrubland
1 arbor
1 karakas
1 phy tower
/22
3 vet
3 drs
1 sakura
1 scooze
1 Teeg
1 nissa
1 witness
1 courser
3 rhino
1 meren
2 baneslayer
1 Sigarda
/19
4 GSZ
4 therapy
3 decay
2 path
1 toxic
1 vindicate
3 deed
2 top
/20
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1 scooze
3 surgical
1 Armageddon
1 DL Dromoka
2 carpet
2 slaughter
1 toxic
2 needle
2 Liliana of the veil
**I'm on my iPhone, which is a chore to type on. In a nutshell
R1: lost to BUG goodstuff -Zach is super laid back, great player
R2: tie sketchy miracle player URw
R3: win Sneak/Show -- survived an Emrakul attack game 1 and won from oblivion
R4: win Elves! -super nice guy
R5: win Eldrazi -guy who Kev lost to. love this kid he was very pleasant and chill
R6: tie Shardless BUG w/o delver -very solid and nice guy I know
Mythic has developed such a great culture. 5 of my 6 matchups were people I'd have at a BBQ. And I really wanna put this out there, because at the end of the day it's about slinging cardboard and having fun.
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My list:
Liliana was strong.
Armageddon was spicy
Teeg was also strong (elves he was a boss). Debated about Teeg #2 in the deck, felt he should have been there
DL Dromoka won 3 games on her own. Against Eldrazi, she raced a pair of X costing Eldrazi. Her 5/7 lifelink is so awkward for players to deal with. Uncounterable is also a thing.
Baneslayer was okay. Actually lost fights to goyf. I misplay R1 where I don't race with her. I still think Baneslayer came out too late in several games. Couldn't turn it around.
If I gave hit with Hymn or early TS I have to come out of such a hole.
MD toxic was strong. Paths were okay. decay was okay.
I want KotR in my deck. I would cut Courser and possibly Nissa for some Reliquary hunnies. The logic is that Nissa ramps into shit I don't need (more G) and courser isn't going fast enough. Reliquary would also be a strong beater/defender. She ruins goyf fights and can clock the opponent when you sequence properly (tutor - fetchland - land of choice).
I want more draw, but Truth isn't it. Maybe it's Sylvan.
Didn't miss Pulse at all.
Not really. There was one or two times vs manlands where I was slightly annoyed that all of my removal at the time (no deed onboard) was sorcery speed, but that was the only issue. At the end of the day, manlands lose to our creatures (other than Tar Pit), so it's not that big of a deal generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
To contrast, my roommate (who was on Scape), missed his Decays immensely. It might just be a playstyle difference -- as noted previously, I tremendously prefer sweep to spot when it comes to removal in this deck.
No idea why he didn't cast Ponder instead. Would've definitely been better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Water_Wizard
Yep, I had something in mind to discard to the Smasher.
I don't like running 4 Rhinos, personally. I feel it clunks up the 4-spot too much, and while the idea of drowning in Rhinos sounds like a lot of fun, it's less good in practice, in my experience. I see Rhino exactly the amount of time that I want to with 3+4 Zenith, so I don't want to add the 4th.
Truths is great against Miracles, Shardless, anything with Stoneforge Mystic, and Lands. Against most combo decks you simply won't have the time to take a turn to draw cards, even if it would help you find hate. Basically, my stance on Truths is that it's great against the matchups that I want to play against. I would LOVE to be in a metagame where I could run the card, because that means I would be having a lot of fun (and favorable) matchups, unlike the meta I actually exist in, where I need to be worried about being turn 4 goldfished every match. I like Truths a lot and I envy everyone who can actually get away with playing it. Don't take my cutting of the card as me saying it's a bad card or not good enough for the deck.
Well done boys! How many players turned up on the day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
My preference for Dromoka over Baneslayer is because of its 3rd ability, i.e. your opponent can't cast spells on your turn. No combat shenanigans from them and you get to land spells with impunity on your turn. Did that come up on the day for either of you?
Cheers on the results. Thanks for the reports. Really like reading about otherones experience. It's been very helpful. Curious to the report of Ultimate Fit. How many players did participate?
