[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

I had no idea that was a card, Matt, if that is in fact your real name.

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Hell, I had it my sideboard of my junk list (along with the 2 slaughter games). It did wonderful things.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjc...ZfmLqEz6Ay.png

Potentially relevant 3-drop for us. Turns landfall into card draw with excess mana, which is something we're interested in. It will need tested for sure, not confidant in how good it is just from reading the card, but I could see it.

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Tireless Tracker
2g
3/2

Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, investigate.
Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, put a +1/+1 counter on ~.

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I think it warrants further... investigation.

Even though it's a fragile thing it could provide quite some value in the late game. It even works incredibly well with Courser of Kruphix. Draw a land off the top, gain a life. If you want the top card, draw it with the clue. Fetchlands gain even more value, especially when combining the two. We'll just have a hard time protecting it though, even though it grows with every clue you sacrifice. And I'm wondering what to cut for it. The first candidate would be the highest CMC card in the deck (provided you run something that's bigger than Sigarda).

Edit: I could see the following build:
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Glissa, the Traitor
4 Siege Rhino
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons

4 Path to Exile
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed

2 Painful Truths
2 Diabolic Intent
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 New Sorin

4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
2 Marsh Flats
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Phyrexian Tower
1 Dryad Arbor

Lots of meat (i.e. pressure), 2 GSZ'able CA engines (or 3 if you count Meren) and a CA engine that can double as top end kill condition/planeswalker killer. Meren, Dryad Arbor & Phyrexian Tower make a nice draw engine if you have the Tracker out (and also turns the Tracker into a real clock quickly). It also has GSZ'able creature removal (of sorts) in Glissa and (easily loopable) GSZ'able artifact/enchantment removal in the form of Pridemage.

It might be worth it to include a Wood Elves to help power out Big Sorin whilst adding some extra synergy with Tracker. I'm going to have a hard time cutting a card though.

no abrupt decays? that's insane. I assume you also do Sudoku with a pen and throw your recyclables in the trash.

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

no abrupt decays? that's insane. I assume you also do Sudoku with a pen and throw your recyclables in the trash.

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Lol Ricardio, you really missed it.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

Lol Ricardio, you really missed it.

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just skimmed through your post again, no mention of abrupt decay. I bet you don't put on sun tan lotion when you go to the beach. No abupt decays in a GBx deck? that's like riding a unicycle on the Autobon, your gonna have a bad time.

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

just skimmed through your post again, no mention of abrupt decay. I bet you don't put on sun tan lotion when you go to the beach. No abupt decays in a GBx deck? that's like riding a unicycle on the Autobon, your gonna have a bad time.

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I mean, I've also been skimping on Decays lately. The card just hasn't felt that good, especially for my meta.

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

just skimmed through your post again, no mention of abrupt decay. I bet you don't put on sun tan lotion when you go to the beach. No abupt decays in a GBx deck? that's like riding a unicycle on the Autobon, your gonna have a bad time.

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No you missed that he hasn't played AD at all at least for a long time.

And here I am, thinking AD is one of the best cards in the deck :eyebrow:

http://i.imgur.com/EhOLWUr.png

This was so close to playable imho. It's essentially an O-ring that don't kill emrakul and always 2-for-1 yourself. Had it costed 1W or had it been an instant it would've been a cute sacrifice enabler for Nic Fit.

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Originally Posted by Gheizen64

http://i.imgur.com/EhOLWUr.png

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Bad card. I'll take that new vindicate anytime over this.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

Arbor compliments Meren. It enables a lot of techy lines. For example; DRS/VetEx in the yard, Untapped PTower or Therapy in hand/yard and you have an untapped fetch. Drop Meren, fetch Arbor, sac it, pass to eot and flip DRS/VetEx. This enables a very quick launch of Merens capability and puts up a blockade.
Also you can get Arbor down more aggresive so you have something to wall immediatly when you get Meren.
Arbor on its end also enables some 'extra' lines on the early turns. T1 GSZ into Arbor enables some added lines. Also it turns fetchlands into Therapy fodder.
That it dies to Deed can be annoying, but Arbor is always there to die for the cause. But the JUND manabase doesnt feel it is able to support Arbor. Running 4 Groves is really important to get Pfire online more effective. Also i found 4 PFire to be the best so it always shows up and gives the ability to play aggresive on removal. But design space kind of forces it to 3.

Liliana is a musthave in JUND since it also adds reach to get rid of creatures out of Decay and Pfire range. On overall i dislike Deluge since that card hit to much of our own. I played 3 and tried 2. Overall the conlusion was that with 2 it didnt show up often enough.

