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I recently started playing a main deck configuration similar to yours of 1 replenish 1 helm 1 RiP 3 sterling grove. So far the mild tension between RiP and replenish hasn't been a problem. Instead of red I'm splashing black for doomwake giant, which has been great as a win con and super useful against decks like DnT and maverick when you need to be able to deal with multiple hate bears. He's basically a walking one sided wrath of god every turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watersaw
I really do think this new approach of being a grindy, midrange deck is a viable option for the future of this deck. I mean, lists that have been doing well do pack things like doom wake Giant to beat face. I see lists with sigarda and here in Japan, one with monastary mentor x3 go 4-0 at an event. So what this will "turn their removal on." We have a draw engine that out draws the removal and a combo that finishes. I think "giving them a target" is not a good enough reason not to try the plethora of enchantment creatures available to us. If we stick to, like an old man who is tied to his old ways, the deck being the combo deck as it was, we will never evolve. Lists need to adapt and using the core draw engine to do unfair AND fair things makes sense to me. I'm going to try it out.
Are FNM legacy games okay to share around here? If so, then I'll start posting more often. Here's a few matches a played yesterday:
Played another game of Legacy at Comic Kings (VA), I played a few games of standard using a friend's deck. I don't really play Standard at all, but I just want to play magic. I went 3-1, then I dropped when the matches for the Legacy started.
Game 1: vs Reanimator
R1: He went first, playing ritual into imp, followed by discarding a fatty into the grave followed by an exhume. I don't recall what he dropped by i was able to go turn 2 argothian, turn 3 solitary and he was soon locked out.
R2: I boarded in all my Ground Seal, which slowed him down greatly as he kept a hand with targeted reanimation, and not exhume. He decided to go for Jin Gitaxias to try to stop my Solitary lock, but I oblivion ring the creature on my turn.
Later in that night, I, as well as another friendly guy in the store, was helping the reanimator guy with possible changes to his deck. He seems very passionate about reanimator, its always nice to see people playing with the decks they really like. Smile
(Also this lucky fellow won the free Force of will give away, which made a lot of people playing in the FNM lose interest when the free force giveaway is gone lol.)
2-0
Current standing: 1-0
Game 2: vs Death and Taxes
My opponent is rather discouraged that he's playing against enchantress, as he sill recalls our previous matches, I told him to not worry maybe things will work out differently. I honestly don't really this match as I didn't kept any notes on me. I do recall helping him build a deck that matches what he he wants to build based on his descriptions, so I introduced him to Soul Sisters.
but I won both games.
2-0
Current Standing 2-0
Game 3: vs UR Delver
I like this guy, he's actually pretty friendly. He was inquiring about my deck box that hes never seen as well as my custom playmat.
R1: He won the die roll, and he's knowledgable enough to know what deck I was playing, when I went to play utopia sprawl into my turn 1 forest he pondered immediately dazed my utopia sprawl. I honestly am not sure if this wise of him, I understand hes trying to slow me down, but regardless an enchantress is coming out on turn 2. He dropped delver and a swiftspear on his turn and passes, I played an argothian but he forced it. I passed the turn and he dropped another swiftspear on his turn and a attacked for a bunch with a few plays of gitaxian probes. I managed to play green Sun Zenith, bringing in Argothian, he attacked with again and passes. I'm facing lethal damage for next turn so I have to drop Solitary now with just 3 cards in hand, one of which is presence a wild growth and a land. I Managed to stabilize there and he scooped when I eventually dropped Sigil.
R2: I brought in a playset of chalice of the void, I remember my opening hand actually. It was a forest, chalice of the void, 2 utopia sprawls, wild growth, and an argothian, from my mull to 6. I decided to keep it, and the chalice resolved set at 1. It hurt my a bit yes, but I at least still get to draw cards while shutting down most of his cards. He eventually scooped, when he knew there was no out of the lock.
2-0
Current Standing 3-0
My delver opponent ended up playing against each other again in the last round, but he said he doesn't have really any answers for my game plan and just wants to play something else. We just had a friendly game with different decks and we helped the reanimator guy with his build.
