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if u only this guy has FLASH instead of TRAMPLE...then i might consider it, doesnt need trample anymore coz it's flying!
wont be able to replace goyf in RUG, and will be second still before Cliq...
@SWANSONG: pierce would be better still, that it'll be able to counter artifacts and planeswalkers...but countering my own spell for a 2/2 flyer would make my delvers happy, added clock to a threat light deck we currently have.
Two-for-oneing ourselves for a wind drake? Ehhhhh I don't know. I'd use it as a 1-2 of at most vs combo. Pierce would still stay in the main as a 2-3 of
Haha, yeah and HASTE :DQuote:
Originally Posted by poxy14
Swansong could be a relevant SB card for combo and miracles (definately replaces envelop here).
And suddenly Relic of Progenitus, Nihil Spellbomb, Leyline of the Void and such get better and better :( I think the last thing RUG needs is more suseptability to graveyard hate. And especially not at 3 CMC.Quote:
Originally Posted by poxy14
It's cute at best, but I feel like it's got to be very powerful to make the cut into RUG.
Yep. Sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pherion
Defimnitely a card for UR Delver, but I won't use it in Thresh. But it's nice to have one more Legacy playable card! :)
That Swan counterspell is trash. Just stick to pierce and flusterstorm.
Well, no, it's a cheap, versatile hard counter with a slight downside. I think it at least deserves some testingQuote:
Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
If by slight downside you mean being able to kill one of our best creatures easily then sure, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
How many situations do you have where Spell Pierce can't counter what you want?
The Sol lands that Sneak runs?
EDIT: for that matter, I'm not talking about cutting spell pierce. I'm talking about cutting 1-2 flusterstorm in the SB
Nic Fit? Miracles?Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
Oh, sideboard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
I thought we were talking maindeck. My bad. In that case then yes, unless you feel we really need Flusterstorm for Storm decks.
Hi Guys,
yesterday i played a small turney in our local shop and went 4:1 with RUG Delver.
Here the Top 4 Decks (I went 2nd) and a small report.
http://mtgdecks.net/events/view/11292
Round 1: Omni-Tell
Here I won 2:0 easily
In: +1 Spell Pierce + 2 REB + 1 Surgical Extraction
Out: - 2 Forked Bolt - 2 Spell Snare
Round 2: Death & Taxes
Here I won 2:0 again
In: + 2 Sulfur Elemental + 2 Ancient Grudge + 2 Rough/Tumble
Out: -4 Stifle -1 Spell Pierce -1 Force of Will
Round 3: Elves
I lost 1:2
Game 1: I mulled to 6 and kept a average hand and got punished by him turn 4.
Game 2: I crushed him with Rough/Tumble, Bolt + pressure.
Game 3: We both mulled to 6 and kept disrupting hands. My starting hand was Cage, Pierce, Daze, Mongoose, Waste & Fetch. He played 1st & 2nd turn Thoughtseize on my cage + pierce. I cant counter it because he was otp. After that i never saw a ponder, brainstorm, bolt, rough, delver, or ANYTHING relevant.
My draws were just 2 daze´s, tropical´s & monoose´s. 1 turn after my mongoose´s became 3/3 he played Ooze and finally killed me with his 3 lifepoints and a progenitus in the times :mad:
In: +2 Rough/ Tumble +3 Submerge +2 Grafdigger´s Cage
Out: -4 Stifle -2 Spell Snare -1 Pierce
Round 4: Mono R Burn
Here I won 2:0 easily again
In: +1 Spell Pierce
Out: -1 Stifle
Round 5: BR Burn/Random (With Bob, Lavamancer, PoP, Bolt, Vexing Devil etc...)
Won 2:0 again
In: +1 Spell Pierce
Out: -1 Stifle
Finally a 4:1 with the unlucky los against elves. The elves man lost 0:2 in Round 5 against Grixis Tempo but he was a friend and gave him a draw so he got 1st :rolleyes:
So I picked a Foil Grove of the Burnwillows.
I played the deck the 1st time and were very satisfied with the deck. The 3 Goyfs were quiet good, I never missed a creature to make more pressure. The 2 Snare´s in the main were good too, they countered Thalia, Bob, PoP and Hymn...
Normally i would play 1 or 2 fluster storm in the sb and maybe a 1/1 split main with dismember/forked bolt but tried this variant for our local meta.
Greetings
Except for countering Enchantments though, Flusterstorm is just better in every way. Most times where you'd want either of these, Flusterstorm is even more of a "hard counter" in that they cannot counter it back except with another Flusterstorm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
@ Manipulato: Congrats! Nice reslt and nice prize.
Btw, you must really hate D&T. :smile:
Uhhhh all right. A hard counter, by definition, cannot be paid off. Fluster is just conditionally better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzra
If I had a choice of swan song or flusterstorm as my only card in hand against a late game show and tell or sneak, I'd choose song.
They are both better than the other given certain conditions. If your opponent is casting an Instant or Sorcery and the number of spells cast that turn is equal or greater than the amount of available mana that they have open then Flusterstorm is better. Otherwise, or if they cast an Enchantment, then sure Swan Song can be better. Although, this still doesn't take into account that you are most likely racing them and that giving them a blocker that either kills Delver or buys them a turn against Goyf/Mongoose is actually relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
Depends on the type of combo. Against storm and Belcher, fluster is the obvious choice, as those archetypes rely on chaining spells. Against S&T or Reanimator, however, they are just trying to resolve a single, bombastic spell. Here Song is much better since they either have the mana up for a 2-count fluster or cast an enchantment.
Where song gets even better is the control match. Will I trade a RIP, Counterbalance or Moat for a 2/2 delver killer? Of course.
Not to mention it gives us some extra hate vs the odd enchantress matchup.
first, congratz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manipulato
Sideout stifle against death and taxes? Im like this card in this matchup, he´s have: wasteland, trickplays(mangara etc.), mother of runes, stoneforge and batterskull, sometimes against equips, rip or relic from sideboard. Your list have 29 blue spells, pos board with your plan d you have 23. Im like keep 2 or 3 stifles, maybe 4 if im know about multiples rip/relic. Im like cut more fows and pierces.
Against elves, stifle for behemont and small interactions (wirewood, rangers), cutting few creatures(mongoose), what you think about this plan?
tnx
If you ONLY have flusterstorm in lategame vs SnT you're doing it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
If the SnT goes for it without any protection, he is also doing it wrong.
The ONLY reason I'd want swan song vs SnT is of they are on Sneak Attack/Dream Halls plan. Flusterstorm is just bad vs those cards, but you should have counters for these, which means flusterstorm is still better.
I didn't realize we lived in a fantasy universe where S&T can never have more than one kill spell in a game. Or that RUG always triple force of will in opening handQuote:
Originally Posted by Quasim0ff