[DECK] Eldrazi Stompy

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Originally Posted by iostream

I have played the colorless version of this deck to death and achieved moderate success with it. From my perspective, I basically don't know why people who are interested in the colored lists are trying to splash so heavily. For instance, why Containment Priest? We have a lot of fine colorless graveyard hate options, Sneak/Show is already pretty favorable, especially if you're packing a significant amount of Endbringer, and Aether Vial is not the reason why D+T and Maverick are hard matchups. Similarly, Ensnaring Bridge and Moat are just as well handled by World Breaker as they are by Krosan Grip (I realize Blood Moon isn't handled as cleanly because of the 7 CMC issue, but let's be honest: Blood Moon is not a common card in the format right now).

The colorless version has completely perfect mana, and you really don't want to mess that up if you can help it. The point of splashing should be to fix some weaknesses of the colorless list, ideally in a way that doesn't introduce new problems (i.e. horrible mana! inability to cast one's own sideboard!). So what are the colorless Eldrazi deck's weaknesses? The three biggest ones that clearly need to be addressed are: problematic utility lands (Maze of Ith, Thespian's Stage, Rishadan Port, opposing Wastelands), Stoneforge Mystic, and Tarmogoyf. Eldrazi Displacer and World Breaker have clear applications in those situations. Aside from those two, no other colored card that has been suggested seems to have anything to do with those problems at all.

If the only cards you really want to splash are Eldrazi Displacer and World Breaker, then playing Brushlands and Corrupted Crossroads is the way to go. It will give you many easy sources of mana to cast all your cards, Eldrazi and non-Eldrazi, alongside Cavern of Souls, Karakas, and Elvish Spirit Guide. The question is then: is this better than Wasteland and Mishra's Factory? Mishra's Factory is just a nice-to-have, I'll grant that. But Wasteland plays an extremely key role, since it's one of the few precious forms of maindeck counterplay you have against Rishadan Port, Maze of Ith, Thespian's Stage, etc. If you cut those to enable Displacer and World Breaker, are you really fixing that problem?

One last thing I want to mention is that Matter Reshaper sucks compared to all the other Eldrazi, but it's still pretty good versus the decks that don't have StP. It usually costs them a card, and the fact that it's yet another way to neutralize Liliana is actually somewhat relevant (since the Liliana decks are among our worst matchups). I think the card is underrated, and I've come around to it despite being a hater for a long time.

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Thanks for the feedback. Discussing the matter is definitely helpful.

About Priest: You're forgetting about the combo with Displacer, which is relevant in various creature-based match-ups. Aside from Dredge, Reanimator and Sneak/Show, Priest also slows down Elves and other random things like GSZ. It's an high-impact card in way more match-ups and it isn't just another GY hate card. I don't think at this point that cutting it is a good decision.
As for Vial and D&T, it is a critical card because it allows them to deploy their creatures while they use their mana to deny your's. I don't know if Containment Priest is good in this match-up due to the interaction with Flickerwisp.

Krosan Grip is a cheap solution compared to World Breaker's 7 mana cost. Aside from handling Moat, Bridge and Moon, it can also handle Equipment and random stuff like SDT. What is debatable is the number of cards to get the answers consistently enough when you need them and at a mana cost where you can reliable cast them before it's too late.

I disagree that SFM, Goyf and Lands are the only big problems - more people start to run stuff like MD Bridge, Moat or Moon effects to wreck us. The longer Eldrazi is in the meta, the more people will adapt. The splash manabase could probably still run a couple of Wastelands (see suggestion above for including 3 copies). While Factory is nice to have, I believe that the splash covers more weaknesses compared to it.

Given your feedback, running some copies of Pithing Needle (I'm thinking about two) might be worth it despite the anti-synergy with CotV. They handle problematic lands, Planeswalkers, SDT, etc. - what are the experiences other people have made with it? Revoker doesn't stop the "bad" lands, though it can block Storm's mana artifacts.

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What's people's experience with Bearer of Silence? Has anybody seriously tested it yet? After getting crushed against Bant Something (either Blade or Retreat) by KotR in game 1 and G2 by KotR + TNN while Dismember was sitting in my hand dead, I'm reconsidering my options. I cut my colored non-Eldrazi cards and replace Brushland with Corrupted Crossroads (which are functionally 100% exactly the same for Eldrazi) to throw in some SB Bearers to deal with such big creatures, including the mirror. Between Crossroads, Mox, Cavern and maybe Urborg (I would rather add Wastelands to the manabase before that, though), casting it should be very doable - even despite the anti-synergy of its cost with Temple/Eye. But I'm not eager about abandoning Containment Priest.