G/W Enchantress
4 Windswept Heath (Onslaught)
3 Verdant Catacombs (Zendikar)
1 Savannah (Beta)
10 Forest (Guru)
1 Plains (Guru)
2 Serra's Sanctum (Urza's Saga)
3 Oblivion Ring (Duel Decks: Knights vs. Dragons)
4 Utopia Sprawl (Dissension)
4 Wild Growth (Alpha)
4 Sterling Grove (Invasion)
4 Enchantress (Onslaught)
4 Argothian Enchantress (Urza's Saga)
3 Green Sun's Zenith (Mirroded Besieged)
2 Replenish (Urza's Destiny)
4 Solitary Confinement (Judgement)
4 Elephant Grass (Visions)
2 Sigil of the Empty Throne (Conflux)
1 Emraku, the Aeons Torn (Rise of the Eldrazi)
//Sideboard
4 Leyline of Sanctity (Magic 2011)
1 Stony Silence (Innistrad)
1 Humility (Tempest)
1 Choke (Tempest)
4 Ground Seal (Odyssey)
4 Chalice of the Void (Mirrodin)
Savage. I do hope you mean that he Brainstormed, not Pondered, there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Claymore1
Also, how can you play the same opponent two rounds in a row at an FNM? Doesn't DCI Reporter prevent that type of pairing from happening?
I meant that, and it was just a very small turn out. I just decided to share my experience. Legacy is almost non existent in virginia but its slowly growing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESG
Just played another weekly legacy matches for FNM at a local store, the place had a really good turnout again for Standard, but very little for Legacy, oh well, Legacy here is growing slowly.
Match 1: vs Gabrielle (piloting Stoneforge Combo)
(1) First round is a pretty normal start, forest into Sprawl, but instead of dropping enchantress turn two, I decided to Oblivion Ring her Metalworker to prevent her deck from going too crazy, it slowed her down a ton enough for me to assemble my pieces and eventually I went have a sanctum in play, tapping it for a ton of mana, and dropping another one saccing the old one and making more mana to power up an Emrakul, it was pretty much game after that.
(2) Second round Was a bit harsh for me, she managed to slow me down with Trinisphere, followed by a Lodestone Golem, and another Lodestone Golem on the next round, and to really put a nail in the coffin she dropped Sundering Titan later on. I lost that round.
(3) Third round, I am on the play, I kept a hand with no acceleration, just 2 fetches, but I have Argothian Enchantress in play and Stony Silence in my opening, with other cards that I don't remember what. I managed to lock her out of the game wih stony silence, and using my Sterling Groves to keep grabbing Oblivion ring to keep her locked out while I look for Emrakul. Sadly there was 3 cards left in the library when I finally found him, but as long as I found him lol. She was only at 14 health left from all the damage she took from her Ancient Tombs, so she didn't survive an attack.
I wished her luck on her next game, after reporting my score, I soke to one of the guys in the shop, about random stuff.
2-1
Current Standing : 1-0
Match 2: vs Joshua (piloting UR painter)
(1) First round, I mulligan to 6. He dropped a Goblin Welder which I exiled with a Oblivion Ring. I had double Enchantress engine going on so I had no problem keeping confinement alive, I later won by attacking with some angel tokens generated by Sigil.
(2) Second round was rather weird for me, but I kept a hand that I wasn't sure whether I should keep, but I decided to go alone with it. I kept an opening with a Leyline of Sanctity 1 land, a replenish, and four enchant lands, which actually ended up well for me as I came across a green sun's zenith which resolved, allowing me to slowly get going. He got Painter's Servant in play and when I tried tried to Oblivion Ring it, he countered it with a Pyroblast, then a few turns later he destroyed my Leyline of Sanctity, and grinded me out, I flipped my entire deck but I told him that there's an Emrakul in the deck and when I showed it to him he started laughing. I grabbed Stony Silence at end of his turn with Sterling Grove and prevented him from doing anything with what hes got. I eventually got the Confinement lock and eventually dropped Emrakul for the win.
One of the spectators commented about how all my basic lands are guru lands and it became a conversation for a while since a lot of people actually didn't know what they are.
2-0
Current Standing 2-0
Match 3: vs Adam (Piloting Death and Taxes)
(1) First round, nothing much to say here, he dropped vial while I just went forest/Sprawl, and enchatress the next turn. Eventually he couldn't do anything once I have the engine going. He scooped and shook my hand.
(2) Second round, he played some Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, but I have enough mana sources for it not to bother me much, and not enough to stop me from assembling the lock. He scooped and started spectating some of the Standard games.
2-0
Current Standing 3-0
We had to stop the tournament short as the store will be closing soon, so I just spectated two guys playing Dredge vs Dredge, and before the store closes, I spend quite a bit and purchased the first print of Spider Gwen. I wished everyone well and shook hands and told them hopefully we can all play again next week.
