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I name LED every single time if I run Revokers for the reasons you mentioned. A single removal spell can reduce you to hoping you're floating some kind of relevant answer on top of your library with Top, and that's really not a situation I like to be in if at all possible. Storm is too resilient for us to try to get cute and name multiple cards: besides, cards like Crop Rotation, Relic/Crypt/Surgical and Trickbind can also answer some of those other cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by into_play
Are you serious? Oblivion Stone, All is Dust, Ugin, EE come to my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by maCHOOga
Mr. Smolinski finished 3rd place @SCG Premier IQ with U/G list. Many artifacts, 2 Trinket Mages and 2 copies of Flusterstorm main.
Excellent to see people doing well with their own takes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Postman
I find it interesting that my current Maindeck list is 2 cards apart from this, being 2 maindeck swan songs. Convergent evolution? Or Mr Smolinski has a feed into my computer!
If he is around I am very interested in his matchups.
Hey, Smolinski here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Lee
Good to see this thread is still kicking, when I first picked up post a year ago it helped me quite a bit with making the original list.
I too had swan songs main, but found I often wanted a more powerful counter when fighting over show and tells or maps. Swan song also felt awkward with my sideboard chalices. With flusterstorm I still get the copies.
As for the event, I managed to go 5-0-1 in the Swiss, followed by an ID into top 8. Most of my matchups fell into the "favorable but scary" camp. In order, I played against Standstill Merfolk, Miracles, Shardless Bug (draw), D&T, Chalice Merfolk, and Burn. The top 8 was littered with favorable matchups, with the only two decks I was unhappy to see being Aggro Loam and Aluren. Unfortunately, Aluren blew me out of the water in the semifinals.
Typing all this on my phone, will be happy to answer questions once I get back on a proper keyboard.
So I think I played against pox for the first time ever this evening. Ok eldrazi wizards, what is the plan against sinkhole into hymn into bitter blossom into nether void? I don't think I've ever got Rick rolled as bad as I did tonight. The matchup seemed abysmal, at best.
Avoid Fate?Quote:
Originally Posted by maCHOOga
It only targets Sinkhole; spell pierce or swan song are better because they hit all the aforementioned spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
Pithing Needle for Liliana and Wasteland, Flusterstorms for Sinkhole/discard/Smallpox.Quote:
Originally Posted by maCHOOga
Let them get greedy with liliana +1, repeal in response, make them cry.
Tefei's Response, Sacred Ground, Draw lots of land, show and tell - primetime. Pox is terrible against 12 post. When I was running pox, I would rather play against omni-tell, storm, etc. Show and tell into Titan is nigh unwinnable.
Play Nic Fit?Quote:
Originally Posted by maCHOOga
We play more land than even pox does, the UG players have access to show and tell which can be really tough for a pox player to come back from if you show in a titan. Always go for titan off show if you have the option. I have been on the wrong side of that play way too many times to count. You have to remember that pox generally has an extremely slow clock with very little card advantage or card selection. You have access to brainstorm, map, show and tell to more than make up for any type of advantage they may get while they struggle to close a game. Gaining even 5 life off of glimmerposts can buy you so much time when you are getting beaten by a lone factory, scroll or nether spirit. Some times pox will get lucky and your top decks will be shit, but most of the time pox is slow enough and lacks the card selection to actually keep you down long enough to kill you.
Don't worry, I got the prosbloom nicfit black vise deck out of my system already. Yeah that happened....Quote:
Originally Posted by moseby
After everyones feedback, I feel like I boarded completely boarded incorrectly, but that's what the weekly events are for.
For all those heading to GP SeaTac, may the odds be ever in your favor!
How did you board if I may ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by maCHOOga
Obstinate Baloth is a very good option against Liliana/HTT decks.
- 3 force of willQuote:
Originally Posted by mykatdied
+1 relic of progenitors
+1 engineered explosives
+1 venser, shaper savant
Failed to bring in flusterstorms & krosan grip. Likewise, I'm ready to start playing Flusterstorm over FoW main...I just gotta find one more. Lol
Out of the things you boarded I'm not a fan of venser. Mostly just because 1 Wasteland can keep you off double blue and he dies to scroll. Which may or may not be relevant. Ee is great and flusterstorm is nice as well. If you have spell pierce that usually gets there. grip is likely better than venser and that should probably come in.Quote:
Originally Posted by maCHOOga
I have been having great success with gitaxian probe, repeal, pithing needle, ugin main.
List posted after Saturday when I have a local event
Are people moving away from Trinkbind and back to Pithing Needle post-dig ban? They both have their advantages, and it's especially nice to have trickbind against wasteland blue decks. However, I usually find (with delver decks in particular) if they have a wasteland in their opener, they will try to use it as soon as possible- within reason. So the fact that trickbind costs 2 and not 1 is a big deal, especially when you don't have a crop rotation. Honestly I never seem to draw trickbind at the right times (right after getting wastelanded or in matchups where it's irrelevant) so I suppose it's given me a personal bias against the card. I think I'm probably going back to needle.
Unfortunately there's a lot of RUG delver in my meta and they bring in ancient grudge for needle. I haven't found a good way to win the RUG, and even BUG delver matchups. Relic of Progenitus pulls some weight, but last Wednesday I drew two of them while I got double wastelanded and he flipped 2 delvers. I was super dead. Repeal buys you a turn against delver, and that's not enough so they usually wind up killing me anyway. I've tried dismember but the 4 life loss is liability and you're really just playing into their hands. After that it becomes easier for them to bolt/deathrite you out. Does anybody have some sideboard tech for Delver decks?
There's something I wanted to question (I searched the thread but didn't come up with anything about this), and that's the usage of Brainstorm over Ponder. Yes, I get that Brainstorm is the sacred cow of the format and that you have to play it if you're playing blue etc. However, in a deck with anywhere from 8-12 shuffle effects (5 more if you count Primeval titan and eye but that's really stretching it) I've found it to be an underwhelming card. It's usually just draw 3, put two back... then draw those two anyway on your next two turns. That's great if it helps you sequence your turns a little bit better but not as good as ponder in my opinion. Most of the time to get your blue source of mana you have to use your only fetch, so you usually wont have a spare misty for the shuffle effect. Expedition map I would count as a legitimate shuffle effect, but there's no guarantee the time you want to brainstorm coincides with the time you want to crack map. There's reasons for doing one or the other and not necessarily both one after the other for the shuffle. Perhaps you want to wait on cracking the map until you get more information. There's a thousand different reasons for wanting to hold a brainstorm. That brings us to crop rotation. Crop Rotation is a miserable card but a necessary evil. It's something I rarely cast against blue decks unless I know they have no countermagic, I'll win if it resolves, or am responding to a wasteland. Crop rotation is something that usually rots in my hand against blue decks unless I'm about to die and am forced to do something. I don't run crop rotation out there to get two for oned/stone rained just because I wanted a shuffle effect for my Brainstorm.
So I hope I've made a decent case against Brainstorm in this specific deck. Maybe someone could illuminate me as to why it is the cantrip of choice in the deck. Yes, I get there are plenty of clunkers you don't want to draw in specific matchups, but the shuffle effect is not a sure thing a majority of the time.