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Originally Posted by Barook

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What's people's experience with Bearer of Silence? Has anybody seriously tested it yet? After getting crushed against Bant Something (either Blade or Retreat) by KotR in game 1 and G2 by KotR + TNN while Dismember was sitting in my hand dead, I'm reconsidering my options. I cut my colored non-Eldrazi cards and replace Brushland with Corrupted Crossroads (which are functionally 100% exactly the same for Eldrazi) to throw in some SB Bearers to deal with such big creatures, including the mirror. Between Crossroads, Mox, Cavern and maybe Urborg (I would rather add Wastelands to the manabase before that, though), casting it should be very doable - even despite the anti-synergy of its cost with Temple/Eye. But I'm not eager about abandoning Containment Priest.

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Haven't tested it, but I did see this list on MTGTop8:

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=11813&d=267534&f=LE

Bearer is cute, but again, remember that you need 10+ colored source to play it and you can't pay for the on-cast trigger with temple cause it's only for activated abilities (another example: tabernacle is a triggered ability of your eldrazis so you can't pay for it with temple :2: )

10+ for black is easier, with 3 urborg and possibly 3 petals.

On another note, i've been playing my latest list with no changes, and i can't seems to optimize it further. I always find that i'd never want different cards that the ones i draw, or at least i find that different cards wouldn't make a difference more than my own cards.

On the other hand, i still have lots of doubts about my SB, and i think it's the part that need the most work. Some grave removal is necessary. I'm liking the ravenous traps as they kill combo tricks on T0, and differently from Leyline it isn't as bad as a topdeck, and opponent going off T0 won't play around it, unlike Leyline where he see that you have that in play. It's a bit tricky against reanimator (work only if they used a fetch to entomb for example), and not as good vs dredge obviously. Needle and or Karakas are decent vs Lands and Show and Tell, with needle being probably better in a vacuum because it's immune to wasteland. I'm playing 2 in the SB. Ratchet bomb is so slow but it's our only out to a lot of things, and can double as removal for delvers.

EDIT: my favourite trick up to now is probably having a factory untapped, pyromancer attacking me, pitch spirit guide block and pump to kill. SSG so good.

EDIT2: another thing to remember is if you play duplicant in your SB, to stack the trigger from mimic first so you get a huge mimic instead of a 2/4.

EDIT3: another problem that ravenous has compared to leyline is that it can be discarded and hurkylled whereas leyline can't, which make it a worse card vs combo.

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Originally Posted by Gheizen64

Bearer is cute, but again, remember that you need 10+ colored source to play it and you can't pay for the on-cast trigger with temple cause it's only for activated abilities (another example: tabernacle is a triggered ability of your eldrazis so you can't pay for it with temple :2: )

10+ for black is easier, with 3 urborg and possibly 3 petals.

On another note, i've been playing my latest list with no changes, and i can't seems to optimize it further. I always find that i'd never want different cards that the ones i draw, or at least i find that different cards wouldn't make a difference more than my own cards.

On the other hand, i still have lots of doubts about my SB, and i think it's the part that need the most work. Some grave removal is necessary. I'm liking the ravenous traps as they kill combo tricks on T0, and differently from Leyline it isn't as bad as a topdeck, and opponent going off T0 won't play around it, unlike Leyline where he see that you have that in play. It's a bit tricky against reanimator (work only if they used a fetch to entomb for example), and not as good vs dredge obviously. Needle and or Karakas are decent vs Lands and Show and Tell, with needle being probably better in a vacuum because it's immune to wasteland. I'm playing 2 in the SB. Ratchet bomb is so slow but it's our only out to a lot of things, and can double as removal for delvers.

EDIT: my favourite trick up to now is probably having a factory untapped, pyromancer attacking me, pitch spirit guide block and pump to kill. SSG so good.

EDIT2: another thing to remember is if you play duplicant in your SB, to stack the trigger from mimic first so you get a huge mimic instead of a 2/4.

EDIT3: another problem that ravenous has compared to leyline is that it can be discarded and hurkylled whereas leyline can't, which make it a worse card vs combo.

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How has Duplicant been for you, considering it's a 6 mana non-Eldrazi? Seems like a hefty price. I'm interested since it's another card that plays well with Displacer.

