[Deck] GW/x Maverick

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Originally Posted by Barook

What is the exact reason the Vial version doesn't run some GSZ? Space issues? Anti-synergy with Teeg?

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They are different engines. There is not enough room to run both.

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Originally Posted by Barook

What is the exact reason the Vial version doesn't run some GSZ? Space issues? Anti-synergy with Teeg?

I could easily see cutting 1 Scryb Ranger and 1 Teeg for 2 GSZ. That would increase the overall consistency of the deck (and with 1 Teeg and such low numbers of GSZ, it should be less of a problem) and would open up the option of running a single Dryad Arbor for accel (which actually works rather nicely with Vial @0 as well). Aside from that, it would make Pridemage a potential SB tutor target, just like Scavening Ooze (although I feel that RiP and Bojuka Bog should be enough). A single DRS with a splash of black might be interesting as well. This is the list I'm thinking about with all the changes in mind:

4 Windswept Heath
4 Savannah
4 Wasteland
1 Plains
1 Forest
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Maze of Ith
1 Karakas
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Scrubland
1 Bayou

3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Mother of Runes
3 Weathered Wayfarer
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
4 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Birds of Paradise
1 Deathrite Shaman

4 AEther Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull

Sideboard:
2 Enlightened Tutor
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Rest in Peace
2 Oblivion Ring
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Choke
1 Bojuka Bog

Edit: While Birds are nice sometimes as equip carrier, I'm asking myself if it isn't better to go more into the direction of Jack Wang's Maverick list with more fetchlands to feed both DRS and KotR. Access to SB Thoughtseizes sound like a nice way to fight combo as well.

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you know what the problem with your vial version of maverick is? Its not consistent. You have so many one-ofs which is suited for a GSZ package. If you want to do the vial plan, I suggest you up the creature counts to at least a 3 of.

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Originally Posted by Barook

Nope, this deck is bullshit.

Unless you'll get an O-Ring and they can't find an immediate answer, you will be boned.

I just lost the Legacy Daily on MODO (2-2, after losing match 1 to Tin Fins, winning against BUG Shardless and Dredge). Especially G3 showed how good they can fight through hate:

I had a pretty much perfect lock of Cavern --> Human --> Mom, T2 Canonist, T3 Scryb Ranger (for extra Mom activations) and started the beats afterwards. Hell, I even got a Choke online because.

Well, he jammed down Dream Halls thanks to City of Traitors, cast Enter the Infinite one turn later, played 2 Needles for Mom and SoFI (which could have won me the game if I had drawn it), then played Cunning Wish during my turn to Slaughter Pact Canonist and went off while being at 1 life.

This isn't just bad luck anymore because they'll always find a way to fight through.

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That's why I run 2 Krosan Grip instead of useless Chokes.

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Originally Posted by door

That's why I run 2 Krosan Grip instead of useless Chokes.

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I fail to see how Krosan Grip is going to help you unless you have 3 mana open and plan to keep them open all the time. I would rather run additional O-Rings in that case.

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Originally Posted by Barook

I fail to see how Krosan Grip is going to help you unless you have 3 mana open and plan to keep them open all the time. I would rather run additional O-Rings in that case.

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That's probably the best case; when backed with Thalia or Canonist you're likely going to get the O-Ring to stick.

Splashing blue allowed the option of Rhox War monk, Rafiq of the Many, Geist of Saint Traft, giving more aggro options to the deck. Works with green sun's zenith too ( except for Geist)

What about Elusive Krasis? Has anyone tested its potential as an one-of?

3cmc, searchable with zenith, Unblockable, 0/4 with evolve: blocks well, helps add counters on jitte, gets bigger with each Knight on the table

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Originally Posted by DYman

Splashing blue allowed the option of Rhox War monk, Rafiq of the Many, Geist of Saint Traft, giving more aggro options to the deck. Works with green sun's zenith too ( except for Geist)

What about Elusive Krasis? Has anyone tested its potential as an one-of?

3cmc, searchable with zenith, Unblockable, 0/4 with evolve: blocks well, helps add counters on jitte, gets bigger with each Knight on the table

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The big problem is that he is terrible on his own. If you play him as a 0/4 and equip a jitte it isnt going to deal damage and will not get counters.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

The big problem is that he is terrible on his own. If you play him as a 0/4 and equip a jitte it isnt going to deal damage and will not get counters.

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i was gonna reply about how there are so many creatures in the deck to pump it to 1/5, but then i realised Maverick-meta is playing against blue, not aggro. u made a good point.

