Starcity's new buy list - Consequences?

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Originally Posted by Crysthorn

No. We've been there before: during the last decade we had such narrow, one-set/one-block only mechanics that have zero synergy with previous or next sets at least twice (Snow in Coldsnap and Arcane + Spirit in Kamigawa) and it was very bad for Standard. WotC won't repeat this mistake again.

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Both of those were so restrictive because there was no previous support for the mechanic, and there was no way for the mechanic to be useful outside of (for example) snow-covered lands. A slight modification to the mechanic (something like the new Phyrexian mana that can be paid for with actual mana or life) or simply more support for subtypes like snow mana or arcane spells. Another block with "arcane" sub-type spells would open up new doors for competitive use, plus it would bring back the kamigawa block type limited and standard, which was fairly engaging.

On another note, dismissing functional reprints of dual lands because the only option given was snow-covered duals is kind of short-sighted. You could easily make bayous by a different name with a zombie sub-type, tundras by a different name with a reindeer subtype, or whatever. Functional reprints of duals that actually open up NEW uses and synergies is what we're looking for, if *actual* reprints of duals are out of the question. And really, I'd be surprised if someone argued against that, since they're not replacing the old duals, just smoothing out mana bases to an appropriate degree for those poor souls (myself among them) that can't afford both the new ones and the old ones, and without punishing them like the Ravnica duals did.

Part two of my rebuttal is that the "arcane" thing wasn't used very well, since most of the Arcane sub-type spells were reduced in power level from their non-Arcane twins, in order to compensate for the effects and benefits they'd be triggering...but the triggers all sucked and there were like 3 of them. Or something. So, very rarely is Eye to Nowhere used, in part because Boomerang is rarely used anyway and in part because there's very few reasons to use a sorcery over an instant. So there was no longevity of use built into the spell itself. Changing that would be very easily, especially if there was efficient hate available. (U, Instant, Counter target Arcane spell).

This whole discussion is kinda starting to freak me out. On every competitive magic website there is discussion of creating an "over-extended" or have a massive banning occur in the Legacy format. I have been playing for a long time. Pretty much straight since revised (I sat out Kamigawa, yay me!) and I have spent a lot of money and a lot of time traiding to acquire the staples including my 40 duals which I just finished 2 weeks ago! I love this format and am almost ready to drop Standard completely and just play Legacy and limited. If wizards ends up banning cards like the duals this format is not Legacy any more. I do not want to play some "over-extended" format with shock lands and no force. I know I am not alone. WotC needs to face the fact that scg has pushed Legacy into the lime light and made it the second most popular format. While scg has made the format more popular than ever they are also being incredibly greedy and pricing people out. I am in a tough spot because I was ready to unload my shocks and filter lands to try and get some hard to get Legacy staples like Tabernacle of the Pendrell Vale and Impreial Recruiter. I hope WotC just realizes what a great format this is and reprint FoW & Wasteland. Then make some acceptable subsitiute for the duals. Think scars lands that are fetchable or Murmuring Bosk style lands w/ a less restrictive reveal ability. I mean WotC could solve all there problems by making Legacy a ptq format. but alas the restricted list...

Highly unlikely that over-extended will ever be a supported format. To make interactions with combo possible without Force of Will, Wizards will need to ban a ton of cards, only to have more combos resilient to Mindbreak Trap spring up, then more banning - hence more chaos than what RD is willing to deal with. Foil is not a viable substitute.

Can you imagine Belcher in over extended?

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Originally Posted by Worm1605

This whole discussion is kinda starting to freak me out. On every competitive magic website there is discussion of creating an "over-extended" or have a massive banning occur in the Legacy format. I have been playing for a long time. Pretty much straight since revised (I sat out Kamigawa, yay me!) and I have spent a lot of money and a lot of time traiding to acquire the staples including my 40 duals which I just finished 2 weeks ago! I love this format and am almost ready to drop Standard completely and just play Legacy and limited. If wizards ends up banning cards like the duals this format is not Legacy any more. I do not want to play some "over-extended" format with shock lands and no force. I know I am not alone. WotC needs to face the fact that scg has pushed Legacy into the lime light and made it the second most popular format. While scg has made the format more popular than ever they are also being incredibly greedy and pricing people out. I am in a tough spot because I was ready to unload my shocks and filter lands to try and get some hard to get Legacy staples like Tabernacle of the Pendrell Vale and Impreial Recruiter. I hope WotC just realizes what a great format this is and reprint FoW & Wasteland. Then make some acceptable subsitiute for the duals. Think scars lands that are fetchable or Murmuring Bosk style lands w/ a less restrictive reveal ability. I mean WotC could solve all there problems by making Legacy a ptq format. but alas the restrictive list...