One of the beauties of splashing heavily white is that you can run RiP, which is the all aroundbest GY hate that also combats Goyf, KotR and the likes. Other hate cards feel kinda unsatisfying after using it since they aren't catch-all like RiP. Since I'm currently already experimenting with one-shot accel (ESG), why not go balls deep into white to support the "proper" SB cards via Lotus Petal instead? I'm thinking about something like this:

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 City of Traitors
2 Eye of Ugin
3 Wasteland
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Brushland
2 Karakas

4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
1 Conduit of Ruin
2 World Breaker

2 Mox Diamond
3 Lotus Petal
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Dismember
1 Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard:
2 All Is Dust
3 Rest in Peace
3 Containment Priest
1 Karakas
1 Dismember
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of War and Peace
or
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
That's white 11 sources (12 with SB Karakas) - 5 which are playable on T1 (hello there, T1 RiP!)

I still want to find room for 2 Pithing Needles in the SB. The SFM SB package is just an idea because many of our problems are creature-based - and SFM+equipment trumps creature-based strategies for the most part. Those 5 slots could be filled with anything else, though.

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Originally Posted by Holly

Painlands
Those are just here to fix your mana in case you splash some color and can’t use better lands for those colors.
Specially worth mentioning Horizon Canopy as it not only fixes 2 colors while still providing colorless. It’s also helping smoothing out your draws in case you’re getting flooded.

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Excellent work Holly - this will be in the DTB section before long I think. (MTG Top8 has it as 9% of the meta, Goldfish has it at 9.86% -
10.92% if you count the version with a :w: splash for Displacer).

As a small nit-pick, Horizon Canopy cannot produce :<>: :(
Otherwise this is fantastic!

The single duplicant in my sb always came in vs SnT and often vs things like more midrangey aggro builds running anglers and goyfs, and sometimes even in the mirror. 6 is a bit steep but it come in MUs where you either cheat it in or the board often end in stalls with huge creatures on both sides which can't attack . Vs SnT i had one game where i revokered griselbrand and then duplicant-'d it after some turns of stall which also gave me lethal with Mimic and was pretty nice.

It come out extremely rarely but it seems to do what it need to. It still has to be seen if it's better than Ashen Rider (which remove Omniscience) or if the added utility vs midrangey decks and even the mirror potentially is more significant. I tend toward the latter for now.

This belongs in the realm of speculation, but I expect one big eldrazi to be printed (possibly a black eldrazi) given dark depths produces a black token and marit lage is probably emrakul in disguise. If this is true, and if the card is castable (kozilk and ulamog got a CC discount too), Urborg becomes even more essential.

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Originally Posted by Gheizen64

Bearer is cute, but again, remember that you need 10+ colored source to play it and you can't pay for the on-cast trigger with temple cause it's only for activated abilities (another example: tabernacle is a triggered ability of your eldrazis so you can't pay for it with temple :2: )

10+ for black is easier, with 3 urborg and possibly 3 petals.

On another note, i've been playing my latest list with no changes, and i can't seems to optimize it further. I always find that i'd never want different cards that the ones i draw, or at least i find that different cards wouldn't make a difference more than my own cards.

On the other hand, i still have lots of doubts about my SB, and i think it's the part that need the most work. Some grave removal is necessary. I'm liking the ravenous traps as they kill combo tricks on T0, and differently from Leyline it isn't as bad as a topdeck, and opponent going off T0 won't play around it, unlike Leyline where he see that you have that in play. It's a bit tricky against reanimator (work only if they used a fetch to entomb for example), and not as good vs dredge obviously. Needle and or Karakas are decent vs Lands and Show and Tell, with needle being probably better in a vacuum because it's immune to wasteland. I'm playing 2 in the SB. Ratchet bomb is so slow but it's our only out to a lot of things, and can double as removal for delvers.

EDIT: my favourite trick up to now is probably having a factory untapped, pyromancer attacking me, pitch spirit guide block and pump to kill. SSG so good.

EDIT2: another thing to remember is if you play duplicant in your SB, to stack the trigger from mimic first so you get a huge mimic instead of a 2/4.

EDIT3: another problem that ravenous has compared to leyline is that it can be discarded and hurkylled whereas leyline can't, which make it a worse card vs combo.

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Is your list the same as you posted a few pages back? Are you still using 2 cities/2 eyes in your manabase with 4 mishra's?

The mishra's look like a good inclusion but are they better when running equipment? Are you still liking the SSGs as a 4 of?

With the Legacy Challenge coming up on MTGO tomorrow, I wish I had more time to hammer out my new, more white-heavy list posted above (aside from finding somebody who could lend me 3 Wastelands/Petals).

