I played against that list on cockatrice, it was hilarious to see duress cast against me.
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I played against that list on cockatrice, it was hilarious to see duress cast against me.
In Maverick Duress hits everything we want it to hit, we have STP and Abrupt Decay(Well I do) to Hit their creatues, and our creatures are usually bigger than theirs anyways. Though that being said I play my Duress's in the sideboard, they could be maindeckable though.Quote:
Originally Posted by monovfox
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Originally Posted by s6sculve
It appears that we can all agree that some form of discard is needed in the 75 of GWb Maverick. I personally prefer Thoughtseize, but looks like people find Duress to be just as good. So lets go through the pros and cons.
Thoughtseize
Pros:
Hits creatures
-Sneak and Show creatures
-Becomes an option against Elves
Cons:
You lose 2 life
-Life loss is relevant against Storm
-You can't board it in against Burn
Duress
Pros:
Does not cost 2 life.
-You can SB it in against Burn
Cons:
Does not hit creatures
-Duress is a very loose option against Elves
-You can't make Sneak and Show discard a creature (relevance depends on how the game is developing)
As with any Duress/IoK/TS effect, there is some variance involved where the discard is great if you draw it early, but it may be a dud if you draw it late and your opponent does not have targets in their hand. This late game issue is more of an issue against the other fair decks in the formats, so don't automatically assume you are keeping discard in the main against the fair decks in the format.
I'm probably adding black as well with my next paycheck. I like the Vial version, but I've encountered too much fast combo online to rely on hatebears only to win since they can be answered with sweepers rather easily which did cost me quite a few crucial games in the dailies already.
But Thoughtseize vs. Duress:
Duress costs a few cents, Thoughtseize 35$ per copy (MTGO prices). Certainly a thing to keep in mind when you're building your collection.
@Sunyveil: What do you replace for Scavenging Ooze? What do you think about Gaea's Cradle then? I like it in the Vial variant as a retarded mana booster when fetched with KotR and it should work well with Ooze, too.
True about price regarding Duress versus Thoughtseize.
ALSO, ALSO, they can't Misdirection Duress, which is very relevant against Show and Tell.
Im noit sure if that is VERY relevant. Im not sure they even want Misdirection vs Maverick. Even if you do reveal you are on black I would assume that they would take it out as it is hardly ever a relevant card.
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Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya
Agreed, if they have Misdirection in the main, it means they are trading their two worst Blue cards for our Thoughtseize and our worst non-land card in hand. It is tempo and depending on the hand could be quite a blow out, but Misdirection is almost certainly not a card they want to keep in post-board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
What's your plan for the mirror and Death & Taxes? Especially with the M14 rule change?
@Sunyveil: Why only 3 Wastelands?
You can run e.plague, golgari charm or Zealous Persecution those options also work vs Elves - I mostly like Zealous with one E.Plague.
Top 4'ed a 39 player tournament on Saturday
Top 8'ed a 51 player tournament on Sunday.
List was mostly the same as my SCG Open list with the following changes:
-1 Cavern of Souls
-1 Verdant Catacombs
+1 Savannah
+1 Marsh Flats
-1 Life from the Loam
-1 Batterskull
+2 Duress
Loses were to:
Mono Blue OmniShow
Esper Stoneblade
TES
Simple analysis which Maverick construction you should choose vs current meta:
If your meta is mostly TES/ANT/OmniTell/Dredge/Reanimator:
Pick up GW/b splash with Thalia, Deathrite Shamans and Duress (argument why not Thoughtsieze -> Misdirection in OmniTell described upper). Vial build is probably not bad but since you need answer vs Jitte - GSZ and pridemages looks more promising.
Note: I also tried Cabal Therapy it was even better then duress since you can flashback and take multiple cards, but proper naming cards is requirement for get full value so if you didn't played with Therapy before, please playtest on open field.
If your meta is orthogonalized and already react vs combo decks to Shardless BUG, Stoneblade, UW/x Miracles, Deathrite Blade, and also Death & Taxes you should probably pick up GW/r splash with Punishing Fire - its very good vs their long range advantage - Punishing Fire and REB can take out most of their CA sources. GW/r build is also probably better vs Jund.
About SB:
E.Plague is probably good Bullet in actual meta - vs Goblins/Elves/Wizards/Humans/Spirits depends on situation.
Abrupt Decay can be additional removal spells to StP, specially that you can handle Jitte which became public enemy nr 1.
Don't forget about Engineered which can handle Crused Totem, or Tokens.
// Deck: maverick (60)
// Lands
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Forest
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
2 Plains
2 Savannah
2 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
// Creatures
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
// Spells
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Garruk Relentless
this is the list i been running for about a week now.
play tested vs:TES, Merfolk, Goblins, elves, American Delver, Deathblade, Cherrios, Pox, and Stax.
elves was a easy game after sideboard. american delver is good match up if you can keep lava mancer in check. merfolk and goblins no vial no problem otherwise it can be a little hard. TES main board thalia and teeg just win if they dont kill you turn 1. same thing with cheerios if they dont kill you 1st turn thalia can buy you enough time to win along with mindcenser. after sideboard its easy if they dont kill you 1st turn. pox is not a hard one, but i can get you if you dont play it right, becuse they can 2-1 you a lot. sylvan library is game winning here. Stax ooze all day and pridemage with a little thalia and its pretty much game ending. easy match.
i just play G/W for now. i know the benefits of adding red or black, but at this point i dont think its needed unless in a heavy aggro meta ill go punishing maverick.
im not maverick pro just giving info on what i have noticed, would like feed back on my list . thanks.
How do you board against Elves? Was your opponent a good player? Elves is one of the hardest match-ups for me. Luckily, almost everybody is playing the crappy NO version nowadays which is easier to beat. I could almost never get a win against the faster comboversion that was popular before DRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbyLegacy
I assume you're pretty happy with the newest list?Quote:
Originally Posted by mishima_kazuya
Congrats!
Yes he's a good elf player.Quote:
Originally Posted by allek
The gaddock teeg shuts down green sun, and NO.
But I side in 3 ethersworn canonist. Some times I play 2 phyrexian revokers and name symbiote of heritage druid.
I would most certainly name Symbiote (even with multiple Revokers), that card is the sole reason Jitte cannot become active and star to decimate Elves' board.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbyLegacy
yea that card is a pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Sometimes.. When I havent played Maverick for awhile... I tend to forget how FREAKING versatile this deck really is!
wg pride forever!!! Haha, but no in all seriousness its been an uphill battle for Maverick over the past year and to be honest, I am quite worried as to where Maverick will be in the next 3 or 4 years. I love my deck and love what it does, but it just seems as if aggro, midrange (whatever you want to call it) has been steadily declining in its efficiency to deal with board threats and when it comes to legacy, "declining in efficiency" is something you never want to hear for your 75..
Now that the M14 rules are in place, what's your opinion on the Dark Depths + Thespian Stage combo?
Maybe in gw. But with everyone splashing a 3rd color, its going make you mulligan more or mana screw