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HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY DECISION MAKING SKILLS! FIGHT ME IRL, NERD.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
Ya, courser is definitely the weakest card in the 60 imho. Adding another pulse made me feel like I was overboarding with removal since I have 4 decay, 3 path, 3 deed, 1 vindicate with a deluge in the board. Maybe its better as a pulse.
Ajani Steadfast actually sounds pretty potent in Nic Fit. Has anyone tried it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MD.Ghost
I would much rather pay the extra G for mentor of heros or change the white to green for garruk. Steadfast REQUIRES a non-SS creature down or a bevy of pw/creatures to get value. Jamming 4 cmc pw in hopes we forcefield ult him isn't my idea of groundbreaking, matchup changing tech. lifelink is good but our life total is not nearly under duress enough to constitute him and even then sorin, SV is just better.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLK
Playing a PW has to do something when it comes down and will always be compared to playing anything else because our cards need to be pound for pound the best. We can play more expensive cards because we have ramp BUT that doesn't mean we can shuffle every BGW pw into a pile and pull out random ones to shove in open slots.
If any thread is as open to suggestions as ours, I doubt it exists on the source but I do not think the old pw's need to be relooked at for playability. Jund wont play tibalt and Ajani goldmane wont be in junk.
Ricardio, why do you not play Dryad Arbor in your list on the previous page?
:eek:
I've never been a fan. I don't feel it is worth the slot. pseudo into play tapped land that dies to removal. I've never wanted it in a match and I don't like its interaction with deed. The argument can be made for it in a 4 gsz but I feel tossing a gsz back into the deck for a DA is not worth it. yes, its shuffled back in, but now you have to draw another gsz to toolbox. GSZ are a precious resource and I do not feel comfortable swapping it for a lackluster land.Quote:
Originally Posted by TTX
Dryad Arbor is bad in most Nic Fits, unless you're doing something very specific with it like Natural Order. It dies to Deed and you'd rather hold a Zenith for a turn to grab an Explorer or DRS anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by TTX
also pod lists but those aren't really a thing atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Hi all,
Popping over from the Delver world just to try something new and spicy at my weeklies. What does a "stock" BUG Nic Fit list look like currently? That 4 color list with DEN looks hilarious
I dont think Nic fit and stock have ever been a thing. Bug doesnt really have set list as it has a few different ways of building it. I have always built it to be a low threat high card advantage deck that has high impact cards and the ability to grind out the game with a combo of planeswalkers and value creatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaytron
Would you mind sharing your list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom4ik
I saw the Notion Thief list on the front page, and I really just want to Notion Thief a Brainstorm at some time in my magic career.
Ralf has a handful of lists in his signature. you may have to look back a page or two but he has good starting points for you. The ultimate fit list might be where you wanna look haha
Thiefing a Jace is the best. It is literally all the value. I posted a rough list some pages back but I ended up not playing it and on saturday just playing my bug midrange deck instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaytron
I am looking to brew with some bug lists one of these days. Maybe with this new wall. gsz bouncing all the bros and replaying strixes and witness is super sweet.
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Originally Posted by Ricardio
I rarely use GSZ to search up a first turn Dryad Arbor, but when I do, it usually works well for that turn 2 Courser or Painful Truths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
I enjoy Arbor because it is great for surprise Liliana fodder off a fetchland (still catches many people off-guard), and it interacts with Meren
in a great way, coming back into play for free is pretty nice, plus I can turn a fetchland into a Cabal Therapy flashback if I really need to (against Storm or Show and Tell match ups)
If I'm in a match up where Pernicious Deed is a must, then I usually don't get Dryad Arbor, or simply
use it as a chump if available.
Im not saying it is bad and neither is Arianr, we just don't like it and so we don't play it. I am sure it is good in builds that accommodate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TTX
Did Jaytron find a list?
I mean, I think it's kind of bad. But, I'm also probably one of the chillest people in here. If you run Arbor and it does work for you, then hey, that's worth more than me voicing my opinion. Like, you noted about Liliana. If your metagame has a ton of Liliana, then I can see using Arbor as a protection method against her. But it takes some extraneous metaforce to justify Arbor, IMO, or else a unique deck construction (ie Natural Order).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Not quite yet, do you have one to share? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
All of this. I loved arbor this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by TTX
As mentioned, stock don't exist in here. But if i where to start testing a list right now:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaytron
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Baleful Strix
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Eternal Witness
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Thragtusk
1 Fierce Empath
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Deadeye Navigator
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Brainstorm
1 Painful Truths
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Tropical Island
2 Bayou
3 Underground Sea
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Island
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Phyrexian Tower
SB: 4 Force of Will
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 1 Notion Thief
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Glen Elendra Archmage
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
Ajani Steadfast is pretty lackluster. For 4 mana you can get either Elspeth, Knight-Errant or Sorin, Lord of Innistrad. They both produce tokens, meaning you can win from an empty field (where Ajani doesn't enable you to do so). Elspeth has pretty much the same + ability as Ajani, but better (+3/+3 vs. +1/+1) and at least she can build her own pumpable platforms and Sorin has an ultimate I find more useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by TLK
For 5 mana, as Ricardio mentioned, there's Ajani, Mentor of Heroes. He finds you creatures, pumps them up permanently (and again +3/+3 vs. +1/+1) and his ultimate is just silly.
@Arianrhod/on Recurring Nightmare: I don't like that it needs a critter on the board to be able to do its thing. Meren on an otherwise empty board and with an empty graveyard still would be able to win you the game. About Meren & Nightmare playing together nicely. Yes they do, but how big are the odds of that ever happening? It isn't something you should bank on. Nightmare also plays very well with Dryad Arbor, perhaps even better than Meren does. When it comes to inevitability - that's something both Nightmare and Meren provide. Yes, Meren might die, but Nightmare could be hit by AD/Reclamation Sage/Qasali Pridemage. In either case you probably still have Eternal Witness in your deck to get either one of them back. Eternal Witness is also a much more reliable way to get Meren back than Nightmare as you can GSZ for it (making it a 5-off in your deck at any given time as opposed to the 1-off Nightmare) and again it doesn't need another creature on the board to actually make it happen.
I agree Nightmare can do incredibly broken things, but I don't like that it comes with quite some strings attached when compared to other cards in the deck. But that's just my opinion :smile:.
Glissa is for...combat against Eldrazis? Is this choice too narrow(die to almost every known removal)?
Does Wiltleaf liege worth consideration? Target reality smasher with removal, discard liege to battlefield, pump rhinos to 6/7.