Vintage Rector based decks would've LOVED this card back in 2003... I don't know if this enchantment is enough for people to start dusting off their old Rectors though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
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Vintage Rector based decks would've LOVED this card back in 2003... I don't know if this enchantment is enough for people to start dusting off their old Rectors though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
Cast Lightning Bolt. Without passing priority, activate Vexing Shusher, targeting Lightning Bolt. Pass priority, opponent casts Counterspell targeting Lightning Bolt.Quote:
Vexing Shusher (may have a spelling mistake in the second word)
Creature- Goblin Shaman
Vexing Shusher Can't be countered by spells or abilites
: Target spell can't be countered by spells or abilities
2/2
Stack looks like this:
Counterspell
Vexing Shusher ability
Lightning Bolt
Counterspell resolves, countering Lightning Bolt. Vexing Shusher fizzles due to lack of target.
As printed, this card doesn't work.
Show and Tell? :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
Uh... better minds than mine need to worry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
Cast Lightning Bolt. Pass priority, opponent casts Counterspell targeting Lightning Bolt. In response, activate Vexing Shusher targeting Lightning Bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by etrigan
Stack looks like this:
Vexing Shusher ability
Counterspell
Lightning Bolt
Vexing Shusher resolves, countering Lightning Bolt. Counterspell resolves with no effect.
As printed, this card works. There is no accounting for poor play.
Heh, I was editing my post to take out the redundancy. What would have been left was:
You're right that it doesn't "work" for MULTIPLE counters, though. They might want to think about that...
lol, I'd love to play etrigan in tournies...
Trust me, you'd win.
Why couldn't you just use the ability multiple times?Quote:
Originally Posted by mujadaddy
The point is that you'd HAVE to use it multiple times, at instant speed, after each counterspell was announced. This might be what they intended, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ihsan
Why is there a need to activate it multiple times when one time in response to a counter is enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ihsan
The more I think about it, this card should be a godsend for burn. Not only that it fights Counterbalance, it also helps against Chalice.
Nah, it sucks. For seven mana I'd rather win the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
Also :u: :u: :u: is not that easy to get.
Because in response, they can cast a second counter. Granted, sucking out all your opponent's counters at R/G is sexy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Thought Reflection looks like it might have a home somewhere in Vintage, but probably not Legacy. We do not have Lotus/Moxen/Mana Drain to help power out an early Reflection. Rector based decks died in 2003. Meh. It looks nifty though.
Vexing Shusher is clearly being printed as a potential answer to Counterbalance, in Extended where Vial isn't legal (also Krosan Grip sees far less play there).
It still dies to Bolt/Plow, but it seems like it should be good in Extended at the very least, and possibly playable here in Legacy also (I'm thinking if you run a BGw deck with Goyf, Bob, Hymn, Vindicate, Sinkhole, Swords, etc, you end up not needing the Krosan Grips in the board for Counterbalance and can run better hate for other decks, or in GoyfSligh, just wait to get to 5 mana, and then resolve this guy, and either PoP or Bolt + Fireblast for the win).
Worst case scenario, you have a bear (hence I'm not convinced it'll be playable in Legacy, you just can't play Meddling Mages, Silver Knights, or Goblin Legionaires anymore).
Hmmm... I'm not sold. His critter status makes him relatively easy for decks running CB to remove him. Thresh could bolt or StP him. He is reactive and ties up mana. Plus, he's a piss-poor beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I think he'll see play, but I doubt that he'll be a "godsend."
Why is everyone talking about Burn ? This little Goblin might have a nice home in TES and Belcher (sideboards)...Chalice and CBalance are the biggest enemies of those decks as well, and they have game-winning spells to resolve instead of Bolts...this might be better than Swarm in those decks !
I can kind of see how you would do that, since people side out spot removal against combo. It's like how Fetchland Tendrils could side in bob 2nd game to get a better advantage. Anything that can fight through Chalice and Counterbalance is pretty damn good, especially if all it costed was just mana, and not extra cards. He even beats for 2, which is like 1 less storm copy for Tendrils every time he connects.
That's an interesting thought - maybe he would be good for Belcher. However, TES would probably rather invest :w: to prevent counters than :1::g/r::g/r:. Also, would Iggy variants be able to support him?
I think this guy will have a nice home in type 4!!!! Aside from that he may show up in reanimator...we will see...This also kills this discussion that this was a pic of a twisted /Dark Doran...
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...91/cardsss.jpg
Well, what's been discussed is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Rotten
1) It dances around Chalice and Counterbalance... and even Dovescape
2) It protects Pyroblast for knocking out CB
3) It protects Orim's Chant
4) It protects Tutors
You can force a counter-war over Orim's Chant while bluffing your hand and go off the following turn...