I also just noticed a rather nifty interaction between Sword of Feast and Famine and Eye of Ugin: You can tap your mana during combat, use the untap trigger, tap for more mana still during combat and then activate Eye. That lowers the threshold of 7 actual mana to 4 land mana (or 3 land mana + a nonland source) - something far more doable. Not sure how often that would actually come up, but it's something to keep in mind.

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Originally Posted by Barook

With the Legacy Challenge coming up on MTGO tomorrow, I wish I had more time to hammer out my new, more white-heavy list posted above (aside from finding somebody who could lend me 3 Wastelands/Petals).

I also just noticed a rather nifty interaction between Sword of Feast and Famine and Eye of Ugin: You can tap your mana during combat, use the untap trigger, tap for more mana still during combat and then activate Eye. That lowers the threshold of 7 actual mana to 4 land mana (or 3 land mana + a nonland source) - something far more doable. Not sure how often that would actually come up, but it's something to keep in mind.

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feast and famine is also pretty cool with mishra's factories.

Hi, please use proper capitalization. Not trying to be a dick, it's just site rules. Thanks. -zilla

Not entirely Eldrazi but if anyone wants to read a Colorless Stompy LGS FNM report is here

I think that is the natural "future" of this deck.

Pure Eldrazi has a lot of weaknesses. Card disadvantage, no permanent control, no stack control, no hand protection.

MUD has some cards to keep those problems in check like Coercitive Portal, Ugin, Bottled Cloister (very good in the mirror, also).

The point is to drop the "Eldrazi-mana" to get instead the 12 post mana.
It's also much cheaper by the way. You lose some explosive turn 1 Mimic, Turn 2 TKS, but you gain so much more in terms of reliability.

Ugin can come in turn 3-4 and you become a Mid range deck from there.

Also, Karn Liberated is a card

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Originally Posted by RhoxWarMonk

Is your list the same as you posted a few pages back? Are you still using 2 cities/2 eyes in your manabase with 4 mishra's?

The mishra's look like a good inclusion but are they better when running equipment? Are you still liking the SSGs as a 4 of?

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Yes to both.

Mishra as a 4-of allow you to never overextend vs miracles and give you some nice tricks vs pyromancers for example (use SSG to activate factory with no untapped mana and kill pyromancer). I found them really useful in a lot of MUs, shortening our clock significantly as you dump your hand.

SSG also make the MU vs 4c Delver bearable by itself being a counter to dazes and allowing us more consistent T1 chalices and thorns that don't kill your mana base afterward (aka City of traitors).

Mishra are probably better on the back of equipments, but Jitte is really, really slow in this deck. In all of my games, i equipped jitte on mishra maybe once. I still think it's better than the second dismember vs delvers and D&T though so i'm not removing it from the deck.

Miracle plays Mentor for chump block. Factories do nothing to him.

Miracle fears Trinisphere and Chalice, more than anything else.

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Originally Posted by Poron

Miracle plays Mentor for chump block. Factories do nothing to him.

Miracle fears Trinisphere and Chalice, more than anything else.

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For what it's worth, i've played more often vs Batterskull than Mentor in miracles. Card seems heavily underplayed, and it's pretty soft to all the rest of the deck basically.

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Originally Posted by Poron

I think that is the natural "future" of this deck...

...The point is to drop the "Eldrazi-mana" to get instead the 12 post mana.

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I'd be surprised. Those extra Sol Lands go a long way towads fixing the consistency issues in traditional MUD lists. Having to run all those mana rocks makes for a lot of all-mana-no-business situations.

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Originally Posted by Crimhead

I'd be surprised. Those extra Sol Lands go a long way towads fixing the consistency issues in traditional MUD lists. Having to run all those mana rocks makes for a lot of all-mana-no-business situations.

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Elves has the same problem. The deck has a half dozen slots more than Storm dedicated to mana instead of disruption, and it stings. You just end up vomiting unimpressive boards on the table. Shittons of mana and nothing broken to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Poron

The point is to drop the "Eldrazi-mana" to get instead the 12 post mana.
It's also much cheaper by the way. You lose some explosive turn 1 Mimic, Turn 2 TKS, but you gain so much more in terms of reliability.

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That somewhat undermines the point of playing Eldrazi as a deck. The reason to play these creatures is because you are able to drop them fast with a level of consistency that a deck like MUD does not have. A lot of that consistency comes from the overwhelming mana advantage created by the extra Sol lands in this deck. Cut them and you might as well just go back to MUD.

