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Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee
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Can you post your list?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee
No, I don't currently have this put together, I was simply applying my knowledge of the two cards I've gathered from playing The Rock, BUG and Nic Fit to apply to your scenario. Hope it helps.
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Forgot to mention, in the 3-0-1 streak, Ajani ALWAYS carried it home. Don't underestimate the control elements of this card.
Yes with Noble Hierarchs and min 2 Pridemages, I also saw Mix with Shaman's.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
For me GW Maverick is Maverick without splash, with more stable manabase, which can easy use more utility lands.
I don't consider myself a writer so I won't volonteer for a section, but feel free to message me with any questions you may have. I still play maverick quite often and can give my opinion on whatever you may need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal
It's been years since I played that version--but it's definitely a lot faster and a lot more brutish than Abzan Maverick. It's also where I started using Orim's Chant; fantastic card to use when you don't have access to Thoughtseize. Mirran Crusader able to swing for 8 damage a turn starting on turn 3 was also a big plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal
Played 2 leagues with this list
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/731666#paper
5-0 and 3-2. Only losing to 2 storm decks, but also beating it 2 times as well. Sylvan safekeeper was great and it gave me a good option to gsz on 1 instead of just getting a mana dork. Choke was good and I think we may need to beat grixis control and 4 color control
That is a really traditional list! No need/want to play with new toys? --> Excavator mostlyQuote:
Originally Posted by NEELEY
My list is "traditional". It's also consistent, I don't feel a need to play another creature that does nothing against most decks you have a problem with. This deck is built to get KOTR when you are looking to gsz for more than 2. If you wanna have fun and try new things then that's fine. I feel like the people playing a bunch of non traditional lands and creatures lose a lot of consistentency and therefore lose more games then normal. I would hate to have DD, bog, stage in my opening hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomRabbit
I think best will be try and test new toys then stabilize.
For example I have quite similar list with Neeley, but some changes gives a difference and edge over:
- SoLaS is a meta slot - I use here Sigarda since have a lot of BUG around
- Sylvan Safekeeper vs Mother of Runes - test 2 x Sylvan Safekeeper and no MoR (yea quite revolutionary will describe this more in primer)
- Excavator as additional new routes so you never out of lands
- Renagade Railler as second Qasali is really worth, gives you many options
Agreed about too many utility lands - that's why I will try to describe Lands core and free slots for utility lands like Cradle, Bog, DD and TS, Maze etc.
Actually I have only 3 utility lands except core: Gaea's Cradle, and Ghost Quarter, Horizon Canopy, with one on SB (Bojuka Bog).
How have you found Ramunap?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Been trying him myself and can't say I'm overwhelmed...
I think I may have green sunned for it once? I think in a build with canopy it's probably at its best. I haven't played with it in maverick enough though to really determine if it's better than a lot of stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesFlipside
Tested Ramunap in about 100 competitive games so time to sum up impression:
Running manabase:
1 Ghost Quarter,
1 Horizon Canopy,
4 Wastelands,
1 Gaea's Cradle,
1 Dryad Arbor,
8 fetchlands (4 heath, 2 catacombs, 2 flats),
2 Savannah,
1 Bayou,
1 Scrubland,
1 Karakas
2 Forest
1 Plains
only 1 Ramunap.
Matchups from testing:
- Lands - I see big improvement here - before needed to play carefully with wasteland, now it's abyssal match for them
- BUG Shardless - easy strategy now can handle on long range, removal for shaman, thalia then, KotR and waste to the end now extends to recursive waste
- Miracles (the new one with Portent) - little improvement since it's good creature to gain CA with canopy, Ghost Quarter plan vs Plains not working in mid-game, on late better GSZ for Sylvan Safekeeper & Tracker.
- UWR stoneblade with 4 x TNN - loses one game since opponent had basics (sic !), so Ghost Quarter plan is not always that good, G2&G3 didn't made this mistake, not really improvement here.
- BUG Tempo - didn't change anything in this MU
- Combo (any) - didn't change
- D&T - won me twice a game when I pick up Cradle :-).
So overlay yes it works, specially if opponent require a lot of mana and running a lot of nonbasics, I had moments when had only GSZ for him to pick up wasteland to gain insta value. Actually have 2 options to pick up already used wasteland from gy - Railler and Ramunap. Ramunap is better since it can gain value constants, Railler on the other hand is great to pick Thalia (from my statistics she is the most time the target).
