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Fellas, I dig up some Podcast with Cabal Therapy as the topic with quite some talk about it's use in storm (among NicFit and Dredge). You might have missed it so far like I did :)
Edit:
Episode 5 is all about TES!
Edit 2:
Ok, there a quite a lot points I disagree with in the TES podcast. Still a nice one for newcomers especially considering that it's 3 months old
Hi!
Small report, czech legacy/vintage series, 39 players.
Mine MD was same as is listed here. My sb :
1 TS
1 Tropical island
3 Swarm
3 Decay
2 Chain of vapor
1 EtW, ToA, DR, PiF, Grapeshot
(friends told me that there should be only a small number of blue decks, so I didn't place pyroblasts into the sb. Out of 7 games, 6 were against blue decks...)
Round 1 (Shardless BUG) : Both games were fast, siding was light. Therapies + silence did the job.
Round 2 (UB reanimator) : First game opponent burried Griselbrand on turn 1, reanimated on turn 2. SB out : Cabal, etw, Und. Sea, ponder; In : Tropical, 3*Xantid. Turn 1 xantid allowed turn 3 kill. Game 3 was bit sad. He burried griselbrand on turn 1. On my turn 1 I blind-cabaled his reanimation leaving him with notning in hand (we both mulliganed to 5). Unfortunately, he top decked another reanimation spell right after.
Round 3 (UW miracles) : Game 1 I stripped his hand on first 2 turns, but failed to find any acceleration in like 10 draws, so ho recovered and set up counterbalance+sensei. I don't remember exact SB, but etw + some usual cards out, in tropical + 3 decay. He kept FoWless hand with turn 1 sensei + turn 2 CB. I decayed the CB and killed him with AN + Tendrils. Game 3 was the most interesting game of the tournament for me. He open with Island and said 'go'. I opened with probe (having cabal in hand, but no chance to kill on turn 1 and little chance on turn 2), he shows me : sensei, BS, CB, Jace, ... . I cabaled him, getting rid of some blue card (he put CB + Sensei on top of library), I passed the turn. He played CB and passed. I draw ritual, so my hand had : BS, DR, AN. I played land and passed the turn. He cast sensei, I resp with BS (after resolving the sensei I couldn't get around the CB), his CB revealed land and BS draw dark ritual and something, so still with sensei on stack I played 2* dark ritual -> AN (with the second land) and draw something like 20 cards (unfortunately without decay), sensei resolved and he passed the turn. We knew, that his top card was land, so I played BS. If he put sensei on top, I would play petals, moxes, ... and kill him. He looked at top 3 cards with sensei but found no 1cc card, so my BS resolved and finally found a decay, which destroys the CB and clear way for the kill. I was a bit lucky, but the game was fun and enjoyable for audience as well (opponent was nice guy, so I didn't finish him with grapeshot, even though I could :) )
Round 4 (Punishing jund) : Two easy games, he SB 10 cards, I didn't SB anything. First game killed by gobs, second by AN+tendrils.
Round 5 (mono blue standstill) : He won the dice roll, began with Island. I saw him playing before, so blind-casted cabal naming standstill leaving him almost empty handed. SB in : swarms. Game 2 : Probed hand with no fow, played some gobs and won the game.
Round 6 (intentional draw)
Top 8 (Nic-fit) : Turn 1 probe + cabal got rid of his two Strixes. I saw some finks + phantasmal image, so I didn't want to play gobs (I did the math), so I've decided to go for PiF kill. Infernal tutored Dark ritual. Opponent knew my hand and said, that only therapy on top of his deck would save him ... and it was right there.
Game 2 : I stripped his hand, leaving him with only BS with hand. I played ritual, ritual, LED, tutor. He responded with BS and found both FoW and a blue card...
Final standings : 7th out of 39 players.
Conclusion : Deck performed very nicely, my lost games were similar : I got into a really good shape (or my opponent into a really bad shape), then either opponents top decked or I began to draw badly, but that's part of game (I was also lucky, for example against miracles).
We had our legacy tournament again yesterday, this time its in Resorts World Manila, Pasay City.
We had it 5 rounds and here's my MUs:
D&T 2-0
D&T 2-1
Gobs 2-1
Elves ID
Junk ID
T8:
Gobs 1-2
T8: Goblins 1-2
G3: I had a bunch of cantrips in my opening hand. he dropped his chalice for zero in his 1st turn. I used all my cantrips and they always give me LED, petals. No dark rituals or rite of flames. I lose to his battalion after a few turns.
here's the link to my brief report
http://mtglegacy.freeforums.org/post17.html#p17
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attac...1&d=1390194288
Mother of God!
wtf?
Thats a really op anti combo and control card...
Im sad now...
