Fate Reforged Thread

If Dryad Militant isn't making the rounds, Mardu Woe-Reaper probably won't either. The life gain is the less impressive aspect of the card, IMHO, though maybe if you were trying to make like Soul Sisters work or something you'd want those triggers (except how many Warriors does that deck care about, so still NO).

2/1s for 1 are way less playable than they used to be, at any rate. Kird Ape is a guy we know, so is Loam Lion, and even those guys are less than desirable these days. Hell, Wild Nacatl doesn't really pull much weight in 2015, because it is not Delver of Secrets and doesn't really get along with Delver very well either, unless you're willing to go 4-color gonzo.

Mardu Scout :r::r:

Creature - Goblin Scout

Dash :1::r:

3/1


Does Burn (or Burn-adjacent decks) give a shit about this card? I could see this being a thing you'd want to draw just the once and milk for damage on an empty board (as Incinerate 5 - 2^57), then throw your burn at the face when this guy is either just a chump blocker or otherwise useless. So instead of constantly spending your burn spells on doming, you're using this guy to dome until you can't or shouldn't anymore, and he's harder to just kill because he's never in play during the opponent's turn. (unless you cast him, i guess)

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Originally Posted by TsumiBand

Mardu Scout :r::r:

Creature - Goblin Scout

Dash :1::r:

3/1


Does Burn (or Burn-adjacent decks) give a shit about this card? I could see this being a thing you'd want to draw just the once and milk for damage on an empty board (as Incinerate 5 - 2^57), then throw your burn at the face when this guy is either just a chump blocker or otherwise useless. So instead of constantly spending your burn spells on doming, you're using this guy to dome until you can't or shouldn't anymore, and he's harder to just kill because he's never in play during the opponent's turn. (unless you cast him, i guess)

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In Modern, I can imagine that they would. I mean, this little dork has basically invalidated Spark Elemental and maybe even Hellspark Elemental, and there was a time when those saw play.

Also, allow me to introduce: Comes Into Play.dec:

Creatures (26)
1cc
4 Glitterfang
4 Goblin Guide
4 Uktabi Drake
2cc
4 Mardu Scout
3cc
4 Primal Forcemage
2 Goblin Heelcutter
2 Giantbaiting
2 Ogre Battledriver

Other Stuff (14)

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
2 Red Elemental Blast
4 Aether Vial


Mana (20)
Forests'n'stuff I dunno

Hero's Blade 2
Artifact -- Equipment (U)
Equipped creature gets +3/+2.
Whenever a legendary creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may attach Hero's Blade to it.
Equip 4

Maybe with: Isamaru, Hound of Konda or act legends with haste? Tuktuk the Explorer, Skullbriar, the Walking Grave?

It can be funny with Rafiq of the Many - 7 double strike power attacking alone. (or Blight Dragon - 7 power attacking potentially hasted infected)

My first thought was playing/vialing in Thalia with this in play, but considering the outrageous equipment cost otherwise and having no utility compared to Jitte at a cost of :2:, this thing is unusable as far as Legacy is concerned.

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Originally Posted by MaximumC

In Modern, I can imagine that they would. I mean, this little dork has basically invalidated Spark Elemental and maybe even Hellspark Elemental, and there was a time when those saw play.

Also, allow me to introduce: Comes Into Play.dec:

Creatures (26)
1cc
4 Glitterfang
4 Goblin Guide
4 Uktabi Drake
2cc
4 Mardu Scout
3cc
4 Primal Forcemage
2 Goblin Heelcutter
2 Giantbaiting
2 Ogre Battledriver

Other Stuff (14)

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
2 Red Elemental Blast
4 Aether Vial


Mana (20)
Forests'n'stuff I dunno

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Heh :)

Maybe if Primal Forcemage were Pandemonium...? Or maybe I just fondly remember losing to Panda Burst many years ago. I guess 4cmc is a lot for not-Jace.

It does seem not-entirely-useless though, doesn't it. Christmas has come and gone, but Magical Christmas Land is timeless; I imagine a world where I'm free to spend turns after turn 3 drawing a card, Raiding this guy, and leaving mana open for the EOT Bolt-like-card to either go to the face OR to burn a dork that I don't want in play. Next turn, GOTO 10, and I'm spending one less spell to do about the same damages as I would have anyway, so when things get dumb I just unload all my 3-for-Rs right at target glasses because while I was playing Mardu Stitch over and over I was busy drawing all deez. That's... pretty Candy Land though.

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Originally Posted by .dk

I know everyone is in love with treasure cruise right now, but this seems insane with Standstill, Sensei's Divining Top, and Dreadnought.

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A manifested dreadnought is going to be tough to deal with given that turning the creature face up does not use the stack and cannot be responded too. In a list running dreadnoughts every manifested card is going to look like the end of the world when it hits the board. It'll also be really nice to turn mid-game chaff into a stream of 2/2's aimed at the opponent. Under Standstill manifest from a permanent in play will be a killer.