Also, 12 Post is not the answer. I played with MUD post for a while and I did not enjoy it. Mostly because it is a mana Base of two halves. You either get the 12 post mana and your gold, or you get the Sol lands and your gold, but if you get a mix of one and the other your in for a rough time. You have issues when the only thing you can copy is a Tomb, piling on the damage. It hurts when you look at a Sol opening, then draw Vesuva and Glimmerpost but no Cloudpost. It hurts when you draw the wrong half of your Mana base or you draw the right parts too late. I would trade inconsistent overwhelming power for consistent restrained power almost every time. Because while sometimes you will do crazy things with overwhelming power, most of the time you are just better off toning down that dial and just making sure the road is smooth.

in a deck were you can play Conduit of Ruin/Eye of Ugin into Emrakul you have mana that you complain of?

if you get to 13 mana quickly, cast immediatly your Emrakul through Conduit or Eye of Ugin.

I'd go for the 12 post mana base with 4 Conduit of Ruin and no Eyes

You lose explosivity, yes. Be bigger on the lock cards. 4 CotV 3 Thorns 3 Trinisphere MD

you can chain a turn 3 Conduit into a turn 4 Kozilek 1.0 or Ulamog 2.0..

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Originally Posted by Poron

in a deck were you can play Conduit of Ruin/Eye of Ugin into Emrakul you have mana that you complain of?

if you get to 13 mana quickly, cast immediatly your Emrakul through Conduit or Eye of Ugin.

I'd go for the 12 post mana base with 4 Conduit of Ruin and no Eyes

You lose explosivity, yes. Be bigger on the lock cards. 4 CotV 3 Thorns 3 Trinisphere MD

you can chain a turn 3 Conduit into a turn 4 Kozilek 1.0 or Ulamog 2.0..

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That sounds like it's own deck. If it is going to be a thing, it would be something that exists alongside this build not replacing it.

I'll test the list posted above (except with 3 Factories instead of Wastelands - for budget reasons and because I'm intrigued by the Factory + equipment plan). What I do like about SFM SB package so far is that you can customize alot of match-ups in an actual helpful manner.

I do wonder what equipment configurations I should run for certain match-ups. Keep in mind, my 75 have Jitte, SoFaI, SoWaP & SoFaF each. My thoughts so far:

Miracles:
SoFaI, SoWaP

Eldrazi:
Jitte, maybe something else

Grixis Delver:
Jitte, SoFaI, maybe SoWaP?

Shardless BUG:
SoFaF, SoFaI (?), Jitte (?)

Storm:
SoFaI, SoWaP

Elves:
Jitte, SoFaF, maybe something else?

BUG Delver:
SoFaF, SoFaI (?), Jitte (?)

Sneak & Show:
If anything, SoFaI, maybe SoWaP for a fast clock

D&T:
Jitte, SoWaP, maybe SoFaI

Lands:
???

Dredge:
Jitte (?), SoFaF for ignoring Zombie tokens (maybe due to being also an discard outlet for them, but from what I've seen so far, they don't like it)

Burn:
Jitte, SoFaI, SoWaP

Infect:
Jitte, maybe SoFaF?

Reanimator:
If anything, SoFaI/SoWaP for clock

I'd appreciate feedback regarding the equipment boarding strategy.

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Originally Posted by Poron

in a deck were you can play Conduit of Ruin/Eye of Ugin into Emrakul you have mana that you complain of?

if you get to 13 mana quickly, cast immediatly your Emrakul through Conduit or Eye of Ugin.

I'd go for the 12 post mana base with 4 Conduit of Ruin and no Eyes

You lose explosivity, yes. Be bigger on the lock cards. 4 CotV 3 Thorns 3 Trinisphere MD

you can chain a turn 3 Conduit into a turn 4 Kozilek 1.0 or Ulamog 2.0..

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

That sounds like it's own deck. If it is going to be a thing, it would be something that exists alongside this build not replacing it.

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Yes it is it's own deck, and a rather powerful one at that. Here is the thread for that deck... http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...o-Feat-10-Post

It's not quite what he is looking for. His claim is that Temple and Eye are wasted space in an Eldrazi deck, a claim that is in a word, idiotic.

My opinion is that the most important cards of this deck are the lock pieces: Chalice, 3sphere, Thorn.

If you have a stellar turn 1 and 2 with lock pieces, normally you can win with a TKS and nothing else.
If you don't see a lock piece, normally you lose also with 4 creatures because the opponent can dig to Bridge/Moon or Terminus.

