[DTB] Vial Goblins

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Originally Posted by junkdiver

Hey guys, here is a tournament report from the goblins player who took first at Orlando.

http://www.thegameacademyonline.com/2010/03/30/goblins-and-the-5k-a-tournament-report-by-david-sharfman/

I went, but didn't play Gobs and scrubbed out early. A number of people were playing a very close list to this one. I know one other guy went 5-2 just barely missing top 16 with a very similar list. Both of them didn't run instigator, ran 4 fetches two duals and a basic and 3 ports. Not sure about the boards.

You can see in the article he had pretty good match ups. Not facing combo pretty much all day if I recall, but obviously a good player to make it that far. There were quite a few goblins players there all in all.

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Awesome, I was hoping to read about what he played. I'm planning on taking goblins to SCG 5k Atlanta. My question is now, wtf build do I use? I mean yea he did great with the deck and dominated pretty much, but he didn't play zoo or combo, and somehow being pyschic I guess he puts in 6 lands haters and manages to play lands 3 times and destroy two with blood moon. Also the last two big finishes by goblins might have raised the amount of goblins in the metagame, so do I have to have pyrokinesis in sb? What about 4 Gempalms, Chieftains? I'm lost. I think at Richmond goblins made up 2.5% of the field, at Indy it went up to 3.85%, at Orlando there seems to be more. So should I be figuring in for the mirror? Cuz I don't really like pyrokines except its a house in the mirror.

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Originally Posted by markbris

Awesome, I was hoping to read about what he played. I'm planning on taking goblins to SCG 5k Atlanta. My question is now, wtf build do I use? I mean yea he did great with the deck and dominated pretty much, but he didn't play zoo or combo, and somehow being pyschic I guess he puts in 6 lands haters and manages to play lands 3 times and destroy two with blood moon. Also the last two big finishes by goblins might have raised the amount of goblins in the metagame, so do I have to have pyrokinesis in sb? What about 4 Gempalms, Chieftains? I'm lost. I think at Richmond goblins made up 2.5% of the field, at Indy it went up to 3.85%, at Orlando there seems to be more. So should I be figuring in for the mirror? Cuz I don't really like pyrokines except its a house in the mirror.

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Not playing Zoo or Combo and playing 2 Lands decks when he loaded up on Price and Blood Moon is -why- he ended up in a position to win the tournament. It also helped him that the Black deck with Tarmogoyf (I'm assuming this was some variant of Eva Green) didn't land a Plague anywhere. It's not really a psychic thing. It just looks like it in hindsight. Somebody will often overboard for something and luck out on it.

That said, and god forbid I should lose even more reputation for saying it, but Lands is a great deck. He was smart enough to prepare for it using cards that weren't completely dead elsewhere.

This is a good example of how its not always the "best" build that wins big events, its the one that got lucky and hit the matchups it was ready for. Congrats to him though, its good to see Goblins winning big events again.

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Originally Posted by Tacosnape

Not playing Zoo or Combo and playing 2 Lands decks when he loaded up on Price and Blood Moon is -why- he ended up in a position to win the tournament. It also helped him that the Black deck with Tarmogoyf (I'm assuming this was some variant of Eva Green) didn't land a Plague anywhere. It's not really a psychic thing. It just looks like it in hindsight. Somebody will often overboard for something and luck out on it.

That said, and god forbid I should lose even more reputation for saying it, but Lands is a great deck. He was smart enough to prepare for it using cards that weren't completely dead elsewhere.

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Yea I agree lands is a great deck. The point I was trying to make wasn't that he was psychic or anything pbviously, I was just joking around that yea he randomly boarded up huge for lands and managed to play it 3 times.

I really like the idea of using blood moon. It hits zoo pretty hard, kills lands, hurts ad nauseam, probant, dredge, reanimator, and any other deck that plays a majority of duals. Unfortunately its not a goblin. Regardless, what are people's opinions on it? I'm gonna give it some testing this week.

I've been looking at it too. Seems interesting, though you'd best drop it pre-Pridemage.

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Originally Posted by bakofried

I've been looking at it too. Seems interesting, though you'd best drop it pre-Pridemage.

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True, but I feel like the deck has enough ways to kill the pridemage first

Another option would be Magus of the Moon. Even if he could be removed easier, he is a creature which means he can actually kill an opponent (what Blood Moon can't) and can be dropped via Aether Vial.

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Originally Posted by Ranarion

Another option would be Magus of the Moon. Even if he could be removed easier, he is a creature which means he can actually kill an opponent (what Blood Moon can't) and can be dropped via Aether Vial.

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I disagree with that. A creature is far easier to be removed than an enchantment. Your opponent will be ready to remove creatures, but an enchantment will catch them off guard. If magus was a goblin, it'd be a different story though.

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Originally Posted by JonBarber

I disagree with that. A creature is far easier to be removed than an enchantment. Your opponent will be ready to remove creatures, but an enchantment will catch them off guard. If magus was a goblin, it'd be a different story though.

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ha if magus was a goblin that'd be sick. I wish gaddock teeg was red and a goblin.....

Hell, Goyf would be less notorious if it had Changeling.

Would you use Blood Moon as a supplement or in place of ANT hate though?

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Originally Posted by bakofried

Would you use Blood Moon as a supplement or in place of ANT hate though?

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Well my current hate was thorns and mb traps. I would take out the thorns but leave in the mb traps. They buy us enough time to drop the blood moon. They are also 100% neccessary to have any fighting chance against belcher

Agreed there. Would you bring in Pyrokinesis against Belcher, if you run it SB? It could help with Gob tokens.

I would, sometimes they can only make 8-10 tokens.

Yes. You -always- bring in Pyrokinesis against Belcher. Pyrokinesis is the difference between ETW being lethal or ETW leaving you alive.

Hey, Tacosnape. If you *had* to use Mono-Red gobs, what would it look like? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by bakofried

Hey, Tacosnape. If you *had* to use Mono-Red gobs, what would it look like? Just curious.

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I'm also very interested in this question, as I would like to get myself a Goblin deck which I'll upgrade over time as I get access to Duals for Black or Green splashes.

Also, the thread is 216 pages long, is the primer really up-to-date or should I take it with a grain of salt?

That primer is severely outdated.
Nihil asked a while back if someone could wright an updated one, but I guess nobody did...

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Originally Posted by Nidd

I'm also very interested in this question, as I would like to get myself a Goblin deck which I'll upgrade over time as I get access to Duals for Black or Green splashes.

Also, the thread is 216 pages long, is the primer really up-to-date or should I take it with a grain of salt?

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Green splash? I understand the black splash (and have played it) but the white splash is very good...swords, disenchant (or ray of distortion to dodge cb), orim's chant (vs. combo), tariff (anti prog/reanimator), and burrenton forge tender (decks run firespout...). Actuall,y I'm interested if anyone else who runs the white splash has other tech to consider...