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Originally Posted by TsumiBand

I suppose if you can chuck your library into your trashbin fast enough and cast this for 0 with a deck full of like Kobolds and Phyrexian Walkers and Memnites and shit and then cast like Dark Triumph or Ramosian Rally or something -- or maybe just do the old Flame-Kin Zealot + Dread Return trick, assuming you have enough dudes in play -- then the card isn't totally without merit. Otherwise it's just a durdly combat trick for someone with too many 2/2s with First Strike in their deck.

You might maybe could pull some shenanigans with like, Ghostway or something, but at that point... who cares?

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if you are throwing your library into the grave there are significantly better things to do

Ghastly Conscription would be a lot more fun to think about if it had Delve, maybe (definitely) with a higher cost. As is, I can only assume it's mythic to keep it out of drafts? Am I missing something?

I really really want Rally the Ancestors to be cool, and it really really probably isn't. I have three possibilities unmentioned so far:

1. Convoke spells can be cast with the creatures. There's nothing really nasty in that toolbox, though.
2. Stuff with power keyed to number of X in play, e.g., Pack Rat.
3. Sliver alpha strike. Terrible idea, but if it even worked once at an FNM I'd probably go home happy. If slivers was okay already, this might be an interesting tool.

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Originally Posted by cherub_daemon

Ghastly Conscription would be a lot more fun to think about if it had Delve, maybe (definitely) with a higher cost. As is, I can only assume it's mythic to keep it out of drafts? Am I missing something?

I really really want Rally the Ancestors to be cool, and it really really probably isn't. I have three possibilities unmentioned so far:

1. Convoke spells can be cast with the creatures. There's nothing really nasty in that toolbox, though.
2. Stuff with power keyed to number of X in play, e.g., Pack Rat.
3. Sliver alpha strike. Terrible idea, but if it even worked once at an FNM I'd probably go home happy. If slivers was okay already, this might be an interesting tool.

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There's also ETB triggers, or creatures with useful non-tap effects like a bunch of stuff in the Elves! shell. Still seems bad.

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Originally Posted by MaximumC

In Modern, I can imagine that they would. I mean, this little dork has basically invalidated Spark Elemental and maybe even Hellspark Elemental, and there was a time when those saw play.

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But Spark and Hellspark Elemental both had trample, so chump blocking still meant damage; this allowed them to frequently do a good simulation of a Lightning Bolt. If this guy gets blocked, he just dies and no damage is dealt to the opponent.

So, I see a post about Sparky Ekementals next to a Rally the Ancestors post. Those cards definitely work well together. Rally the Haste.dec anyone?

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/...8527984595.png

Seems like a mediocre card for EDH... Well it could get there if you mill a lot. Even then you want all that EtB triggers.

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Originally Posted by HdH_Cthulhu

http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/...8527984595.png

Seems like a mediocre card for EDH... Well it could get there if you mill a lot. Even then you want all that EtB triggers.

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They overdid it with manifest in this set. Not enough focus on the clan mechanics in this set if you ask me.

On purpose as this set isn't meant to be about the clans as Khans has been.
Supposedly its about Sarkhan having to make the pro- or anti- dragon choice, represented by modal cards.

I don't mind less focus on the terrible (or terribly broken) clan mechanics, but I agree with Lemnear - they're forcing Manisfest on too many cards trying to make it a thing. I would prefer less, but more interesting Manifest cards instead of "same shit, but with with different +1/+1 counter numbers in different colors".

It's almost as if the set has been designed to be drafted alongside the set with no Manifest cards in it. Weird?

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Originally Posted by HdH_Cthulhu

[Ghastly Conscription]
Seems like a mediocre card for EDH... Well it could get there if you mill a lot. Even then you want all that EtB triggers.

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It seems like a fun way to rob some other player's graveyard. Though at that price, and since they've already borked the mechanic, it might as well just have manifested the entire gy.

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So, I see a post about Sparky Ekementals next to a Rally the Ancestors post.

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So Rally the Ancestors
and

Proclamation of Rebirth
Lightning Serpent
Spark Elemental
Uktabi Drake
Goblin Guide
Monestary Swiftspear

That might work as some kind of sligh approach.

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Originally Posted by Barook

I don't mind less focus on the terrible (or terribly broken) clan mechanics, but I agree with Lemnear - they're forcing Manisfest on too many cards trying to make it a thing. I would prefer less, but more interesting Manifest cards instead of "same shit, but with with different +1/+1 counter numbers in different colors".

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Maybe the core of the problem is the limitation of manifest of putting cards from the top of the deck onto the battlefield and you can only flip over Creatures. The mechanic had A LOT more potential if it was possible to manifest cards from other zones than the top of your deck, like graveyard or hand and if you also could flip over non-creature cards if you pay the cards cost.

I mean manifesting Lands just to flip them over for 0 mana in response to a removal spell or sweeper has serious constructed potential. Also: a 2/2 beater that flips over into being a Thoughtseize? Sign me up.

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Originally Posted by Barook

...I would prefer less, but more interesting Manifest cards instead of "same shit, but with with different +1/+1 counter numbers in different colors".

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Fierce Invocation and Formless Nurturing are pretty lame,and rageform is marginal but the rest of the manifest cards are interesting enough. And, to be fair, even those boring manifest cards offer more than their Grey Ogre equivalent.