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Originally Posted by Vaxe

Can you imagine Belcher in over extended?

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Still terrible?

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Originally Posted by Vaxe

Highly unlikely that over-extended will ever be a supported format. To make interactions with combo possible without Force of Will, Wizards will need to ban a ton of cards, only to have more combos resilient to Mindbreak Trap spring up, then more banning - hence more chaos than what RD is willing to deal with. Foil is not a viable substitute.

Can you imagine Belcher in over extended?

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Belcher loses SO much though. Without Petal, LED, ESG, Tinder Wall, etc. it's going to be rough to make the deck actually good. More importantly, can you imagine DREDGE in over extended O___o

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Originally Posted by Getsickanddie

Still terrible?

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Don't dismiss it so lightly. A deck that DOES NOT LOSE to anything without Force of Will is pretty ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Admiral_Arzar

A deck that DOES NOT LOSE to anything without Force of Will is pretty ridiculous.

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Except it's not that now, and certainly wouldn't be after it loses all the gas you mentioned above.

I still wonder why people dismiss that idea of overextended based on the prospect of combo. It's not like Force is on the reserve list. It's a likely candidate for a reprint as it wasn't overpowered in standard the first time. It was annoying as hell and I was glad when it left, but not uber super powerful. Overextended was probably just a fond wish someone had, but it was an idea that sparked enough interest for even Wizards to examine it. I'm sure if we saw a reprint of Force, we might as well expect overextended to follow. It would be one of the cards that would have to exist in that format to keep it sane.

If Force of Will is to be reprinted in Standard, I have just 2 requests and then I'm fine with it:

1) Please print it as a mythic rare so that they maintain some value. NOT uncommon.
3) Please do NOT bring Force of Will into standard while Jace, the Mind Sculptor is still in standard. Blue is too powerful with Jace and preordain as it is!

That is all.

I just hope that people are actually paying attention to SCG and other retailers (as well as ebay).

For example, SCG dropped their buy and sell prices, and have abundance of FoW's and Wastelands in stock. Same with others.

Yeah and friday they had over 30 Lion's eye diamonds including some foreign ones and on saturday they were all gone. They will continue to influence prices as they please.

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Originally Posted by sigfig8

If Force of Will is to be reprinted in Standard, I have just 2 requests and then I'm fine with it:

1) Please print it as a mythic rare so that they maintain some value. NOT uncommon.
3) Please do NOT bring Force of Will into standard while Jace, the Mind Sculptor is still in standard. Blue is too powerful with Jace and preordain as it is!

That is all.

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Reprinting as a mythic rare would do nothing to help availability. It would be as ubiquitous as Jace is now and command a similar, if not premium price. Price on Alliances version would go up as Standard players sought them out for pimp factor. Even if Force were printed as a rare, it'd be a $15 to $20 card. Still pricey but affordable to all.

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Originally Posted by SpikeyMikey

Reprinting as a mythic rare would do nothing to help availability. It would be as ubiquitous as Jace is now and command a similar, if not premium price. Price on Alliances version would go up as Standard players sought them out for pimp factor. Even if Force were printed as a rare, it'd be a $15 to $20 card. Still pricey but affordable to all.

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Jace was a mythic rare in a small set which was drafted MUCH less than some bigger sets. Look at Primeval Titan; even at its peak, it was only 35-40$. I'd suspect that reprinting Force of Will in a set that got Zendikar's or M11's print run would not lead to Jace level prices. Plus, it would be a reprint! Compare that to Jace, which was only printed once and likely will only be printed once. Plus, FoW won't warp standard like Jace did and likely wouldn't show up 32 times in a GP Top 8 (that is, AFTER Jace rotates out).

