Printable View
Three miracles in the top 8, pretty awesome to see this deck finally getting good results like it deserves. It's also nice to see how different each of the lists are, can't believe Maxime top 8'd with maindeck Red Blasts. I'm sure Joe is thrilled to see that. Maybe we'll be lucky to see an all miracles final. :D
Einherjer on his way to the Miracles mirror semi-finals:
http://i1035.photobucket.com/albums/...10000000/2.png
GOGO Jace+CB/Top! :cool:
Congrats to Phillip! Besides playing well, he plays very fluidly... he's the Miracles' Feline!
Damn good job man! Good read on the meta :) Congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Einherjer
Maxime, you won game 1, lost game 2 to a 1-of null rod, but that game 3, you threw it away!
When he brainstorm in response to Hymn, he could have hide RiP, and then very likely jam it onto the board on his next turn, Bug's tapped out and I doubt Bug could FoW. Of course, Maxime didn't and Hymn took RiP away.
Looking at the lists this GP (including trials):
1. 22 lands is in every list (unless I omit something)
2. Ponder is in every list (unless I omit something)
agree, g3 was played sub optimally.
I wanted to play 1-2 Ponder for more consistency, but I was afraid of Spirit of the Labyrinth, so decided to play 23 lands instead (including 2 Karakas). It was a mistake. I should have went with 22 Lands + 2 Ponder. Even if they vial in a SotL in response to a Ponder, it's not that big of a blowout: I just lose one draw. It's a lot more problematic when they do it in response to Brainstorm / Jacestorm.Quote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
It seems like miracles always does well in high profile tournaments. I think the reason it does not do so hot in events like scg is due to the fact that the deck is mentally taxing and takes a long time to close out games. With that said miracles is probably one of the most powerful strats atm if it is being piloted by a competent player.
Another point, No Venser in the Top 8 lists. Only venser list was a Trial winner Florian Marx. Despite him being different, he finished 138.
Was really impressed with the pace of your game Ein, was actually a delight to watch a miracles-player play the deck really well!
Gongratulations on your top4, very well deserved!
Okay so I am back from the GP. I ended up 4th - here is my list:
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12902&iddeck=94661
This list was perfect, it crushed everything. I'll post a tournamentreport somewhere and link it here as soon as its up - as for now Ill give you a short summary of the matches, plus Ill answer any questions:
Day 1: Win against HighTide, Merfolk, Jund, Elves, Esperblade, Patriot (Joel Larson), Death and Taxes, Canadian Threshold and Reanimator(Loic Le Briand) (Feature Match)
So I went undefeated 9-0 without Byes, easy going, right? Those MUs weren't in any particalur order, just Reanimator was last. So Day2 was easy right, just 4-2...
At Day2 I started to win against Jund and BUG Delver, only to lose the Mirror twice, against Maxime Gilles and Paulo Vitor Damo da Rosa.... well... So I had to win two more. I did win against Sneak and Tell after those losses only to beat BUG Delver in the last round 1-0 in order to make Top8. I was in the Feature match - area for pretty much all of Day2.
So in the Top8 I faced Jean-Mary Accart with Boros Painter, which I crushed, only to lose the Semifinals against Maxime Gilles again.
This was the (very!) short recap, deck was outstanding, my plays were good enough to match the decks standards and so I crushed everything and everybody - just the mirror tended to be... well tough - I lost 0-2 three times. I have alot of experience with the Mirror but the opponents had outstanding techs against the mirror just as REB MB and Mystic SB.... Maxime seemed just as professional as I was with playing the deck and PV... well it's PV, right?
If you have any questions I can answer just shoot them away. And thanks for the cheering and congratulations! As said above I'll publish a full and lenghty tournament report at some website...somewhen.
Greetings!
meh~, Philipp the camera match you were on, it was speed Magic against the clock, even though you don't really have to. If you were up against Javier in the final, you would have crushed BUG. It was a great feat in the recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Einherjer
Hey guys,
some miracle information from GP Paris.
I did drop Day 2( Round 14) , i don't know if it was variance or something else. Does not matter. Don't want to bore you with details how i got destroyed by awesome draws of my opponents.
---
I did test a lot the months before the tournament and handed to some guys my decklist, after i felt very confident about it ( Einherjer, Stefan Schütz, who made Top 32 and PV and two other guys who failed to make Day 2, due to inexperience with this deck)
Einherjer and PV made some minor changes in the maindeck but PV somehow choose to completely dilute the SB, which was maybe the reason he lost to Reanimator. But nevertheless i was very impressed that PV did extremely well, although he didn't play the deck before.
He also was very nice, and talking to him was a lot of fun.
