[Born of the Gods] Spoiler Thread

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

Who cares what they should be called? They all run TNN and it's warping the meta towards decks with TNN / Anti-TNN decks / Decks that don't care about TNN (combo). Is that a healthy meta?

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My point had less to do with nomenclature and more to do with the fact they're named a certain way because they're the linchpin of the deck. They are not TNN decks.

I disagree with the level of warping TNN is causing. And format warping itself isn't necessarily a bad thing for that matter. That's what a metagame is. Different effects people have to plan around.

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Originally Posted by 2Rach

And format warping itself isn't necessarily a bad thing for that matter. That's what a metagame is. Different effects people have to plan around.

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This argument could easily be used for Hulk Flash or Mental Misstep.

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

This argument could easily be used for Hulk Flash or Mental Misstep.

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Indeed. But like I said, I don't agree with the degree of warping.

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

This argument could easily be used for Hulk Flash or Mental Misstep.

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Sure, but that would be disingenuous to the point he is making :)

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Originally Posted by 2Rach

Indeed. But like I said, I don't agree with the degree of warping.

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Just because you don't disagree with the amount of warping doesn't make said warping good for the game. Ergo, WotC will ban cards if they cause too much negative warping.

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Originally Posted by Tammit67

Sure, but that would be disingenuous to the point he is making :)

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The argument about a deck being a TNN or not a TNN deck is irrelevant. Maybe that's a secret joke...?

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

Just because you don't disagree with the amount of warping doesn't make said warping good for the game.

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True. And? I think the effect TNN is playing is being overhyped.

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Originally Posted by 2Rach

True. And? I think the effect TNN is playing is being overhyped.

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There's enough data to show that this is not the case. Anyways, this has gone off topic long enough. I'll continue this in the B/R thread.

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Originally Posted by 2Rach

UWR Delver was a thing before TNN. Did you call it a Geist of Saint Traft deck?

Stoneblade was a thing before TNN. Did you call it a Lingering Souls deck?

Deathblade was a thing before TNN. Did you call it a Dark Confidant deck?

BUG Delver was a thing before TNN. Did you call it an Abrupt Decay deck?

You're not following yourselves logically.

It's a good card with a wide range of uses. It's not a card that can be defined as an archetype.

But if we differ on this, let's just agree to disagree.

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Well they are TNN decks in the sense of they adopt 1 card (TNN) to replace other cards (confidant, souls, geist, tombstalker) to get better. They are not TNN decks in the sense of that their whole gameplan revolves around TNN. Anyway I think the point is that format diversity is hurt.

Am I in the BOTG spoiler thread? I literally just got done reading through a bunch of TNN rants in the banned and restricted thread, then found myself here in the exact same place.


Dafuq?

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Originally Posted by Norm

Am I in the BOTG spoiler thread? I literally just got done reading through a bunch of TNN rants in the banned and restricted thread, then found myself here in the exact same place.


Dafuq?

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I've seen SCD threads completely derailed into B/R topics, but never have I ever seen a spoiler thread with a full page of B/R posts. Wow.

EDIT: Come to our rescue, Nihil Credo!

What ever happened to talking about how shitty this set was?

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Originally Posted by Cire

What ever happened to talking about how shitty this set was?

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Spirit of the Labyrinth happened.

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Originally Posted by Cire

What ever happened to talking about how shitty this set was?

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Set is too shitty for me to even care about how shitty the set is. For how much "top down" flavor this set should be, it feel like crap. Enchantment creature in a greek block? What's greek about that? I CAN see scry, but everything else what the hell. Everything being a creature don't really sit in a set that should be about flavor: what about all the philosophers and we got what, 0 reference on them? Poets? No instead we get enchantment creatures, seriously. We got no lands of the city-states either. Instead we got dragons. Innistrad was 10 times this block was in term of flavor and i don't think it was done particularly well either, but at least it wasn't as ugly as this.

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Originally Posted by Lord Seth

Spirit of the Labyrinth happened.

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I smiled. Well played.

TNN discussions are really offtopic here. Just ban the damn thing! There is nothing more to say about it.

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Originally Posted by joven

TNN discussions are really offtopic here. Just ban the damn thing! There is nothing more to say about it.

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"Hey man, we should really stop arguing here.

P.S: Screw you!"

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Originally Posted by Lemnear

Rather than using their brain to combat that duo, they simply run it too.

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Playing a deck is a great way to learn its weaknesses/bad matchups and learn how to beat it. So, I can see people who hate TNN also use it for this reason.

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Originally Posted by Cire

What ever happened to talking about how shitty this set was?

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Not worth talking about.

SoL is good, Lion King might be good (but needs testing), the rest is shit. Too much overcosted crap or underpowered cards. Take Satyr Firedancer for example: It's an interesting card and would certainly fit a balls-to-the-walls aggro strategy, but a 1/1 vanilla body makes it incredibly underwhelming for said plan.

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Originally Posted by Gheizen64

Set is too shitty for me to even care about how shitty the set is. For how much "top down" flavor this set should be, it feel like crap. Enchantment creature in a greek block? What's greek about that? I CAN see scry, but everything else what the hell. Everything being a creature don't really sit in a set that should be about flavor: what about all the philosophers and we got what, 0 reference on them? Poets? No instead we get enchantment creatures, seriously. We got no lands of the city-states either. Instead we got dragons. Innistrad was 10 times this block was in term of flavor and i don't think it was done particularly well either, but at least it wasn't as ugly as this.

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It was more about myths and shit. It doesn't help that we already have a lot of Greek mythos imbued in our creature base (i.e. shit like minotaurs and cyclops exist already) . I like the flavor behind enchantment creatures but to each their own I guess.


I find it really strange how twofaced the community is about new stuff. We bash the new sets for being shitty, then get mad when they print stuff that actually makes an impact. I guess like most gaming communities we simply don't know what we want but we sure are unhappy with what we got. With the downside that Wizards doesn't seem to get it right either. :(

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The impact could be more subtle like Wear/Tear, Abrupt Decay, Craterhoof Behemoth etc. etc.