Neither Temple or Eye allow you to cast lock pieces so, yes, my first choice is the post-mana.

This said: this deck needs 25 lands, so after the first 10 posts, you have to add the 6 Sol Lands and Cavern of Souls, and, then, as a residual choice, Eye and Temple.

I have to play them because they are necessary, but, to me, they are a third choice.

Also, I much prefer Ugin over All is Dust, and for obvious reason. That's also a win condition under Bridge.

Without Ugin or Karn how do you get out of a Meddling Mage on Ulamog and Bridge on the field? Really. All your removal is confined to "anticolor" removals.

How do we win against a Forcefield or a Bridge? Just Ulamog? Planeswalkers give you a new attack angle. It's just too easy to block a deck if he is focused on just 1 strategy.

3-0 in Leagues so far with my new "Xenoblade" list from page 41

The SB Swords were especially helpful G2 and G3 after losing rather uneventfully to a mull to 5 into T1 Thoughtseize. The Swords really shined G3 where I had to weather a hail of removal (4 StPs + 1 Council's Judgment) since everything (including my SFMs and Factory) became must-answer threats.

I'll investigate this list further, as I might be on to something here.

that's exactly what I'm talking about. He untaps, Ensaring Bridge, and do you shake your hands?

Ugin and Karn give you an answear to that as well as card advantage in a neutral case

Additionally, post mana base helps you to cast efficiently all the equipments and Revokers while you can't with Temple, Eye of Ugin, Wasteland, Factories, ecc.

In the end I am suggesting 10 post mana base in place of 4 Wastelands, 3 Factories, and some Canopies, Karakas or whatever fancy you're playing.

I keep my 4 Eldrazi Temple and 3 Eyes

Fish Dies to Moat and Bridge, people stop playing Fish. DnT hurts when you cast Dread of night so it is time to stop playing DnT. Elves hurts badly if someone drops Night of Souls' Betrayal, time to stop playing that too. Oh and AnT has a rough time with Chalice, time to stop playing Ant. Oh oh and while we are at it, Lands almost folds to Moon, let's stop playing Lands.

Everyone, Fish, DnT, Elves, AnT and Lands suck because there are answers to these decks, stop playing these decks, they are shit now.

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Originally Posted by Poron

He untaps, Ensaring Bridge, and do you shake your hands?

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Or I just cast an uncounterable World Breaker and laugh at his misery. :laugh:

While I do agree that the colorless version, while effective, is pretty easy to counter, I don't think that the very expensive Planeswalkers are the correct answer. Since you can't tutor for your Cloudposts due to running Chalice, you're at the mercy of random draws while also having to deal with random hiccups from ETB tapped lands. If it works, it's great, but when it doesn't, not so much.

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

It's not quite what he is looking for. His claim is that Temple and Eye are wasted space in an Eldrazi deck, a claim that is in a word, idiotic.

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The argument is certainly valid as it pertains to Temple, but it requires a deckbuilding shift away from any mimics in deck. The whole point here would be to have half [literally] of your land base able to make 2mana on turn one, and ~16-18 plays at 2 mana [lock pieces]. Followup being metamorphs, crucible, TKS (and maybe lodestone...maybe), then the bigger guys with eye tutoring (some copies of smasher, endbringer, and a 1x ulamog).
There's two ways to go with colorless Eldrazi; either you're powering up a modern deck (going for the mimic smasher alpha strike) or you're more ideologically similar to other Eye inevitability decks [like 12-post] except that you get there by opening more like a Shops deck.

@poron chalice, thorn, and thorn [aka metamorph]. Trinisphere is pretty suspect in eldrazi, you're going to get wasted under it giving opponents time to stabilize. You should not need 3-ball on top of all the other hate to beat storm. The deck you are talking about isn't eldrazi, it's classic MUD with TKS added (and it's a good addition). The two approaches to eldrazi outlined above try to do very different things than MUD, and that plan does not include playing lands that come in tapped, especially since they generally incorporate Winter Orb.

And I finished the league 5-0 - not too shabby for the first run of my new list.