I was thinking about second one - but I'm afraid of too much graveyard dependent so actually not yet, I also don't wont to break my perfect mana curve (only real slot for would be for 3rd stoneforge mystic).
Btw I was still thinking what would be better creature then Stoneforge Mystic in cmc 2 slot can't find good value creature for him. Already tried Fauna Shaman (was not bad, but not brilliant), tested also Dark Confidant but it wasn't good. need instant value best would be etb trigger.
Have in CMC=2: 4 thalia, 1 Qasali Pridemage, 3 Stoneforge Mystic, (1 jitte, Sofi and solas sb), 1 sylvan library.
Was even thinking on Plaguebearer, Oath of Ghouls, Oversold Cemetery but they are rather just cute in edh, then in fast competitive play.
Is there a reason you don't just run a 2nd Pridemage? What about Revoker?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal
Or scryb ranger if you arent already running him. Second pridemage is better than revoker. You cant tutor for revoker, and he doesnt have an activated ability so not super relaventQuote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
Thats pretty much my consensus. Rebuying canopy every turn helps out vs grindy matchups a lot, and buying back wasteland vs non basics is great. Yesterday i played vs grixis delver and was able to waste him every turn until he couldnt do anything and my giant knight is better than his TNN. Vs 4 color loam it was the same. Other than walkers, whoever had excavator out first won just because reccuring specific lands is reall crucial. Cant veat p fire if he constantly gets his groves back into playQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatal
Haven't played in a long while. Very tempted to build an updated Viciano Vial-based list with Excavator. Nobody respects vial until it shits all over them. But because Excavator himself is green, I have yet another bullet for Zenith. Looking at what's floating in the top 8 globally is neutral to Maverick doing well. Delver decks continue to exist but top-based Miracles is gone. Maybe I just hedge my deck against Lands, TNN, and Sneak/Reanimator cheat-big-things-into-play archetypes.
The more recent pages of this thread had some interesting notes but my main question isn't necessarily being addressed.
Why are folks only running 1 Excavator? Is 2 in the 60 too much? Does this guy durdle around without protection? I see how he is good when all the conditional pieces are assembled (board-state for him to shine, GY has wastes and fetches/canopy, opponent vulnerable to LD) but want to know what he actually does in an average game. He has sick synergy with Tracker as well.
The main reason for only 1 is we can still only play 1 land a turn. He is a zenithable target for when having another knight doesnt advance your board state, but locking them out of more lands, drawing extra cards. Buying back cradle/ karakas is more relavent. Everytime my excavator died he already did his job and getting another one was not necessaryQuote:
Originally Posted by Warden
Initial testing started with 1 because of space (I don't like running more than four 3drops normally), after testing I found I only really wanted him in the mid/late game where I'd actually be able to use it for something other than replaying fetchlands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warden
I'm not against running more than 1, and in some matches having a 2nd in case of removal is relevant. But I just haven't "needed" it.
Excavator is really sick against lands. I love him there. I generally beat lands anyway, but this guy has made it so the matches aren't close
Already running Scryb Ranger (it's very good, bring a lot of value). I don't run second pridemage since I can bring it back with Railler, and watchdog isn't best creature in some matchups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnaguard100
That is the point. It bring instant value, even if dies. Having more then one can be abyssal if you met graveyard hate, diversity and agility is a goal. If opponent side graveyard hate he wouldn't have enough removal/artifact removal to deal with other threads. 1-of is enough, drawing second one wouldn't bring any value on boardstate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnaguard100
On Pridemage: Exalted is more than just watchwolf; the reason Pridemage is often the only silver bullet in multiples in the maindeck for many lists comes from the fact that it has many uses outside of disenchant. Even the fact that it can give you more ways to trigger revolt is an interesting plus. But I also get your point about wanting to maximize your rallier to give it relevance--hence why I also suggested Phyrexian Revoker, who does multiple things that Pridemage doesn't do and even provide colorless damage in Mom wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal
On Excavator: Much agreed with you on that--but I just wanted to clarify that sometimes having 2x copies in the 75 (1 main 1 side) is something I have been very fond of for my silver bullets that are especially powerful or useful (usually Scooze or Teeg), but I usually save those slots for silver bullets that are essential for some matchups that I often need to recast due to removal brought it for the cards. Albeit--I just don't see Excavator holding that same level of criticalness as say a 2nd Teeg vs storm.
You probably right about 2nd Excavator since it almost always bring value due to picking up fetchland or any other lands. More then 100 games are needed to prove it, does the proper count number is 1 or 2 MD.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
Interesting list: http://www.thrabenuniversity.com/?p=1179 looks like someone overextend the Ramunap value :-).