The list you posted Tomas, feels very soft int the high CMC end of the creatures. Imho this is the weakspot of JUND lists.
PrimeTime is still the best option for the deck, but that would require either Two Tower or a Kessig/P.Tower split.
I still swear by Stormbreath Dragon, especially because Haste and Pro White are so much relevant. 2 copies to compensate the loss of GSZable.

Painful Truth's feels somewhat awkward in this lists. I really want to play some but it doesnt feel right. Not sure how others feel about PTruths in JUND.

I am actually suprised not to find at least 1 Kolghan's Command in the 75. It is a really strong card vs StoneBlade decks. And in other case the card is a 2 for 1. Every mode is/can be relevant.

Lastly, Diabolic Intent might not be to effective since the JUND lists are so light on creatures.

I love JUND lists, but i still need and excuse to run it over JUND 4 Rhino. The latter is soo tuned and plays so smooth.
My question is, what draws you to this list?
Good and nice to see more interest into it.

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Thank you for your thoughts Bobmans.

I agree with everything you say about the Dryad Arbor. Think it is wonderful that we can turn Zenith/fetch into another therapy for very little mana. It might allow us to even keep some Therapy against Miracles. (as we side out Veteran) The only think I disagree is that we MUST play 4 Grove and therefore we cant support her. We dont have to play 4 and I think playing 3 is actually the way as we dont want too much red mana anyway. We should see Arbor as a Creature - not a land.
I will try to cut Intent and add Dryad Arbor for a few next tournaments.

As you can see I have one Deluge in the board and I think that is just fine. But I am aware that high end creatures might be a trouble.

In our Prague meta I am the miracle guy so if I dont show up with Miracles nobody does. So I think dragons are not the option for me. I dont like PrimeTime to be honest as it is too expensive, does very little when it comes into play... Not to mention that with Meren 2 Towers is the way to go I think.
All our creatures shoud be GSZable or they should be Grave Titan. :-)

Why do you think Painful Truth feels akward?

Kolagans Command is a good card but I dont think we need any of those modes really. Mabye to bring back witness/meren... I think we trash all blade decks really hard. Speaking about blade decks they are not really decks anymore I think. (d+t perhaps)

We play a little bit less creatures but what about Junk? It has a few creatures more... Rhinos. I think we reallly want to sacrifice Explorer and nothing else unless we really have to.

I just think this a better version of the deck and if not it fits my playstyle better. I like we have P. Fire so we can go infinite on removal so we are better against taxes, elves, delver. I like liliana with P. Fire not allowing combos and controls to come back. From the board Blasts and To the Ashes make a perfect deck. (almost) ;-)

Just a few points.
Do you have your list?

Tomáš

I would have killed to have ptruths in pfire jund. That card would be great in the deck. That deck is all about grinding CA with pfire and liliana. It is literally just big jund.

@ Koplinchen

Welcome to the Nic Fit thread, hope you won't miss the blue stuff too much !

Nice list.
It seems you've put a lot of work into it.

How many sanctioned events so far with your list ?

What did guide you towards a 4 decay build ?

Thanks for your insights.

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Originally Posted by Koplinchen

Just a few points.
Do you have your list?

Tomáš

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For next event i will play at least vs; Miracles, UWr StoneBlade, Shardless, Ant, Elves and i suspect Eldrazi Stompy.
This is what i am currently staring at. Mind that i have 60 cards main and am looking for dat cmc 5+ beef to finish it.
Also i have little time to respond properly.

4 vet
2 drs
1 scooze
1 witness
1 courser
1 huntmaster
1 meren
1 thrun
1 tusk

4 gsz
3 sdt
1 ptruths

4 therapy
3 deed
3 decay
3 pfire
3 liliana
1 pulse

3 catacombs
2 foothills
1 b. mire
3 forest
2 swamp
1 mountain
2 bayou
1 badlands
1 taiga
4 grove
1 dryad
1 p. Tower

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3 slaughter g
2 ts
2 surgical
1 p needle
1 garruk R
2 reb
1 ruination (availability)
2 g charm
1 k. Command

Ill modify the post later with full names.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

I mean, I've also been skimping on Decays lately. The card just hasn't felt that good, especially for my meta.

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if decay isn't good in the meta, deed isn't as good and therefore why are you playing nic fit? Our removal suite is top notch but you aren't playing it.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

No you missed that he hasn't played AD at all at least for a long time.

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that's a long time of sadness. that card is absolutely necessary, like air or pornography.

