[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

I expect a timeframe of about 6-9 months for learning, to pilot it on a decent level in tournaments.

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Agreed: that's by far the most challenging deck I ever tried to play, and probably the most entertaining too.
The only decks I know that could require the same amount of skill and experience are High Tide and Lands. The other decks compared to these are a walk in the park imho, ANT included.

I have to admit I switched back to ANT recently, because I think in the present meta the Tendrils plan is stronger than the Warrens plan, but I have no doubt TES is the stronger storm deck in the right hands.
The fact ANT collects more top8 finishes is, in my opinion, just because is by far the easier one to play, so most players prefers it to TES.

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

There are 2 well-known websites interested in hosting the Series. I hope you understand, that I cannot tell anything till the article launches.

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No problem, just please tell us where they are when they will be published.

Opponent on show and tell with leyline in play, I resolve an ad nauseam. Dig for chain of vapor but no luck. Make 24 goblins off wish pass turn silence on upkeep opponent responds with echoing truth I respond with pyroblast. GG.


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Originally Posted by PartyMonster

Opponent on show and tell with leyline in play, I resolve an ad nauseam. Dig for chain of vapor but no luck. Make 24 goblins off wish pass turn silence on upkeep opponent responds with echoing truth I respond with pyroblast. GG.


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As an Alternative (depending in your played cards obviously) you may Wish for PIF, flashback Rites/Rituals and Cantrips/Infernal to get hands on CoV and Wish for ToA afterwards. ;)



Edit: Testing my new potential SB-engine tonight!

This deck toped and event, its like a weird TES deck with too many cc4 in main. But just to show.

http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12562&iddeck=92104

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Originally Posted by Togores

This deck toped and event, its like a weird TES deck with too many cc4 in main. But just to show.

http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12562&iddeck=92104

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13 player online event with a list, that doesn't make the slightest sense (2x PIF in the 75, Pyroclams+Deathmark+Deluge) and I hate several Thoughtseize plus 4 City of Brass

Don't even bother about that, peeps

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Originally Posted by PartyMonster

Oh yeah and it was miss labeled as ANT, typical.


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Thanks - I totally missed that due to mislabeling! That's exciting.

I do see he's running the old list, but that doesn't mean it's bad. While we argue back and forth here a lot, it's really about making specific, MINOR changes to adapt to an evolving metagame. The core is still the same powerful engine, and any version can have success on any given day.

I, for one, don't think I'll ever give up playing four Silence main; it's just too good in most of my matchups to give up.

You can top a 13-peeps tourney with virtually any deck.
Going back to 6 protection spells seems VERY bad with all the blue decks around...

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Edit: Testing my new potential SB-engine tonight!

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how it goes ?

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Originally Posted by Jaycounet

how it goes ?

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Turning it on is too costly in the end. For BBBUU(U) I rather go another route ... Ill-Gotten-Gains-Syndrome much :/

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Turning it on is too costly in the end. For BBBUU(U) I rather go another route ... Ill-Gotten-Gains-Syndrome much :/

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Doomsday?

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Originally Posted by bennotsi

Doomsday?

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Looking at the UBR TES build, this is a long time ago consideration I had to run it on side TES as an alternative win cond. sure it is beeing negated by not having senseis and Ideas Unbound OR Meditate main, but exist several Piles wihouth Senseis or I.Unbound with some -not much mana requirements. The main dependancy to make any pile is to have a cantrip already and we have 12, I could add for sure I.Unbound to side even. but not sure, Im not planning to play UBR TESritgh now, for first time in long time I'm absolutlly happy with the list as it is - therapys+Empty+Gitaxian. Althoutgh for me D.R still is a must regardless having Silence or not in side.

I would play exact the same list as post but-3silence +3 duress OR +2suress +1T.Seize, exact same mana base (I'll try -1 City + 1 Fetch as much) , as in side will try to fit xantid, tropical and more things.


EDIT Example of Pile having ponder


Hand: 1 DD, (1 Ponder OR 1 B.S OR 1G.P), C.Mox, D.Ritual, Therapy,



a) Play D.R. -> D.D (B;+2St)

Pile: B.S., LED, LED, (B.S OR Ponder OR Preordain)., B.W.

a) Play ponder (BU,+3St) ;take B.S., Leave B.S. > LED > LED > B.W.
c) Play B.S. (BUU,+4St),; take LED, LED, B.S.; Leave 2X Cards From Hand> B.W.
d) Play 2 LED (BUU,+6St).
e) Play B.S. Leave 2X Cards From Hand;In resp Pop both LEDs ;Play B.W. to Tendrils (BUUU,+9St)

Variables:
you see you need to adtional cards in hand plus ponder.
So needing 2xcards plus BUUU in adition to mana for D.D. to generate 9 storm is not bad - you also have no need of G.Y. Dependancy.