Looking at those MU's i can't help but think that those MU's would have been perfect for PFire NicFit (yes i am looking for an excuse here :-)
But Junk still feels as the safer choice. Switched it back to how it was a good month ago after changing and testing lists on a daily basis. See sig.
46 players for this one -- a bit low compared to our usual 60~, but I know Detroit siphoned off a couple cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
My friend who top 4'd on Ultimate played vs Eldrazi (w), Shardless (draw), BUG Delver (w), goblins x2 (both w, one was top 8), merfolk (w), and belcher (L), which put him at 4-1-1 and into the top 8. As noted, he played vs Goblins (who was on the play) in top 8, and won. The Ultimate list was pretty similar to what I've shared previously -- we made a couple tweaks, put a pair of Needles in the board, etc. I'll post the link to the top 8 lists whenever Dan puts it up. I'd like to note that while we shared a Merfolk player, all 3 Goblins players between the two of us were distinct. There was a strangely high meta share of Goblins in that room, and they all did reasonably well. Not sure if it was just a fluke, or a sign of a hole in the metagame.
Doug McKay and I were chatting during our match, and agreed that being the "alpha fair deck" is a good strategy for legacy right now. Goblins has a claim to that throne, as do Nic Fit and Eldrazi. Just an interesting thought.
Thank you for mentioning Shardless and clarifying about combo. You should play on MTGO. I'm playing my 3rd league and I've playing 13 matches, all against fair decks. Not one combo, sneak-a-fatty-into-play, or graveyard based deck. Just fair decks ranging from Miracles to Delver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
@Arianrhod: I like the idea of mass sweepers. It gives you some extra slots to put some more creatures in. It also shows that there is some merit to lowering the number of removal spells in the deck altogether.
I was planning to attend the monthly at my LGS this weekend, but stuff came up. Didn't manage to attend. Next opportunity should be april 16th.
http://www.mythicgameselmira.com/mar_legacy_16
3rd place list is the Ultimate I was talking about earlier, for those interested.
They made an error with his list. I don't think he ran 6 Verdant Catacombs. Catacombs 4-6 probably are Windswept Heaths.
Also, hurray for Fierce Empath! I love that card.
Siege Rhino + Deadeye Navigator O M GQuote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Looking at this list, are there any changes that would be made based on actuall experience?
Gonna sleeve it up and give it a spin :-D
Edit: 64 card main?
Boner alert..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
The other day i played something like this but BUG. Thragtusk and Deadeye Nav where soulbound. I activated deadeye 3 times at my opponents end step... whats not to like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
I love it when we get to do EDH things!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
On another note: One build I'd still like to see is one that can reliably drop Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and keeps control with All is Dust instead of Toxic Deluge.
Yes, I know that deck is called either Turbo Eldrazi or MUD, but I don't see why we couldn't do it. I think I'd call it Jizz Fit.
Speaking of doing EDH things..
Looking through the thread - Have any of you guys done any Rector builds with Intuition? Intuition for Rector + Therapy + Unburial Rites gives you a Rector trigger. Rector builds don't generally seem as harsh on the mana base as other lists since you don't need Grove or Valakut or anything like that. Other interesting Intuition packages:
Rector, Therapy, Unburial Rites as mentioned above
Lingering Souls, Therapy, Therapy - disrupts combo decks pretty hard. Souls is good with Humility also.
Witness, Meren, Recurring Nightmare - infinite grind (with another creature/fetch for Arbor).
Intuition being castable under Gaddock Teeg feels pretty useful when compared to Gifts.
I like the name but at that mana, you are better off with newlamog or Koz D. Deed and Deluge are usually enough and Karn just does a better impression. We aren't mud so that may not be a real thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
There's only 6 fetches -- 3 Verdants and 3 Mistys. For some reason they duped the Verdant line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
that RUG NO list is smexy with the maindeck knucklebros.
Kudos to those who did well this weekend at Mythic.
SOI Mechanics Article
Under the new rules, the converted mana cost of the back face of a DFC is based on the mana cost of the front face.
Huntmaster and Flip Garruk can no longer be Abrupt Decay - ed. Seems nice to have.