Just imagine what we could do if there was a green revoker !!! I'm just daydreaming at work but still....Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
They will eventually make more super utility creatures for us to use. Its just a matter of time. Gsz becomes exponentially better as new sets come outQuote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
That's why I love toolbox decks so much. All my decks (aggro, combo and control) are of that kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnaguard100
Still waiting for a green Serra AvengerQuote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
Heh, this is probably never happening as flying shall always be our weak spot. Best we could hope for is a 3/3 Lifelink and/or Trample ...Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
3/3 Reach...
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I hate to say this but Reach isn't cool enough to play with us. There I'm the bad guy now.
3/3, for 2 green with vigalance, trample, and pro blue. Now we are talking a creature with no activated abilities that maverick could runQuote:
Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee
Still much worse than Leovold :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Magnaguard100
I am fairly meh on the whole Leavold discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
Played in a deul for duals event. Went 3-1-1, split top for and got a bunch of goodies with store credit. Overall was a good experiance even though i had some pretty tough matchups. Played grixis tezzerator, infect, charbelcher, and eldrazi tron. Only lost to infect because turn 2/3 kill with hexproof/ countermagic is not something i can beat. Excavator was crucial in wasteland locking the eldazi and tezzerator player, though ghost quarter did not seem as relavent. Im probably going to cut it for another basic. Other than that im pretty happy with my list. This is what i ran
4 deathrite shaman
4 mother of runes
1 birds of paradise
4 thalia
2 stoneforge mystic
1 gaddoc teeg
1 qasali pridemage
1 scryb ranger
1 scavenging ooze
1 renegade rallier
1 ramunap excavator
4 knight of the reliquary
1 sigarda
4 gsz
4 swords
1 library
1 sofi
1 jitte
4 windswept
3 verdant
2 bayou
2 savannah
1 scrubland
1 forest
1 plains
4 wasteland
1 ghost quarter
1 karakas
1 horizon canopy
1 dryad arbor
1 gaeas cradle
Sideboard
2 ethersworn canonist
1 sanctum prelate
1 reclamation sage
2 thoughtseize
2 surgical extraction
1 blessed alliance
2 zealous persecution
1 pithing needle
1 garruk relentless
1 choke
1 engineered plague
Do you not like him? I don't think he's great in maverick since we're choked on 3 drops but in general it's one hell of a card.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMagpie
If I did play him tho it would have to be in the sideboard most likely.
Has anyone tried out the new Mirri? I need to pick one up, but I think it's a very solid SB Silver bullet
We discussed it earlier but I think the general consensus is she's bad.
Even if you like her abilities (which I do not), you need her to attack to prevent creatures from attacking you so she's slow to "activate".
This is true. The earlier you get her online, the better she is, but that requires running more copies of her which probably isn't that good. All in all probably just another decent 3 drop where the options feel almost limitless at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
Lands (23)
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Plains
4 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Karakas
1 Gaeas Cradle
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Wasteland
1 Dryad Arbor
Creatures (25)
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Noble Hierarch
3 Mother of Runes
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Ramunap Excavator
Spells (12)
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Suns Zenith
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawas Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Sylvan Library
Sideboard(15)
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Containment Priest
3 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Pithing Needle
1 Diabolic Edict
I played in a win a dual over the weekend and walked away with a Bayou after losing in the finals to Eldrazi . The deck felt great and was super consistent, I was between playing Bant Stoneblade and Maverick and the deck didn’t let me down. MVP for the day was Scryb Ranger, that card is nuts in this deck. So many people missed tricks with it.
Only changes to the “stock” list was trying a 1 of Crucible Snake and took out one Mom for a Safekeeper, since it plays nicely with the Snake, and it’s always nice to have another gsz target. The Snake was always good, never great, I was always gszing for a Knight before the snake though. Only comment on it was that I always felt like I should be playing it on T4 so I could get immediate value from it. Not sure that the safekeeper is better than the 4th Mom, didn't get to play with him much.
Matchups were:
R1 UWR Landstill (2-0), R2 Burn(1-2), R3 UWR Landstill(2-0), R4 Grixis Delver(2-1), R5 Jund(ID).
Top 8 - D&T (2-1), Semis - RG Lands (2-1), Finals - Eldrazi (0-2)
With so many Zenith targets at the 3cc slot it feels difficult to justify adding a 4th color for a mere value card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc