Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
I've also found that Entreat and Clique are good because they represent a quick clock and are hard to interact with profitably. Interesting that you've found counterbalance to be good against them - I've usually been taking it out because it can't deal with their late-game. My plan has been to get more 'fish-y' with hatebears and become the aggressor. Maybe I'm looking at the matchup wrong? Am I too eager to bring in Meddling Mage here when maybe my other cards are better?
Edit: Wow, out of DTB! Time to get to work people - I don't think the deck has ever been better positioned.
Re: [Deck] Miracle Control
Yeah you definitely want to be the aggressor, but Counterbalance can buy you a ton of time. Their deck is full of 1-drops land fixers like Top, Crop Rotation, and Exploration Map. I don't usually have Meddling Mage in my board, but he seems especially good. What have you been naming first? My inclination would be to name Primeval Titan, but I could imagine cases for others. REB is also very solid and hits their FoW, Swan Song, SNT, and Repeal. I've been boarding out all my removal. I could see leaving in a Terminus or two for Counterbalance flips and last ditch answers, but usually if they get to a point where they've resolved a creature then you are in a ton of trouble.
Re: [Deck] Miracle Control
About a year after I originally built Miracles with shocks, dismantled due to my playgroup flipping out on me... I have the deck almost fully built! The only thing I'm lacking at this point is 1-2 Jace, the Mind Sculptors (I have 1 currently).
Excited to finally have a Legacy control deck that I can play when the mood hits me (:
Re: [Deck] Miracle Control
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Dzra
Yeah you definitely want to be the aggressor, but Counterbalance can buy you a ton of time. Their deck is full of 1-drops land fixers like Top, Crop Rotation, and Exploration Map. I don't usually have Meddling Mage in my board, but he seems especially good. What have you been naming first? My inclination would be to name Primeval Titan, but I could imagine cases for others. REB is also very solid and hits their FoW, Swan Song, SNT, and Repeal. I've been boarding out all my removal. I could see leaving in a Terminus or two for Counterbalance flips and last ditch answers, but usually if they get to a point where they've resolved a creature then you are in a ton of trouble.
Ok, that makes sense. I definitely like taking out all the creature removal, just like I do against SnT - if they make a man, we have failed.
I've usually been naming Show and Tell with Meddling Mage given that if they make a man with it can be hard to recover, even if that man is 'just' Primeval Titan. Most of the rest of what I care about is a guessing game of which tutors they have, which is a losing battle. Counterbalance definitely seems like it would help there. Pithing Needle effects on Eye of Ugin are helpful as well, but those seem to always get Repealed - Counterbalance would help there too. Hmm, I haven't played this out in a few months but it sure does seem like Counterbalance should stay in the deck.
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Damn it looks like this has been demoted :( hopefully a Miracles player or 2 can dominate to get us back on top .
Re: [DTB] Miracle Control
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Dzra
Ha. Well, out of our usual twenty or so players at my weekly Legacy, one has consistently been on 12-Post for the last six or eight weeks. We've been pretty regularly seeing each other by the end of the tournament. Last week there was also another 12-Post, but I don't know yet if he's going to play it regularly.
Despite about a 40% game win percentage (maybe a little less), I've only won two matches, both last week (which definitely padded the %).
Blood Moon is definitely good, but Clique is probably one of the most powerful cards I've seen against them. Entreat and Counterbalance are also very good. I've got some more notes on the MU if you want me to message you anything.
40% MW, assuming it stays the same post board (which it shouldn't) is around a 6.4% MW.
Re: [Deck] Miracle Control
I went 3-3 drop at the GP.
Started at 3-0, winning 2-0 against Jund Depth (CB + Jace + a few good plays), 1-0 against Elves, and 2-0 against UWR Delver (I used sdematt's trick of playing nothing and dropping land drops, then playing Top / CB pierce proof. It worked beautifully, forcing him to Pierce + Daze, Daze + Daze, and FoW my threats).
I then lost against a spanish semi-pro player playing Team America (with 2 Tombstalker --> 2 Confidant and 3 FoW / 3 Liliana) 1-2. I then lost to Elves 0-2. I know it's supposed to be an easy matchup, but my CB didn't get there G1 without Top, and he needled my on the first turn G2. Finally, I punted and lost 0-2 to Ant. I might write a report later once I'm not angry at myself.