R1: Storm (no idea if ANT or TES, didn't see enough, probably ANT) - got wrecked by my lock pieces
R2: Infect - Displacer MVP
R3: Esper Stoneblade - MVP: Stoneforge equipment plan post-board
R4: Aggro Eldrazi - MVP - Displacer: Killed 2 Endless One G1 and won me G3 thanks to the combo with Priest
R5: Bantblade - MVP - Chalice + Displacer/Priest: This match-up was nothing short of a nightmare - Wasteland, SFM, KotR, TNN, you name it. Still pulled through thanks to T1 Chalice with Priest + Displacer combo follow-up G2 and G3

Overall, I'm very pleased with my new list since it still contains all the high impact white cards that I loved in my original GW build, but also has more speed due to Petals, City & Mimic. The post-board Stoneforge plan is definitely something I'll keep testing as it looks very promising due its high impact and amount of customization. The amount of white mana I run seems stable enough.

One thing I noticed is that the Esper & Bant Stoneblade and the Eldrazi match were all decisively decided by white SB cards.

Before people ask, here's the list again:

4 Ancient Tomb
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 City of Traitors
2 Eye of Ugin
3 Mishra's Factory
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Brushland
2 Karakas

4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
1 Conduit of Ruin
2 World Breaker

2 Mox Diamond
3 Lotus Petal
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Dismember
1 Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard:
2 All Is Dust
3 Rest in Peace
3 Containment Priest
1 Karakas
1 Dismember
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of War and Peace

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Originally Posted by Barook

Overall, I'm very pleased with my new list since it still contains all the high impact white cards that I loved in my original GW build, but also has more speed due to Petals, City & Mimic. The post-board Stoneforge plan is definitely something I'll keep testing as it looks very promising due its high impact and amount of customization. The amount of white mana I run seems stable enough.

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Out of curiosity, is the equipment plan really helping against non-SFM decks? If not, you may consider saving slots and just copying their SFMs with Metamorphs?

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Originally Posted by Fox

Out of curiosity, is the equipment plan really helping against non-SFM decks?

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I do think so, although it's debatable which equipment is necessary against which deck (see my post on top of the page). I won't be able to do extensive testing before next week, but my theory behind the whole SFM plan is adaption against any colored strategy via the Swords. Thus, Metamorph doesn't really fit into this plan.

First post ever so here we go.

Haven’t been playing legacy for more than bit over a month now (limit has been my thing). Got excited about constructed Magic in general after playing in a local modern tournament a while ago. So now playing 95% modo preparing for GP Prague.

Had a lot of success with mono color Eldrazi for some time and after it started feeling not a great choice (at least for me) I started tinkering with GR version (still need to test W(x) version).

My current build is below. I’ve been doing quite well with it (several 4-1) but 5-0 has eluded me still. I feel like it has potential but thought more experienced players could give some feedback perhaps. I’ll write my own analysis and experiences then.


4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Endless One
1 Endbringer
1 World Breaker
2 Phyrexian Metamorph

4 Chalice of the Void
2 Trinisphere
3 Mox Diamond

2 Warping Wail
2 Dismember
2 Punishing Fire

4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
3 City of Traitors
3 Wasteland
4 Grove of the Burnwillows

4 Leyline of the Void
2 Krosan Grip
2 Kozilek’s Return
1 Dismember
1 Warping Wail
2 Pithing Needle
3 Sphere of Resistance

As a few guys in here mentioned, I think to build a adequite SB is a really tricky.
What really sucks are Goyfs, Anglers, Knights, flipped delvers .... I really would love to play Toxic deluge. But how to realize the needed mana. What about playing 2 Urborg and 1 Bojuka Bog main and another 1-2 Bojuka Bog in the SB.
This way we got enough black sources and additionally hate against Goyf (Bojuka bog) and Reanimator/Dredge ...
I think playing black gives us new possibilities.
- dismember becomes less harmful
- Toxic deluge is playable (fantastic against a lot of decks)
- infest (against elves or Dnt) => the 2 black could be a problem though
- perish (against Maverick and Elves) => maybe not good enough in the current meta

Mana Base: 25-26 Lands
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Cities
3 Wastelands
4 Cavern of souls
2 Urborg
1 Bojuka Bog
3-4 Eye of Ugin


would appreciate comments. thanks

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Originally Posted by josch6083

As a few guys in here mentioned, I think to build a adequite SB is a really tricky.
What really sucks are Goyfs, Anglers, Knights, flipped delvers .... I really would love to play Toxic deluge. But how to realize the needed mana. What about playing 2 Urborg and 1 Bojuka Bog main and another 1-2 Bojuka Bog in the SB.
This way we got enough black sources and additionally hate against Goyf (Bojuka bog) and Reanimator/Dredge ...
I think playing black gives us new possibilities.
- dismember becomes less harmful
- Toxic deluge is playable (fantastic against a lot of decks)
- infest (against elves or Dnt) => the 2 black could be a problem though
- perish (against Maverick and Elves) => maybe not good enough in the current meta

Mana Base: 25-26 Lands
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Cities
3 Wastelands
4 Cavern of souls
2 Urborg
1 Bojuka Bog
3-4 Eye of Ugin


would appreciate comments. thanks

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Currently i tinker with a Junk-Build: gbW-Devoid with Displacer, Bearer and World Breaker (and Dismember etc.) looks solid so far and addresses a wide range of problematic creatures from Mirror-Stuff, Gofy, Angler, Knights, TNN to BigOnes like Emrakul or Marit Lage.

