[Deck] Canadian Thresh (a.k.a. RUG Tempo, Tempo Thresh)

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Originally Posted by poxy14

4 RUG made it on the top8 yesterday in a 40man tourney...
I placed 12th (4-2) using the probeless/snareless built with 7removal main (4LB,2FB,1DIS) coz the meta here is FAIR, lots of mav,jund,bug,dnt....
SB = 3 subs, 1grip, 1grudge, 1pyroclasm, 1rough, 2surgicals, 2rebs, 1vortex, 2pithing needles (THANKS to BED DECKS!) and another dismember...

G1 = BURN
I was able to counter 3 Pops, and somehow before the pairing started, i switched back boarding my other dismember and replacing it with my 2nd Forked...
helped me a lot vs resolved lavamen..Goyfs ang Geese do serve great clock/wall vs this deck.
1 - 0 (2-0)

G2 = RUG (Jacky, made top8, with gitaxian less/2snares main)
Very good player, and we we're discussing things before the tourney started on how to sideboard well. this guy is very consistent, havine made numerous top8's with RUG the past tourneys..i wasnt expecting him boarding me roughs, he told me they were for goose..i thought u need to clear the gy first, and that's why there 2 crypts too, very clever...i just usually side out fows/pierces for surgicals (i love cutting them off from their colors, usual 3 subs and rebs..
1 - 1 (0-2)

G3 = GOBS
game 1 was easy as i was able to waste his port and drawn 2 forks, he wasnt able to establish his board...
game 2 was fast after he was able to establish a lackey with 1 lander and vial..he over committed his crits, coz that's really their gameplay, waited for him to unload his handfull of crits and at almost lethal, when he waste my lone red volc, i was able to stifle it and drawn pyro that i arranged on top from a ponder..goyfs and insects came to finish him off after wrath..

2 - 1 (2-0)

G4 = RUG (teammate Renz)
this time my sb worked well as i was able to draw 3 submerges and established goyfs vs his mongeese
3-1 (2-0)

G5 = OMNITELL = (teammate kitz)
i have a very good streak versus this archetype, was like 10+ and im very confident against this deck..
well, we reached game 3 after me getting game1...was long game with him on just 2 petals, he kept a very good hand and decided to go after thinking it for a long time, i didnt established a good clock with me drawing volcs, followed up with 2 wastes after mulliganing to already6...i surgicalled him early game (brainstorm) and saw, he can go off by just drawing a single land, he has lots of counters too..so i cant cast my delver and not be able to fire off my pyro when he combos off...we battled through on resolving defense grid, which resolves...and i topdecked a trop and was able to grip it on my turn with a daze backup, if he still were to off..he casts show which i dazed ofcourse, but he told me he was able to draw on that turn another fow (pitching omni) to go for the win! streak over!
3-2 (1-2)

G6 = UWR miracles (teammate erickson)
pithing needles (thanks bed decks!) did heavy lifting for my stifles, by pithing flooded strands and a resolved top...i was able to use lots of my stifles on RIP triggers and other fetches for him not to stabilize his mana, was able to resolve too a vortex mid game ftw!

Just short of the top 8, but i was satisfied with the result...
will be testing a revised SB next week. thanks guys for your time : )

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It's the dawn of the RUG here in our place lol Great and short report :) Jacky was also my only loss

Nice read, and I'm really gald I was helpful. I like Needle, it's really versatile and especially against DRS based decks it makes wonders. Im a bit surprised you played it against UWR fetches, although Needling the fetches was an old but solid tactic. Just that ZEN fetches made it a bit unreliable. :)
I also thought about bringing in Roughs in the mirror, as it's the only way how to handle opposing Mongoose. Sadly there's just a short window to kill the Delver, it does nothing against Goyf and cannot kil threshed Mongoose unless used in conjunction with Crypt which I hesitate to board, as the modern Thresh decks are not based on their namesake mechanic like they were in Mongoose + Werebear + Mystic Enforcer/Fledgling Dragon era.
Weren't the two Dismembers too hurtful? I thnk that you may easily switch one of them with Mind Harness as the most usual targets are DRS, Goyf and Kotr/Confidant; yes, the latter can't be stolen as it's black, but the other ones are solid enough: DRS may pay for himself and the other two kill fast. Otoh, not been able to kill the other targets (Germ, Tombstalker, Grunt, the already mentioned Confidant, w/e else) might be enough to move the Harness to "potential sb cards" box.