EDIT17: Costed to express it.... Hope to be understood. it is just an example...

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Originally Posted by Pelikanudo

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No need to explain Doomsday to me, I'm quite familiar with the card ;-) I was merely inquiring whether that was the SB-engine Lemnear tested. I couldn't think of anything else requiring BBB and a varying amount of blue. I asked because if Doomsday were the card he tested, I wanted to point out that you rarely actually need double blue to pull it off. In most situations you'd use a cantrip and a LED or just 2 cantrips.

But I don't want to hijack this thread by discussing Doomsday too much, I don't think it's at its strongest in TES nor do I think that TES needs it right now. The only upside is that a single Burning Wish becomes more of a true business spell. It might become something to pursue in TES if, for example, the metagame shifts such that Empty the Warrens is no longer a reliable plan.

Yes, it was Doomsday. I'm so proud of all the smart wiz' in this thread :). However, depending on Wishing for DD and passing the turn or going for Gold in a single turn, the combo is quite expensive. A special lackluster is, that you can't use LED to pay for DD but need a damn Dark Ritual to cast it without having half your permanent manasources on the table already. I don't think a deck with Rite of Flame is suited for Doomsday.

Took 3rd place today. Losses to bUrg Tempo (drawing 3 Wishes + Silence in 4 turns while a single RoF or IMS would have killed him; game 2 I punted hard missing to remind me of floated mana via dices and fizzled ... Fail!) and to UWR Delver (Game 1: FoW, Daze, Pierce, Ponder, SFM, Fetch, waste ... Draws Pierce and Wasteland in 3 turns; game 2: I mull to 5(!!), Probe and see: FoW, 2x Pierce, waste, fetch, Delver, Brainstorm ... Can't beat that.)



Edit: Decided to aquire 50 FOIL Modern Masters Grapeshots and ~160 Goblin tokens just for visual showboating (see my new signature) :D

Just got a Japanese lorwyn thoughtsieze in the mail. Can't wait for scg Columbus this Sunday.


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Ended today 3-2 with tes
I lost vs reanimator and show and tell
I side -4 therapy - ponder -empty -infernal for +3 xantid +tropical +2 pyro +chain

But im not sure if he plays no leyline what to side.
I think -ponder -empty -infernal -therapy +3 xantid +tropical

That can be right i think. May be its silence for therapy or pyroblast are better than tehrapys.

I dont know sure.


Some help?
Thanks

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Originally Posted by Togores

Ended today 3-2 with tes
I lost vs reanimator and show and tell
I side -4 therapy - ponder -empty -infernal for +3 xantid +tropical +2 pyro +chain

But im not sure if he plays no leyline what to side.
I think -ponder -empty -infernal -therapy +3 xantid +tropical

That can be right i think. May be its silence for therapy or pyroblast are better than tehrapys.

I dont know sure.


Some help?
Thanks

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I'm not positive it's right to bring in pyro blast in against reanimator. The cards you care about in that match up aren't blue. Also reanimator typically doesn't run leyline. For show and tell though that side boarding configuration seems solid for show and tell.


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Im speaking vs sneak and show. Not reanimator.

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Originally Posted by Togores

Ended today 3-2 with tes
I lost vs reanimator and show and tell
I side -4 therapy - ponder -empty -infernal for +3 xantid +tropical +2 pyro +chain

But im not sure if he plays no leyline what to side.
I think -ponder -empty -infernal -therapy +3 xantid +tropical

That can be right i think. May be its silence for therapy or pyroblast are better than tehrapys.

I dont know sure.


Some help?
Thanks

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The first is a solid boarding plan. Do not alter it because of Leyline: Blasting S&T/Cantrips is good against them and you cannot be sure if he just didn't draw a Leyline in Game 2 but starts game 3 with it.

But if im 120% sure he dont play leyeline?

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Originally Posted by Togores

But if im 120% sure he dont play leyeline?

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He still does play S&T (which is a much faster threat costing 3 mana than the 4+1 mana Sneak Attack) and has to cantrip into his 2-card-combo or the Sneak Attack mana, no? ;D