[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by JPoJohnson

Yeah I had heard about that. And from several people I know that got to touch the cards apparently they are quite obviously different in how they feel (bend wrong and too glossy), but in a sleeve from across the table it's rather difficult to tell.

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From the pictures the corners seem too round as well. It looks like the manufacturer is using some sort of "normal" playing card dye to cut these.

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Originally Posted by Barook

As long as they do stuff like Tarmogoyf at Mythic rarity in a very limited set, prices won't go down.

That said, high prices also make the secondary market more and more attractive for card forgeries. Looks like the Chinese fakes are back:

http://learningkitty.com/2014/04/02/...thering-cards/

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Yeah, heard about this a few days ago. MTGLion is a giant tool though, he'll do anything to stay relevant. Reminder that every click you give him nets him money. Wizards is really bringing this on themselves though. Reprinting everything in some shape or form after Unlimited (Revised on) would solve this. We all knew the counterfeiters would go underground like this and Wizards still does nothing about it. It's only a matter of time until the proxies are nigh perfect unless you are an expert.

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Originally Posted by Barook

And I doubt prices would go down on the staples due to price memory, which also happened in Vintage, like Lemnear said.

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Well the thing is, while Vintage-only staples are still often quite expensive... we have to remember that Vintage-only staples generally come from the earliest sets, as that was before they were (better) able to evaluate power level and not print crazy powerful stuff like Ancestral Recall that's powerful enough to be banned in Legacy. And the earliest sets all had very small print runs, especially compared to sets nowadays. (I think there's more people who play the game than there were cards printed for Arabian Nights) Thus, there's very big problems with simple scarcity in regards to these older cards.

If you look at the prices for Vintage-only staples that were from anything after, say, Legends, their prices aren't particularly high, because their print runs were far better (except for Imperial Seal, which was from the criminally underprinted Portal Three Kingdoms), so scarcity can't be as responsible for high prices. I think the most expensive Vintage-only card from a set that had a reasonably-sized print run is Tolarian Academy, clocking in at about $17.

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Originally Posted by Lord Seth

Well the thing is, while Vintage-only staples are still often quite expensive... we have to remember that Vintage-only staples generally come from the earliest sets, as that was before they were (better) able to evaluate power level and not print crazy powerful stuff like Ancestral Recall that's powerful enough to be banned in Legacy. And the earliest sets all had very small print runs, especially compared to sets nowadays. (I think there's more people who play the game than there were cards printed for Arabian Nights) Thus, there's very big problems with simple scarcity in regards to these older cards.

If you look at the prices for Vintage-only staples that were from anything after, say, Legends, their prices aren't particularly high, because their print runs were far better (except for Imperial Seal, which was from the criminally underprinted Portal Three Kingdoms), so scarcity can't be as responsible for high prices. I think the most expensive Vintage-only card from a set that had a reasonably-sized print run is Tolarian Academy, clocking in at about $17.

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The problem, though, is that Wizards doesn't really care about Legacy/Vintage anymore. They're content in letting it become so cost-prohibitive that people will cash out and simply not play the cards.

Until the game faces a downturn in popularity, that is.

It's kind of random, but Grand Prix Promo Chrome Mox WTF? I actually don't mind, as there's a cheap version, and it's great to have both normal cards available to players and an optional luxury collector item, but the disappearance and price jump blew my mind.

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Originally Posted by Scott

It's kind of random, but Grand Prix Promo Chrome Mox WTF? I actually don't mind, as there's a cheap version, and it's great to have both normal cards available to players and an optional luxury collector item, but the disappearance and price jump blew my mind.

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SCG still selling dozens for less than 30$

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

The problem, though, is that Wizards doesn't really care about Legacy/Vintage anymore. They're content in letting it become so cost-prohibitive that people will cash out and simply not play the cards.

Until the game faces a downturn in popularity, that is.

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I'm not sure how that relates to what I wrote.

im not sure where promo chrome mox went up, but there is like 100 for sale at 10-12 euro on magiccardmarket.

The EU's card supply to player demand is way more even than the US market. Over there USea's are now $300, Wasteland's at $130 and so on. Here? 90euro for a sea and 40 for a Wasteland on average. 'Murika hemorrhaged cards over the last decade and is now feeling that loss hard. SCG is bleeding that wound dry.

Again, where are those 30 moxens being sold, cant find it anywhere, makes no sense to me

That's true, I've recently acquired my fbb seas, volcanics and tropicals at about the same price people in eeuu buys the revised ones. And I know that SCG has been getting cards from europe (mkm) and selling in eeuu, so they're basicly getting rich just reselling. Why isn't more people from eeuu doing that?

Shipping costs+risk

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Originally Posted by jandax

The EU's card supply to player demand is way more even than the US market. Over there USea's are now $300, Wasteland's at $130 and so on. Here? 90euro for a sea and 40 for a Wasteland on average. 'Murika hemorrhaged cards over the last decade and is now feeling that loss hard. SCG is bleeding that wound dry.

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Where are you getting 90 € Underground Seas and 40 € Wastelands in EU?
I see cheapest 140 € NM Underground Sea (though no scans so could be any condition) on MKM. That's over $200 when calculating expensive shipping with insurance etc. Still nowhere near SCG prices but is slowly getting there according to MKM price chart history.
Similarly, cheapest NM English Wasteland is closer to 60 € than to 40 €.

As a side note, supposedly some big asian buyer approached SCG and other big retailers in one of the recent GP's and bought them out completely out of blue revised and unlimited duals. If this information is true, other places like MKM will catch up to the inflated prices sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by Pippin

Where are you getting 90 € Underground Seas and 40 € Wastelands in EU?
I see cheapest 140 € NM Underground Sea (though no scans so could be any condition) on MKM. That's over $200 when calculating expensive shipping with insurance etc. Still nowhere near SCG prices but is slowly getting there according to MKM price chart history.
Similarly, cheapest NM English Wasteland is closer to 60 € than to 40 €.

As a side note, supposedly some big asian buyer approached SCG and other big retailers in one of the recent GP's and bought them out completely out of blue revised and unlimited duals. If this information is true, other places like MKM will catch up to the inflated prices sooner rather than later.

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I can buy FN USea for €95 and €45 Wastelands in Sweden.

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Originally Posted by Purgatory

I can buy FN USea for €95 and €45 Wastelands in Sweden.

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So you'Re speaking of vis-a-vis, hand-to-hand trades? Makes sense, people are much mroe willing to offer a good price when you hold cash.

You have to be a pretty big asshat to buy from SCG. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

So you'Re speaking of vis-a-vis, hand-to-hand trades? Makes sense, people are much mroe willing to offer a good price when you hold cash.

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Yeah, we have an awesome community with players who sell/trade/buy cards with each other.

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Originally Posted by HammafistRoob

You have to be a pretty big asshat to buy from SCG. Just saying.

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God forbid we buy from the only people that care to support legacy. Also their prices on foreign stuff is reasonable from time to time

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Originally Posted by Purgatory

Yeah, we have an awesome community with players who sell/trade/buy cards with each other.

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I can barely remember the days where you were able to buy/trade cards face to face without having a guy across who tries to make at least 30% extra in his favor.

Today I go to mkm, mail 2-3 sellers about discounts if I take this and that, buy that stuff, basta. I'm kinda reliefed that I don't have to spend 30min+ at a table just to see the other guy jumping off the trade last minute

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

God forbid we buy from the only people that care to support legacy. Also their prices on foreign stuff is reasonable from time to time

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Support Legacy my ass. We shall see how long they "support" us.