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Originally Posted by sigfig8

Jace was a mythic rare in a small set which was drafted MUCH less than some bigger sets. Look at Primeval Titan; even at its peak, it was only 35-40$. I'd suspect that reprinting Force of Will in a set that got Zendikar's or M11's print run would not lead to Jace level prices. Plus, it would be a reprint! Compare that to Jace, which was only printed once and likely will only be printed once. Plus, FoW won't warp standard like Jace did and likely wouldn't show up 32 times in a GP Top 8 (that is, AFTER Jace rotates out).

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I call bullshit. It doesn't matter if it was drafted alot, or not, Worldwake has sold out, and probably been opened as much as any other set that year. Print run was the same.

Print runs and drafting aren't a thing to be discussed as close variables, or anything else alike.

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Originally Posted by everythingitouchdies

Yeah and friday they had over 30 Lion's eye diamonds including some foreign ones and on saturday they were all gone. They will continue to influence prices as they please.

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How accurate is this? If this is true, credibility to SCG's so called "we cannot keep our inventory in stock" is highly questionable (I never believed it anyway).

Ben Bleiweiss,

Did starcitygames actually sell all of the LED copies?

Rather than have people speculate, I would like to know from you. I remember you mentioning earlier that you would respond to requests.

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Originally Posted by ramanujan

Ben Bleiweiss,

Did starcitygames actually sell all of the LED copies?

Rather than have people speculate, I would like to know from you. I remember you mentioning earlier that you would respond to requests.

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I have been watching their inventory and price on Lion's Eye Diamond like a hawk, and I find it awfully hard to believe that they sold out of that many copies in such a short period of time at $40.00 a pop.

Their prices on Force of Will and Wasteland have ironically dropped (ever so slightly) not because they have an abundance in stock, but because they had their prices set so ridiculously high that no one in their right mind would spend that much on a single copy. No one. So they scooped them all up and settled at a price generously above market value, reaping benefits all across the board. Now they are prepared to repeat this process and continue to make money off the willing.

Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Hollywood

I have been watching their inventory and price on Lion's Eye Diamond like a hawk, and I find it awfully hard to believe that they sold out of that many copies in such a short period of time at $40.00 a pop.

Their prices on Force of Will and Wasteland have ironically dropped (ever so slightly) not because they have an abundance in stock, but because they had their prices set so ridiculously high that no one in their right mind would spend that much on a single copy. No one. So they scooped them all up and settled at a price generously above market value, reaping benefits all across the board. Now they are prepared to repeat this process and continue to make money off the willing.

Pathetic.

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No offense; every post you have made in threads like this comes off like you are out to get SCG and are desperately mad at the fact that eternal cards now have elevated prices.

I have also seen multiple people who know you in real life mention how you sold your eternal collection to Eli for a ridiculously low price before bailing on MTG.

Instead of spreading rumors and second hand garbage trying to tarnish the name of one store that actually helps support Legacy why don't you troll elsewhere?

It's people like you who continue this incessant non issue all over these forums.

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Originally Posted by troopatroop

Blame yourself. I witnessed you sell your Bant CB-Top deck to Eli for next to nothing. Control your emotions.

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Seems like you're just mad about other things.

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Originally Posted by swoop

I call bullshit. It doesn't matter if it was drafted alot, or not, Worldwake has sold out, and probably been opened as much as any other set that year. Print run was the same.

Print runs and drafting aren't a thing to be discussed as close variables, or anything else alike.

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Apparently you have no idea what you're talking about. They are very closely related. Worldwake was drafted for a very short period of time and that had a great influence on the amount printed and opened.

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Originally Posted by lebron jim

Apparently you have no idea what you're talking about. They are very closely related. Worldwake was drafted for a very short period of time and that had a great influence on the amount printed and opened.

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Agree with the above. Especially since there was no third set of this block, as Rize was drafted as a stand-alone immediately afterwards. Packs of Zendikar are still $2.99 at SCG, while Worldwake packs are sold out at $5.99. So are you telling me that since the print-run was the same, a ton more Worldwake packs have been opened than Zendikar packs? I'm fairly certain that's not the case.

I will wait for a response from Ben, but it seems we will get something like "we cannot keep our inventory in stock"... because everybody now, just decided to play storm combo...

Really. i really want to be proved wrong, but as they are runnig the 5k circuit... people will buy those cards anyway, they are staples, so why not jump the price on everything ???

Please, stop ruining it for everybody...