[Deck] The Rock

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Sorry if Im a bit off the current topic, but is natural order a possibility in here? It essentially gives you an awesome trump in fair matches. Then against control they get a 2 turn clock to terminus. I lovr the card and just aquired a set and was thinking NO Rock sounds sweet.

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I've seen decks use the NO Prog package as part of a sideboard strategy. 1 Progentitus, and 3-4 Natural Order can be brought in against matchups that warrant it. It's a nice surprise tactic, and a lot of control decks will likely be siding out their counterspells against Rock in games 2/3. You can easily enable it on turn 3 via Deathrite shaman, and either sac the shaman or a Dryad Arbor you've fetched up. I don't think I'd really want to play it maindeck though.

Also, you don't have to limit yourself to just Progenitus. There are numerous fat green creatures that'd be worth NO'ing into. Terastodon, Worldspine Wurm, etc.

Is anyone else thinking that Scryb Ranger is tech with full sets of Shaman and Knight? I've been testing it and Ranger doubling up Shaman seems better than even Scavenging Ooze. Maybe I'm wrong, but the flexibility of racing with 4 drained each turn rather than just gaining life while hosing the graveyard seems really good. I've mentioned it before, but maybe folks think it's kind of a bad idea? Genuinely curious...it's been great for me.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Sorry if Im a bit off the current topic, but is natural order a possibility in here? It essentially gives you an awesome trump in fair matches. Then against control they get a 2 turn clock to terminus. I lovr the card and just aquired a set and was thinking NO Rock sounds sweet.

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I've been rocking the combo in my sideboard in Bant and it has been great. Never tried it in Rock but I did throw the idea out there a few pages back. I do think someone should test it. I'd try it out myself but I don't run enough GSZ to make it good enough, and i'm not sure I really want to add more.

I'm kind of meh on using Scryb Ranger. Sounds great but it requires some set up and the creature itself is largely useless. In my opinion it borders on win-more for Rock based on my testing and playing against Bant lists that use it.

I would try out the NO SB, but I dont play this deck... Ive just always been intrigued with the Rock (I started with Nic Fit) as it fits the style of play I enjoy, and I like the fact that NO is a very powerful single card combo that can just blow games out.

Still many rounds to go, but so far Matt is 3 wins 0 losses at the Grand Prix in Denver.

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Originally Posted by feline

Still many rounds to go, but so far Matt is 3 wins 0 losses at the Grand Prix in Denver.

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Is that with 3 byes?

I don't know, I didn't think about that, and if that's the case, then I wish I didn't post that now because I feel silly!

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Originally Posted by feline

I don't know, I didn't think about that, and if that's the case, then I wish I didn't post that now because I feel silly!

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Hahaha 3-0 the easy way ftw!

YEAHHHHHHHHHH!! *fistpump*

Guillaume Perbet took 1st place in Frankfurt with this:


3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Umezawa's Jitte

4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf

4 Abrupt Decay
4 Swords to Plowshares

2 Bayou
1 Forest
2 Marsh Flats
1 Plains
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
3 Windswept Heath

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Lingering Souls

Sideboard:
1 Gaddock Teeg
3 Engineered Plague
3 Oblivion Ring
2 Diabolic Edict
3 Surgical Extraction
3 Thoughtseize


About time someone won with souls/therapy :D

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Originally Posted by .Ix

YEAHHHHHHHHHH!! *fistpump*

Guillaume Perbet took 1st place in Frankfurt with this:


3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Umezawa's Jitte

4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf

4 Abrupt Decay
4 Swords to Plowshares

2 Bayou
1 Forest
2 Marsh Flats
1 Plains
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
3 Windswept Heath

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Lingering Souls

Sideboard:
1 Gaddock Teeg
3 Engineered Plague
3 Oblivion Ring
2 Diabolic Edict
3 Surgical Extraction
3 Thoughtseize


About time someone won with souls/therapy :D

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This is either 2 in a row for him, or you are a page too late.

aw, man! :( This is definitely the same list and tournament on Dec 30, so yes, I'm late. Sweet list though.

Anyone know anything about the GP?

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Originally Posted by lavafrogg

Anyone know anything about the GP?

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BUG's popular

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Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning

BUG's popular

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Yeah, I went 4-4. I ran into a ton of RUG and TES, and never faced the Junk mirror (everyone I saw on Junk was running my list), BUG, nor Miracles. It was an awful run of matchups. Oh well.

Time to derdle around on Day 2 in the hall and play Cube and buy pimp.

In case some of you are here, I'm wearing the coloured dress shirts for the past several days (Charcoal, Black, and today is red).

-Matt

How many Ad Nauseam Storm decks did you have to go against? From what it seems, ANT / TES strategies are a secret that everyone suspected would happen coming into the Grand Prix, while BUG was the most expected, it's kind of amazing how much the format has been impacted by Return to Ravnica just by a couple of cards.

From what I saw, there was a lot of TES, some Bug, and a fairly large number of miracles. I saw a couple other Junk decks. Matt was right, they all used his build. I only played against 1 TES in Round 2 (no byes). He ended up dropping to Blood moons after fizzling. Game 1 I was able to force him to have short on killing me with Tendrills so he made gobo's. I had a pulse though. Ended 4-3.

I've been tinkering with a list that does very well against BUG. I've decided to drop Goyfs in favor of Lingering Souls. I find that against BUG decks fighting Goyf on Goyf is not always the best plan of attack. This is what I've bee testing:

4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Lingering Souls

4 Thoughtseize
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Sylvan Library

4 Liliana of the Veil

23 Lands
3 Bayou
3 Scrubland
1 Savannah
1 Maze of Ith
4 Marsh Flats
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
3 Wasteland
1 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Plains

SB
2 Engineered Plague
2 Choke
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Gaddock Teeg
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Duress

I'm not the first to adopt Souls into Junk, but most of the people doing it thus far have been cutting Knights, which I disagree with. The Shaman allows this deck to focus a bit more on attaining good 3-drops like Liliana, Knight, and Souls. I'd like to fit Zealous Persecution somewhere in the 75, but I just cant cut Plague, maybe Choke can be replaced? Also, Duress could easily be Hymn, not sure on that yet either.

I run that list with some changes:
-4 Thoughtseize
-4 Lili
+2 GSZ
+1 Arbor
+1 Jitte
+1 Ooze
+1 Sylvan Safekeeper
+2 Inquisition of Kozilek
and a KOTR toolbox including 4 Wasteland, Gavony Township, Maze, and Karakas.

I face a lot of Show and Tell so cutting Knights isn't even a possibility for me and Goyfs are quite awful in my metagame. The safekeeper is great at protecting Knights, so Decay isn't that bad. I want 2-3 GSZ for additional acceleration because getting 3 mana on turn 2 in this deck is very powerful. Dryad Arbor is pretty decent in this deck because of the Therapies and Township. I haven't found a need for Liliana so far, and 8 Discard with 4 Therapy / Flashback is way too much in my experience.

Is it appropriate to merge the Jund thread with The Rock? The Jund deck is basically the Junk shell, except it swaps white cards for red cards.