Barook and i already mentioned, that it isn't easy to include Non-Eldrazi cards with a color. 2 Urborg and 1 Bojuka Bog is not enough to support cards like Toxic Deluge, unless you are really lucky.
For reference:
http://www.channelfireball.com/artic...t-your-spells/
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ase-2014-11-24 (little more casual from Wizards^^)

If we only talk about Devoid-Spells, Corrupted Crossroads is an option (with the common 4 of Cavern!) otherwise you have to mix Mox Diamond, stuff like Brushland or follow Barooks Ideas for (g)W with spicy lands like Karakas.

Yesterday i faced Miracle with Maindeck Moat+Moon+EE and Side Humility - i was capable to stay in the game, but it was very grindy and i needed a lot of Answer vs the Hate. I expect we see more adjustments like this, so (as i always mentioned) playing with a strict colorless build can be problematic once the meta full adapt to Eldrazi.

I tried out GerryT's 75 from two weeks ago on Friday. I lost the first round against Esper Stoneblade by drawing infinite lands. In both games, I got to a point where I had about four or five turns to draw a significant Eldrazi and win, and drew nothing but lands - including THREE Reshaper death triggers which flipped lands. Hell, Eye of Ugin would have been live for three of those turns, but that was like the one land in the deck I didn't draw.

So I tilted pretty badly. Told my friends in no uncertain terms I was tired of this deck doing that to me.

I then went 2-0-1 for the rest of the tournament, drawing against a slow Merfolk player who is new to the format, and I had the winning card on the top of my library at the end of extra turns. My wins were against Miracles and Grixis Delver, both of which I sort of just crushed.

This deck is so frustrating. Just when I thought it was time to put it down...


I liked Gerry's build. I think it's pretty well-built, although it could use some tuning. One thing I will say: I'm really tempted to start playing World Breakers as time ticks by. A lot of people are trying to use lock pieces to shut down the deck, and these lock pieces tend to take the form of artifacts and enchantments. I'm not sure if World Breaker is the answer, because it costs a lot of mana, but I do think we need to start playing some kind of dedicated answer to these cards (Bridge, Moat, Moon, etc).

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I liked Gerry's build. I think it's pretty well-built, although it could use some tuning.

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You need to mulligan aggressively with this deck.Flooding is normal with a 24/25 lands deck.
Your starting hand makes the difference between winning and loosing the game.

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Originally Posted by janluis1

You need to mulligan aggressively with this deck.Flooding is normal with a 24/25 lands deck.
Your starting hand makes the difference between winning and loosing the game.

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I know. I did.

It was an excessive amount of flooding, concentrated in two specific games. I've played Stompy (both Eldrazi and Angel) basically every week for the past two months or so, so I have some experience with it now, and I've experienced my fair share of flooding and drought. It's the drawback of not playing Brainstorm and Ponder.

What I was saying is, that drawback was occurring too frequently for me to justify continuing to play the deck, and I was ready to put it down. And then it ran hot.

I don't know why you snipped out that part of my post. I wasn't saying his deck could use tuning in the mana department, although I suppose I could see how you would think that. The sideboard was a little clunky, and some of the maindeck counts were sort of awkward.

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What I was saying is, that drawback was occurring too frequently for me to justify continuing to play the deck, and I was ready to put it down. And then it ran hot.

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I understand your frustration, I also had bad draws in 2 rounds during the BOM event 2 weeks ago, determining my exclusion from top 8.
If you prefer piloting a deck with less variance I suggest you playing blue I guess. Playing eldrazi is like playing poker. You can get an Ace king hand or a 7/2 and you have to deal with it.

That 's why i like 2 traitors /ugin and 4 factories+ 4 wastelands. Feel like while u lose a bit of explosiveness you always do something with your lands. Haven' t wanted to change my manabase anymore after trying that configuration (with 4 ssg)