I'll play a tempo deck tomorrow (bUrg or Grixis Delver) because Miracle is just too mentally taxing. Or maybe Drew Levin's "Blue Jund".
Re: [Deck] Miracle Control
PV's on Miracle and looks like he's 7-0 day 1, as of the time of this post.
EDIT: PV did a deck tech, he Only has 2 CB main deck, used 3rd CB slot for Ponder instead..., interesting. 4 Jace, 4 StP and 2 CS, 1 SP, 1 SS, interesting. No Verdict but 4 Terminus. Tsabo's Web and E.T. from the SB, Jesus Christ, PV you went Deep!
His build..., interesting.
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PV @ Paris
2 counterbalance
4 sdt
2 entreat
4 terminus
2 snapcaster
2 clique
4 brainstorm
2 ponder
4 jace
4 force
2 counterspell
1 pierce
1 s snare
4 stp
1 karakas, 1 mystic gate, 2 plains, 4 island, 2 volcanic, 2 tundra, 10 fetch
SB
2 ripeace
2 sfm
1 bskull
1 etutor
1 tsa web
2 ether canonist
1 wear/tear
3 pyroblast
1 clique
1 mountain
From decktech, full list will probably be somewhere.
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9-0 without Byes at GP Paris.
Greetings
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congrats philipp! time to up step up your strasbourg result. go4it! ;)
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conboy31
PV @ Paris
SB
2 ripeace
2 sfm
1 bskull
1 etutor
1 tsa web
2 ether canonist
1 wear/tear
3 pyroblast
1 clique
1 mountain
From decktech, full list will probably be somewhere.
Interestingly enough, this list by a trial winner
http://www.wizards.com/magic/mtgdail...come&decknum=2
Also has Tutor SB package and SFM package as well. This really deserves a better look, despite some streamers don't run it.
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Einherjer
9-0 without Byes at GP Paris.
Keep it up!
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Highlight of Day 1:
Paulo Vitor to me: "Thank you for giving me your decklist"
I'm really glad that the best magic player has chosen to play my list with some changes.
Disappointment of Day 1:
Only making Day 2 with 7-2, which really sucks :(
4 Jace, 2 Balance will be the stock list although Einherjer has chosen to play a 3/3 split. 9-0 without any byes is really sick. Good job my ftiend :)
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twndomn
... No it doesn't.
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Dzra
Keep it up!
If he keeps it up for more than 4 hours at a time, he should consult a doctor.
Knock them dead, Ein. I scrubbed out of a tournament I hosted. I had to mulligan like a champ today. It was really flukey. Oh well. Recorded my first loss with this deck after an 11-0 streak. I guess I had to drop a match at some point. I'll write a report tomorrow since it's 1AM now.
I still like the 3/3 split. Jace sometimes is just too much mana. Death and Taxes can be a swingy matchup, and today, I got swung.
-Matt
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Adryan
Highlight of Day 1:
4 Jace, 2 Balance will be the stock list although Einherjer has chosen to play a 3/3 split. 9-0 without any byes is really sick. Good job my ftiend :)
No it isn't. Other than PV, no1 runs 4/2. 3/3 is still the most common set-up, with a streamer running 4 CB. The interesting part is still SB. I remember that Brian guy also had Enlightened Tutor package.
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Einherjer just become top 8 this minute!
Congratulations!
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is he the one w/ altered lands and scarf?
Re: [Deck] Miracle Control
Yesterday I played 4CB, 3 Jace, 3 StP, 4 Terminus, 1 Verdict, 3 Entreat, 2 D-Sphere, 2 Tutor, and Humility to 5-3-1. Could've played better and got totally screwed on the draw against Junk (T2 Thalia, T3 Teeg). Could've played better against UWR, and my draw should've been a win but my opponent wouldn't concede G2 so I had to take the time out to actually kill him before moving to G3. Felt a little unlucky overall, but that's Magic. Deck's super solid. Tempted to switch either to a Snap/Clique build, or go with style and play Thassa.