One conversation went like this:
"Why do you play SFM?" - PV: "Because I like it"
"But it sucks against Black decks with discard" - PV: "Yeah i know, but it's strong against Patriot or Controldecks, when they board out their removal, like against Esper or the mirror"
"Would you really board it against Esper, because it seems to not do much and they play Thoughtseize"- PV :" Yeah probably not, but maybe. I don't know, I never played against Esper"
I don't post here to take any credit for the Top 8 of these two awesome players, both players played extremely well and especially Einherjer really deserved the Top 4 (He is the fastest Miracle player in the world and 9-0 without any byes is really sick :D)
I post here because Miracle is secretely the best deck in Legacy and I'm sure that there is a best list for the current metagame.
Einherjer and I are going to visit the Legacy GP in the US, and in the meantime we will keep on working to make an even better list. I want to invite some guys to PM me here or on Magic Online, so that we can work on a good list and come up with something even better.
So if you're open minded and a good player it would be a good idea to share thoughts about Miracle, so that we then maybe have the best list for the next GP or BoM which Einherjer stated he is maybe not visiting because of the Block PT. But i doubt that he leaves out a chance to crush another Legacy tournament ;)
----
I want to try some crazy stuff like Leyline (decent at Turn 4, insane Turn 0 against Jund/BUG Delver f.ex.), Phyrexian Revoker (Sneak/Show hate) etc. and of course i will give Venser once again a chance, but as it stands now he's inferior to other choices. But i could be wrong.
I would have def. crushed Javier... at the GP I won 2-0 and 1-0 vs BUG, so it would be easy I guess. Anyways, I am a fast player, I always said so and I do not see a reason to play slow. Well I did stall INGAME, which is more than legal - doing nothing than remove creatures while sitting at 1-0 is fine. What I really hate is stalling outside of games, just borderline legal. BLARGH! I just cant stand those people... So I try and give my best at lightning speed magic... the only exceptions are scenarios which I havn't come across yet, they are not many, but they happen. And if they do I take my time to figure them out, but once I did that I can replicate those at a split second.Quote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
Greetings
I also played Miracles at the GP after being handed the product of the Einherjer/Adryan/Stefan Schütz collaboration. Unfortunately I missed day 2 at 5-3-tilt-drop. Deck felt really powerful and I'm not surprised it did that well in the hands of more experienced pilots. I'm pretty convinced this deck is the best currently in the format.
My results were:
Round 1 bye
Round 2 bye
Round 3 2-0 against UW Stoneblade
Round 4 2-1 against Deathblade
Round 5 1-2 against Patriot (first mistake on a bad keep in game 2, I should be ashamed of this result)
Round 6 2-1 against ANT
Round 7 0-2 against Sneak Show (second mistake in game 2 on an Intuition split - maybe it wasn't wrong at the moment, but it cost me the game in hindsight)
Round 8 1-1 against Team America - I'm leading comfortably 1-0 while the clock is ticking down, then completely threw away the match which puts me on tilt. Before kicking us both out with a draw I conceed to the guy and wish him best luck because it was completely my own fault.
So, with tighter play, the Austrian Miracles Alliance could have had another guy in Day 2 (or maybe even a 5th one, since the last of us was fairly close too, with 6-3).
It's not a secret, I think everyone here knows it's the best. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adryan
None of those are crazy - I've played Leyline on and off against BGx decks and it works great againt Liliana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adryan
I player a Revoker in the last SCG (Nashville) instead of a second needle to provide disruption and a clock - didn't play against Sneak all day but it was great in testing.
I don't have any card on Magic Online, but would be happy to contribute what I can.
People outside of this thread know about Miracles, people just aren't convinced, until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by alphastryk
There is no point running Leyline. If you're really concerned about Liliana, Runed Halo works against TNN, important part of Liliana, Tendrils, Grindstone, and Griselbrand somewhat. You might say Halo can be decayed, but BG decks all pack Golgari Charm SB because the fear of TNN. Hence Leyline is vulnerable to removal as well.
That may be the case now - the last time I played Leyline was pre-TNN. I haven't felt the need for that effect lately. Having lots of Cliques and the 3rd entreat attacks Liliana and the decks she is in much more effectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by twndomn
The question is what we need those cards for...I played against every competitive archetype except Storm and won everything, besides the mirror. Based on my list I would look to make suggestions to improve the mirror. Or just face opponents without MB REBs or SB Mystics... other than that... why change something that's working?
Greetings
Fair enough, I was just pointing out that neither Revoker or Leyline is new tech.
I would think more Cliques would help significantly in the mirror, and it is good against SB stoneforge as well.