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

Weren't the two Dismembers too hurtful? I thnk that you may easily switch one of them with Mind Harness

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i did replace the last dismember to a forked and moved it to the SB slot...2 would really be hurtful..when youre facing a clock, even removing a good target would made them closer to the finish line..i'll be taking out that last DISM for another GY hate i guess..

@blindspotxxx: hope u can share your success here, i assume ur one of the top8's yesterday but wasnt able to meet u, 4RUGs inside! though i didnt make the cut, i was happy seeing the archetype i play blasted with force through a very healthy meta of fair and unfair decks!

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Originally Posted by poxy14

i did replace the last dismember to a forked and moved it to the SB slot...2 would really be hurtful..when youre facing a clock, even removing a good target would made them closer to the finish line..i'll be taking out that last DISM for another GY hate i guess..

@blindspotxxx: hope u can share your success here, i assume ur one of the top8's yesterday but wasnt able to meet u, 4RUGs inside! though i didnt make the cut, i was happy seeing the archetype i play blasted with force through a very healthy meta of fair and unfair decks!

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What do you mean meet? lol It's me Chris the guy with the Foil Preordain that has a poor condition. I will post a report tonight.

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Originally Posted by blindspotxxx

It's the dawn of the RUG here in our place lol Great and short report :) Jacky was also my only loss

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Was one of the 4 RUG's who made top 8. Was planning to play BURG (the deck I lost to in the Top 8) but I still needed a few cards, and I was able to borrow pieces for RUG so why not lol. This deck is too fun (my first time!). Might consider not building BURG and instead focus on RUG... :laugh:

My 1 loss was to Shardless BUG. When we can get a clock in and disrupt their mana, we're good. But when we give them room a wee bit room to play some bombs we're dead. Goyf is lackluster in this matchup. Need more Goose!

P.S. I played 8 fetches, 3 Trops, 2 Volcs and 1 Island because my friend left the Volc I was planning to borrow. Did help me at least once when my opponent almost loam locked me. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by sherko7

Was one of the 4 RUG's who made top 8. Was planning to play BURG (the deck I lost to in the Top 8) but I still needed a few cards, and I was able to borrow pieces for RUG so why not lol. This deck is too fun (my first time!). Might consider not building BURG and instead focus on RUG... :laugh:

My 1 loss was to Shardless BUG. When we can get a clock in and disrupt their mana, we're good. But when we give them room a wee bit room to play some bombs we're dead. Goyf is lackluster in this matchup. Need more Goose!

P.S. I played 8 fetches, 3 Trops, 2 Volcs and 1 Island because my friend left the Volc I was planning to borrow. Did help me at least once when my opponent almost loam locked me. :laugh:

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I will say this about RUG vs BURG: it's a hell of a lot more consistent. Your topdecks are almost always amazing and you never need to build up to anything; two, maybe three lands is optimal.

Was the single basic anything worth looking into?

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Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning

I will say this about RUG vs BURG: it's a hell of a lot more consistent. Your topdecks are almost always amazing and you never need to build up to anything; two, maybe three lands is optimal.

Was the single basic anything worth looking into?

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Unless you just wanna save up on a few dollars then I don't think its worth looking into. Steam Vents could have been better but I didn't have time to look for one just minutes before round 1 started. I was lucky enough that it was the Volcs and not the Trops that I lacked. :laugh:

From italian site
Swan Song.
Cc - U
Type - Instant
Text - Counter target enchantment, instant, or sorcery spell. Its controller puts a Bird Token 2/2 with flying onto the battlefield under his control.

Sideboard maybe?
Just figured I'd let ever mull over the new card

Edited. May need to rethink this.

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Originally Posted by trollking21

From italian site
Swan Song.
Cc - U
Type - Instant
Text - Counter target enchantment, instant, or sorcery spell. Its controller puts a Bird Token 2/2 with flying onto the battlefield under his control.