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Originally Posted by rubblekill

And here I am, thinking AD is one of the best cards in the deck :eyebrow:

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me too. Maybe I am in the wrong thread. I will go check the rug delver thread.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

For next event i will play at least vs; Miracles, UWr StoneBlade, Shardless, Ant, Elves and i suspect Eldrazi Stompy.
This is what i am currently staring at. Mind that i have 60 cards main and am looking for dat cmc 5+ beef to finish it.
Also i have little time to respond properly.

4 vet
2 drs
1 scooze
1 witness
1 courser
1 huntmaster
1 meren
1 thrun
1 tusk

4 gsz
3 sdt
1 ptruths

4 therapy
3 deed
3 decay
3 pfire
3 liliana
1 pulse

3 catacombs
2 foothills
1 b. mire
3 forest
2 swamp
1 mountain
2 bayou
1 badlands
1 taiga
4 grove
1 dryad
1 p. Tower

Board
3 slaughter g
2 ts
2 surgical
1 p needle
1 garruk R
2 reb
1 ruination (availability)
2 g charm
1 k. Command

Ill modify the post later with full names.

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No KWR or Prime Time? That's sac-relig. or atleast broodmate deserves consideration. The deck grinds hard and wants a huge finisher or two. prime time gets all the utility lands and combos with kessig/thrun.

@ Bobmans

Thrun loses a lot of its value without Kessig.
The "Protect the damn troll" plan is really nice.

To be perfectly honest, I still feel like any Jund list should have a finisher.
If you don't want to overcommit yourself into the "protect the troll" plan (which requires a lot of cards); Grave Titan gets the job done.

To complement it (and since you have included an Arbor), I would definitely play a diabolic intent. It doubles up your chance to have Grave Titan when you want it.
Not to mention that with Meren & Witness, you could even tutor for any card every turn...

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Originally Posted by Ralf

@ Bobmans

Thrun loses a lot of its value without Kessig.
The "Protect the damn troll" plan is really nice.

To be perfectly honest, I still feel like any Jund list should have a finisher.
If you don't want to overcommit yourself into the "protect the troll" plan (which requires a lot of cards); Grave Titan gets the job done.

To complement it (and since you have included an Arbor), I would definitely play a diabolic intent. It doubles up your chance to have Grave Titan when you want it.
Not to mention that with Meren & Witness, you could even tutor for any card every turn...

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I'd run SBD over GraveT any day. The list imho is to light on creatures for intent and next to this, there is no really interesting lines of plays it opens up that i cant get to in the grind anyhow.

I have never been a fan of Kessig. Thrun is solid on it's own. It does not loose value. Pumping creatures is one of the least useful things to be doing in this deck.

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

No KWR or Prime Time? That's sac-relig. or atleast broodmate deserves consideration. The deck grinds hard and wants a huge finisher or two. prime time gets all the utility lands and combos with kessig/thrun.

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Broodmate is poop. If you read closely you notice how i mention i am looking for that cmc 5+ beefy dude.


Edit: I have been on JUND for some years, people don't have to be lecturing me on cardchoices that have been around. Because i have tried shit long ago.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

I'd run SBD over GraveT any day. The list imho is to light on creatures for intent and next to this, there is no really interesting lines of plays it opens up that i cant get to in the grind anyhow.

I have never been a fan of Kessig. Thrun is solid on it's own. It does not loose value. Pumping creatures is one of the least useful things to be doing in this deck.





Broodmate is poop. If you read closely you notice how i mention i am looking for that cmc 5+ beefy dude.


Edit: I have been on JUND for some years, people don't have to be lecturing me on cardchoices that have been around. Because i have tried shit long ago.

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The deck is SOFA KING weak to marit lage. Broodmate blocks or races alongside KWR. With so few creatures, turning the corner is a serious issue. you can control the board but without a wincon, you are just waving your wet dildo in the air to fend off your opponent until they realize it isn't a guy.

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Originally Posted by Ricardio

The deck is SOFA KING weak to marit lage. Broodmate blocks or races alongside KWR. With so few creatures, turning the corner is a serious issue. you can control the board but without a wincon, you are just waving your wet dildo in the air to fend off your opponent until they realize it isn't a guy.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

Mind that i have 60 cards main and am looking for dat cmc 5+ beef to finish it.

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I did mention that the list was still missing that beef.
PrimeTime, KWR, Broodmate aren't it or i would have included them. Those ain't changing the lands problem. But Marit Lage is besides the point. Red misses its Sigarda. I have tried so many options and its just not there. So im still looking for that beef.

@ Bobmans:

I don't lecture anyone...
I have made my point on Jund longtime ago.
There is no beef, unfortunately.

The best option when power matters is G.Titan (Titania can also bring 10 power to the table on a blue moon)
I have tried many options.
Another choice could also be BSK.

I hope you will find what suits you best.