Rather than play the Elusive Krasis, how about Edric, Spymaster of Trest or motherfucking Cold-Eyed Selkie? I don't see how Rhox War Monk would or Geist would be good. I mean - they're good cards but usually all the creatures in Maverick have some utility to them. I think Rafiq is and exception because he can end the game just the moment that he hits the table.

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Originally Posted by Machahiko

Rather than play the Elusive Krasis, how about Edric, Spymaster of Trest or motherfucking Cold-Eyed Selkie? I don't see how Rhox War Monk would or Geist would be good. I mean - they're good cards but usually all the creatures in Maverick have some utility to them. I think Rafiq is and exception because he can end the game just the moment that he hits the table.

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I like both the cards, i'm surprised im not seeing them being mentioned in the main decks more often. Card advantage is nice.

i looked to rhox and krasis for thugs to stall for time while my knights get steroids. i play in a aggro heavy meta and found that thalia was too skinny for the job. i thought lifelink or a charged up jitte would give me time or lasers. also, extra life pays for the library card

RWM is a good choice for aggro heavy metagame, due to the life link + exalted triggers. It has insane synergy with Sylvan Library (life gain). If you're running SFm, also consider Batterskull main.

This is how I want to run my list in a few weeks, just missing a few cards and I'll have this list running:

Black Maverick

Creature (25)
4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Mother of Runes
2x Scavenging Ooze
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Scryb Ranger
3x Mirran Crusader
4x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence

Land (23)
4x Wasteland
2x Bayou
2x Savannah
4x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Karakas
1x Maze of Ith
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Plains
1x Forest

Sorcery (4)
4x Green Sun's Zenith

Enchantment (1)
1x Sylvan Library

Instant (5)
1x Swords to Plowshares
4x Abrupt Decay

Artifact (2)
2x Umezawa's Jitte

Sideboard (15)
2x Crop Rotation
2x Surgical Extraction
3x Duress
3x Lingering Souls
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Tower of the Magistrate
3x Oblivion Ring


Also I've been play testing the Thespian's Stage/Dark Depths combo, going -1 Mirran Crusader, -1 Wasteland, +1 Dark Depths, +1 Thespian's Stage to my list doesn't affect my mana base at all and doesn't affect my muligan's really, but does give me a powerful secondary wincon.

Are crop rotations overkill if I'm running 1 depths and 1 stage ?

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Originally Posted by kingsey

Are crop rotations overkill if I'm running 1 depths and 1 stage ?

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Crop Rotation is against Dredge, and non blue decks.

Deck
60 cards, 0 sideboard
3 Savannah
2 Bayou
2 Plains
2 Forest
4 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
4 Wasteland
1 Maze of Ith
22 lands


1 Dryad Arbor
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Scryb Ranger
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Qasali Pridemage
2 Aven Mindcensor
28 creatures


4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Batterskull
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
10 spells

Here is the list I'm running.
Let me know what you guys think.
I been play testing it and its been really good.

I just finished watching Sunyveil go 4-0 on his stream on Twitch on MTGO Daily, his list is interesting, at no point was Duress bad while I watched his stream.

Sunyveil (4-0)
Legacy Daily #5656510 on 07/04/2013


Main Deck
60 cards

24 lands
1* Bayou
1* Dryad Arbor
1* Forest
2* Horizon Canopy
1* Karakas
1* Marsh Flats
1* Maze of Ith
1* Overgrown Tomb
1* Plains
3* Savannah
1* Scrubland
3* Verdant Catacombs
3* Wasteland
4* Windswept Heath

21 creatures
2* Birds of Paradise
3* Deathrite Shaman
1* Gaddock Teeg
4* Knight of the Reliquary
4* Mother of Runes
2* Qasali Pridemage
1* Scryb Ranger
2* Stoneforge Mystic
2* Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

1* Batterskull
4* Duress
4* Green Sun's Zenith
4* Swords to Plowshares
1* Sylvan Library
1* Umezawa's Jitte
15 other spells

Sideboard
2* Abrupt Decay
1* Bojuka Bog
1* Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1* Engineered Plague
2* Enlightened Tutor
2* Ethersworn Canonist
1* Grafdigger's Cage
1* Oblivion Ring
1* Phyrexian Revoker
1* Tormod's Crypt
1* Umezawa's Jitte
1* Zuran Orb

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Originally Posted by s6sculve

I just finished watching Sunyveil go 4-0 on his stream on Twitch on MTGO Daily, his list is interesting, at no point was Duress bad while I watched his stream.