Draw-Combo and hard-control are pretty dead, so this is a downer for Show&Tell, ANT, High Tide and Miracles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Togores
Going to replace Decays with Golgari Charms or Dread of Night and call it a day! Congratz! TES is the only viable combo deck that can really ignore that hatebear by our Belcher-Mode
Be calm, it's just another hate bear, and while it may increase the total number of viable MD hate bears beyond Thalia, Guardian of Thraiban and Green Sun's Zenith -> Gaddok Teeg in a deck like Death&Taxes or Maverick it also increases the utility of Golgari Charm and Dread of Night while doing absolutely nothing vs Tutor -> Empty the Warrens. It doesn't even come down fast enough to stop you from playing your first or second cantrip in Storm and only restricts you to specific tutor targets when it does come down. Not to mention unlike Meddling Mage, which can actually blank cards you're likely to have in hand and need to go off by the time it comes down, no aggro-control deck is going to us this ergo they'll never have counter back up or the ability to name Burning Wish to eliminate Grape Shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
At best, this gets played in WW.dec or in some kind of Rock deck that can find a way to break the assymetry of draw effects with Dark Confidents or Sylvan Library and they already have 9 virtual hate bears ... so like WW.dec gets a boost in the arm? Meh, the whole of combo is probably fine.
Seriously, we worry about that?
Ad Nauseam doesn't draw cards. So that guy only stops cantrips and Returns.
So we cantrip turn 1-2, and go off via Ad Nauseam, Past in Flames, Empty the Warrens, you name it.
ANT also laughs about that dude: see how it dies to Dread of Night? And that's a 3/4-of in ANT already.
I'm talking long-term effects. If decks like Team America and Esperblade have to add up numbers of Golgari Charms/Zealous Persecution, their SB space is also well used against our Goblins. Sure it does nothing against our T1/2 combo and that's why I highlighted that. I still expect a rise of Junk/Rock/Maverick/Jund and lots of Charms/Dread of Night/Persecution in Sideboards in the near future, so do I see a drop in Miracles, therefore opting to chop the Decays for more variable hateQuote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
I dropped Abrupt Decay for Pyroblast awhile ago, I don't think a single deck playing Counterbalance is any where near as bad as every deck playing Counterbalance like it was years back; I'm not paying more than 1 mana for removal or a dead card when there's nothing worth removing ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Yeah, I can see Esper Blade increasing the number of Zealous Persecutions in their SB and BUG playing the full set of Golgari Charm as a consequence of this, the price of Sylvan Library and Dark Confidant is already sky rocketing so I assume there are a lot of people speculating on Junk becoming more viable.
So definitely Goblins get a little worse, maybe Thoughtseize over Silence gets more credible.
The big issue tho' is what happens to the Sneak Attack decks, because if the Sneak Attack decks have to start using Daze instead of Spell Pierce and Flusterstorm in order to address this hatebear game 1 then they are going to start losing ground in the battle vs Storm game 1 relatively as the efficacy of their disruption decreases against us significantly. That deck may have become a complete joke over night because it's no where near as resilient as Reanimator vs this particular hate bear ... that's just good news for us.
Hmmm ... I'm not that sure if Sylvan Library + SoL is smart. Doesn't it cause 8 damage per turn? Stupid question, but playing storm over years makes me forgetting about basic rules ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
Lemnear if you have library and spirit in play you draw just 1 card and don't loose life.
Simply said,library doesn't do anything.
Dark confidant on the other side is amazing,but i did not test him in my TES Sb and i don't believe that it's gonna be great.
Gents,just ignore spirit it does not affect our gameplan.
It only negates our draw-7 card in the sb.
- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -
Sylvans librarys effect draws card if you use it.
So with this hate bear.
U draw 1 card and pay 8 life.
So not a good deal.
It says: "You may"
So you just don't use it to prevent unnecessary damage.
- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -
I say "if" cause u may use it. And IF you do. This happens.
The good plan is not to use it.
;-)
My mistake, in that case it's pretty much just a decent MD hatebear to go along with the versions of Junk that want to play with discard over Thalia for disruption and need a more all purpose MD hate bear with assymetry. Maverick probably has to take a pass on it if it conflicts with Sylvan Library.
Missed the "may" in the Oracle Text. Thx guys.
Dark Confidant is crap. Tested it Mainboard; Tested it Sideboard; turned out a 2-mana cantrip at best
Confidant was awesome in Grinding Station or generally in Ant when Jund was Tier1 after GP Denver last year.
But these are different decks.
Well,it's not our plan to go into the grindy game so let's quit discussing about bob,it's not worth it.
- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -
If someone has not noticed it.
While being an enchantment it can be searched by enlightned tutor
Same as Cannonist. Did not miss it. The Death & Taxes matchup does not really change unlike they start to run MBT, Thalia, Cannonist and SoL in their 75. Before that, the sky's not fallingQuote:
Originally Posted by Togores