Sideboard maybe?
Just figured I'd let ever mull over the new card

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Better a 2/2 than a 15/15 I suppose. Not like 2/3 of our beaters couldn't handle a 2/2. Plus, kills sneak attack

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Originally Posted by trollking21

From italian site
Swan Song.
Cc - U
Type - Instant
Text - Counter target enchantment, instant, or sorcery spell. Its controller puts a Bird Token 2/2 with flying onto the battlefield under his control.

Sideboard maybe?
Just figured I'd let ever mull over the new card

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this could be a nice sidebord card! the fact that it can be used on your own spells makes the cut here. like: eot bolt shaman, opponent pierces, you swan your own bolt to get 2/2 flying instant speed, pretty nice.


other than that, I would like to share my experience with a rarely seen sb card: Compost
it was so amazing in my testing, I played 2 in side, boarding it in vs everything with black cards.

once vs jund I set up an incredible turn in which i killed 2 shaman and a confidant with a rough//tumble, drawing 3 cards off of it. nice thoughtseize dude, lose 2 life and let me draw 1. hymn to tourach? not that bad anymore. shaman? bolt it and get the bounty on his head! decay my goyf? I'll dig deeper. decay my compost? well, my other creatures will swing for the win!
And it did pretty well against the varous bug lists out there, not to mention it's SUPERB against storm, reanimator and pox variants! wanna talk about dredge matchup? nah that's just hilarous :p

I definitely think I will keep them in, at least as long as black is a common choice of this meta. what do you think about this?

I tested compost in BURG. It was siiiick.

I actually like it in RUG, too. Killing a Bob or DRS and getting paid for it? Nice.

I already thought about Compost but haven't found enough slots. If I'd play it, I'd use two of them, because as a one of, Sylvan Library seems better. But what to cut from sb is quite hard. Maybe I'll get rid of the grave hate...

http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/d...artchimera.jpg

So what do you think? Is this good enough to find a spot for?
I don't think we can cut anything else but Goyfs for it..
The problem with this card is its 3 mana cmc, which is a lot in Thresh and its 3 toughness, keeping him within Lightning Bolt range.

The card is so good, yet so bad because of bolt. You can't ignore the possibility of it sealing the game in a turn or two in the late game though. I might consider running a miser when it comes out.

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Originally Posted by Qtc

http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/d...artchimera.jpg

So what do you think? Is this good enough to find a spot for?
I don't think we can cut anything else but Goyfs for it..
The problem with this card is its 3 mana cmc, which is a lot in Thresh and its 3 toughness, keeping him within Lightning Bolt range.

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Powerhouse-Card for UR-Delver, which is being pimped a lot atm (nivmagus elemental, young pyromancer).

Don't think it fits RUG boards correctly with that vulnerable mana base and - yeah - bolt range. But hey, think of the life gain from swords ;P

Interesting. But is it more powerful than Clique? Which in fact doesn't even see play, at least main?

In Comparison (1 to 1) Clique is the more powerful Card (Flash/Hand Disruption/UU Cost better to handle as RU) for RUG. Chimera is pure Beater dependent from YOUR grave, Clique is more a tactical metachoice option. Not for free Clique has its legendary Status. I dont think Chimera will beat goyf in its beating position (dependent from ALL graveyards, grows faster, easier/faster to cast, allrounder). Chimera has its weakness in defense (bolt range).

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Originally Posted by haloquaero

In Comparison (1 to 1) Clique is the more powerful Card (Flash/Hand Disruption/UU Cost better to handle as RU) for RUG. Chimera is pure Beater dependent from YOUR grave, Clique is more a tactical metachoice option. Not for free Clique has its legendary Status. I dont think Chimera will beat goyf in its beating position (dependent from ALL graveyards, grows faster, easier/faster to cast, allrounder). Chimera has its weakness in defense (bolt range).

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Also, Chimera is affected by the exact cards that already hurt us (RiP, Relic) and is pretty bad in a 18_lands.dec full of Wastes. UR Delver, on the other hand...

It's more a card made for UR Delver - not RUG Delver. That's it.

UR mostly has 18 lands as rug but One color less and so basics that survive through wastes. Easier to cast for them. More consistent.