Sunyveil (4-0)
Legacy Daily #5656510 on 07/04/2013


Main Deck
60 cards

24 lands
1* Bayou
1* Dryad Arbor
1* Forest
2* Horizon Canopy
1* Karakas
1* Marsh Flats
1* Maze of Ith
1* Overgrown Tomb
1* Plains
3* Savannah
1* Scrubland
3* Verdant Catacombs
3* Wasteland
4* Windswept Heath

21 creatures
2* Birds of Paradise
3* Deathrite Shaman
1* Gaddock Teeg
4* Knight of the Reliquary
4* Mother of Runes
2* Qasali Pridemage
1* Scryb Ranger
2* Stoneforge Mystic
2* Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

1* Batterskull
4* Duress
4* Green Sun's Zenith
4* Swords to Plowshares
1* Sylvan Library
1* Umezawa's Jitte
15 other spells

Sideboard
2* Abrupt Decay
1* Bojuka Bog
1* Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1* Engineered Plague
2* Enlightened Tutor
2* Ethersworn Canonist
1* Grafdigger's Cage
1* Oblivion Ring
1* Phyrexian Revoker
1* Tormod's Crypt
1* Umezawa's Jitte
1* Zuran Orb

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Seems pretty good

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Originally Posted by s6sculve

I just finished watching Sunyveil go 4-0 on his stream on Twitch on MTGO Daily, his list is interesting, at no point was Duress bad while I watched his stream.

Sunyveil (4-0)
Legacy Daily #5656510 on 07/04/2013


Main Deck
60 cards

24 lands
1* Bayou
1* Dryad Arbor
1* Forest
2* Horizon Canopy
1* Karakas
1* Marsh Flats
1* Maze of Ith
1* Overgrown Tomb
1* Plains
3* Savannah
1* Scrubland
3* Verdant Catacombs
3* Wasteland
4* Windswept Heath

21 creatures
2* Birds of Paradise
3* Deathrite Shaman
1* Gaddock Teeg
4* Knight of the Reliquary
4* Mother of Runes
2* Qasali Pridemage
1* Scryb Ranger
2* Stoneforge Mystic
2* Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

1* Batterskull
4* Duress
4* Green Sun's Zenith
4* Swords to Plowshares
1* Sylvan Library
1* Umezawa's Jitte
15 other spells

Sideboard
2* Abrupt Decay
1* Bojuka Bog
1* Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1* Engineered Plague
2* Enlightened Tutor
2* Ethersworn Canonist
1* Grafdigger's Cage
1* Oblivion Ring
1* Phyrexian Revoker
1* Tormod's Crypt
1* Umezawa's Jitte
1* Zuran Orb

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Remember to cut the Tomb and to add a 2nd bayou if you want to play it optimally.

What's the reason for Zuran Orb? Burn/Fireblast?

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Originally Posted by s6sculve

I just finished watching Sunyveil go 4-0 on his stream on Twitch on MTGO Daily, his list is interesting, at no point was Duress bad while I watched his stream.
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Sunyveil (4-0)
Legacy Daily #5656510 on 07/04/2013


Main Deck
60 cards

24 lands
1* Bayou
1* Dryad Arbor
1* Forest
2* Horizon Canopy
1* Karakas
1* Marsh Flats
1* Maze of Ith
1* Overgrown Tomb
1* Plains
3* Savannah
1* Scrubland
3* Verdant Catacombs
3* Wasteland
4* Windswept Heath

21 creatures
2* Birds of Paradise
3* Deathrite Shaman
1* Gaddock Teeg
4* Knight of the Reliquary
4* Mother of Runes
2* Qasali Pridemage
1* Scryb Ranger
2* Stoneforge Mystic
2* Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

1* Batterskull
4* Duress
4* Green Sun's Zenith
4* Swords to Plowshares
1* Sylvan Library
1* Umezawa's Jitte
15 other spells

Sideboard
2* Abrupt Decay
1* Bojuka Bog
1* Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1* Engineered Plague
2* Enlightened Tutor
2* Ethersworn Canonist
1* Grafdigger's Cage
1* Oblivion Ring
1* Phyrexian Revoker
1* Tormod's Crypt
1* Umezawa's Jitte
1* Zuran Orb[/spoiler]

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Oh hey, I was just browsing this thread for variants/ideas for the daily tomorrow morning. Keep in mind that Scavenging Ooze is crucial to this deck, I just don't have them online yet (holding out for the M14 release).

I think I'm either going to try the Vial version or a combo version (either NO or Dark Depths) when I get a chance.

Zuran Orb is mostly just for Burn, but I end up siding it in against RUG as well sometimes. Sometimes you just need 4-6 extra life to stabilize against the aggressive decks.