My deck list I'm using:
G/W Enchantress
4 Windswept Heath (Onslaught)
3 Verdant Catacombs (Zendikar)
1 Savannah (Beta)
10 Forest (Guru)
1 Plains (Guru)
2 Serra's Sanctum (Urza's Saga)
3 Oblivion Ring (Duel Decks: Knights vs. Dragons)
4 Utopia Sprawl (Dissension)
4 Wild Growth (Alpha)
4 Sterling Grove (Invasion)
4 Enchantress (Onslaught)
4 Argothian Enchantress (Urza's Saga)
3 Green Sun's Zenith (Mirroded Besieged)
2 Replenish (Urza's Destiny)
4 Solitary Confinement (Judgement)
4 Elephant Grass (Visions)
2 Sigil of the Empty Throne (Conflux)
1 Emraku, the Aeons Torn (Rise of the Eldrazi)
//Sideboard
4 Leyline of Sanctity (Magic 2011)
1 Stony Silence (Innistrad)
1 Humility (Tempest)
1 Choke (Tempest)
4 Ground Seal (Odyssey)
4 Chalice of the Void (Mirrodin)
I'm considering playing around with random win-con for next week just to have fun, who knows, perhaps I may go with:
Forbidden Orchard, Defense of the Heart, and Emrakul/Progenitus
and just have fun with a different win-con.
So, finally got enchantress together on mtgo (Mostly. still missing leylines, but will hopefully be picking them up next month) and am toying with the idea of streaming some dailies with it. Thought I'd post here and gauge interest
If you stream legacy you get interest; specially with Enchantress its a beloved deck and few get to see it piloted.
I'd watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by U_mage
I'd watch!Quote:
Originally Posted by U_mage
K, I'll try to get something together this week. If anyone had some Leylines I could borrow, that'd be very helpful :)
What time will you be streaming under? And under which name?
I'm going to shoot for the last legacy daily tomorrow (8 PST/10 CST). Stream will be at http://www.twitch.tv/U_Mage. I'll start the stream 10 minutes before the event. If it doesn't fire, I'll try again on ThursdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Kulta
Are you uploading to YouTube? I would definitely follow you for some Enchantress videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by U_mage
I certainly can, channel will be http://bit.ly/1P6UfqZQuote:
Originally Posted by jaydprickett
Apparently I'm bad at time zones. Stream will be live at 7:50 CST 5:50 PST
welp, event didn't fire, one dude showed up. I'll be trying tomorrow at the same time
played paper legacy for two years, just getting into legacy on mtgo. I heard the mtgo meta is infested with combo, is this true? is this deck still a good investment? I'm on a bit of a budget, and I don't want an insane win rate or anything just 3-1 every few dailys of so. any help? this is my current paper list:
4 windswept heath
1 misty rainforest
1 bayou
1 savannah
1 tropical island
6 forest
1 plains
3 serra's sanctum
1 city of solitude
1 sphere of safety
1 choke
2 sylvan library
4 enchanresses presence
4 rest in peace
4 elephant grass
4 wild growth
4 utopia sprawl
2 energy field
2 suppresion field
1 citadel siege // this prevents the opponent from riding a single flying threat to victory
2 solitary confinement
1 monastery siege
1 in the eye of chaos // nice digs, pay 8 more
4 argothian enchantress
2 helm of obedeince
1 doomwake giant // death and taxes can't beat this card
sb
3 replenish
1 choke
2 carpet of flowers
1 oblivion ring // this package is for decks that are midrange or slower
1 helm of obedience
2 brain maggot
1 curse of exhaustion
1 solitary confinement
1 nevermore //this package is for decks that are comboriffic in nature, matches are still horrible, just not zero percent
1 engineered plague
1 doomwake giant // this package is for elves and death and taxes
I don't have any experience playing on MTGO, so I can't tell which decks are more popular than other. However Enchantress is a very fun deck to play in my opinion. Since its not something is seeing play a lot, you'll also be able to surprise some opponents.
However, against combo decks you'll have a pretty tough time in my opinion. It really just depends on how fast Dredge & Reanimator can go off before you can land RIP. Elephant's Grass also does a lot in this match up. Against storm Leyline can be pretty darn good. The real problem is that you can't counter anything. If you're on a budget and combo is heavily played I might look the other way though.
well budget is relative to format right? my legacy mtgo budget is $200 and i was looking at enchantress because the deck has play to it and is around that price. also, i wouldn't pretend to have as much experience with the deck as some
who post here, but leyline is completely worthless for the purpose of shutting down combo decks. COMPLETELY WORTHLESS. doesn't even slow them down. even if it did, we're 1.5 to 2 turns slower than the slowest combo deck in the
format. ANT will bounce PIF bounce, Omni will just go off as normal and cast emrakul or cuning wish for bounce, elves doesn't care, even high tide just goes off as normal and kills at leisure. I think that an answer to combo is neccessary if this deck is to have a future, because it kicks the ass of everything else as long as it isn't losing to it's own inconsistency, and even that problem is potentially surmountable.
tl dr : leyline doesn't matter, fair decks just lose, need answer to combo, should i buy in on mtgo?