Didnt find anything on this, where is the link please?
if it is true, I feel like going to fly to WotC basement and shoot at them.
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Didnt find anything on this, where is the link please?
if it is true, I feel like going to fly to WotC basement and shoot at them.
Awesome, I just build AnT, so they kill it with B/R, than this Leyline nonsense... :rolleyes:
Ok WotC, if you wish to, I will kill with ermakul. Because it is much less frustrating than losing to lethal Tendrils and everyone loves creature comback, too.
I. HATE. THIS. GAME.
Better buy your ticket now:Quote:
Originally Posted by Azdraël
Confirmed here by Captain Black
For your info: Captain Black is a wizard employee who is responsible for spoiling stuff. It's legit.
So, Enchantress can now deny burn and discard strategies, as well as going possibly positive against ANT, Belcher and all sorts of Tendrils, all thanks to a castable enchantment.
Looks like it's got potential to do really well in the coming months.
So if you assume that Leyline of Punishment is good vs. lands, (turns off Maze, Chasm, and Orb) and Leyline of Ivory Mask is good vs. combo, did Zoo just lose all its bad matchups? It's worth nothing that for Zoo, the white Leyline could also be good in the mirror, turning off opposing burn to the face.
Maybe not so much belcher since it has access to green. That new card back to nature is better than any mass enchantment sweeper I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzzle
It has access to green but the mana and search it would spend getting rid of the Leyline means a much slower kill, at which point Sterling Grove + Confinment + other Leyline copies can drown the Belcher player.Quote:
Originally Posted by HumphreyBogardan
Belcher doesn't have much in the way of redundancy and consistency.
@Vacrix :
Duress. Target opponent...
Thoughtseize. Target player...
Yeah lost nocturnus but if you read the flavor text on the card elixir...something or other (uncommon artifact, sac it to gain life) it's a quote from Baron Sengir. So maybe he'll be back as the new vamp lord?Quote:
Originally Posted by (nameless one)
Wow the White Leyline is a bitch move. Then again, they printed another Chant so I can't complain.. I think people will realize its bad. Nobody plays Burn these days anyway. Storm combo? We still play EtW.. and often Burning Wish. Also, you have to mulligan like a bitch to get it out, in which case you give combo plenty of time to set up a way to answer it.
If it's that bad against combo, why do you consider mulliganing into it "like a bitch" as the right move ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacrix
I like the progression of combo hate haha,
1st you get hate bears like ethersworn canonist and gaddock teeg. They're too slow though so you get....
mindbreak trap, now you have a free counterspell in any color, but it gets duressed too often, so you get...
white leyline, now you have free hate and it comes down before it can be countered or duressed.
Good point, plus I just realised it's not a wish target, which would offer some consistency but ultimately slow it down as you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzzle
Oh its not the right move. The right move is to play hatebears like Teeg and Cannonist. Bears actually contribute to your clock while Leyline just sits there.. and is actually hard to cast after turn 0. People will definitely try this card out, only to find out its really bad. Mulliganing 'like a bitch' is just wasting the combo players time. Rarely are you actually going to win. You give the combo player hours to set up when you mulligan to 5 with 0 land for your precious leyline. Thats why I used the phrase 'like a bitch'. At least combo players are nice and its over quickly... except Solidarity. Solidarity players make you sit there pissed the entire time regretting not having conceded the moment they say, High Tide? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Puzzle
Also, Doomsday completely ignores it. Especially if you are playing FT with Emrakul.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacrix
I had more in mind decks like Enchantress and Stax but if you need the clock, then I agree that bears are likely better.
People crying about the white Leyline need to realize something:
Leyline of the Void barely gets played in Legacy, despite being one of the best (if not the best) graveyard hate cards in the format (and available to every color!), because your chances of opening it are so poor, assuming you run the maximum number (it's less than 40% IIRC). Your chances of getting one actually go down the more you mulligan trying to find one. Very few decks not already capable of hardcasting Leyline of the Void are interested in mulliganing into oblivion just to open on a hate card.
Ivory Mask is both completely fair, and completely too slow, at four mana. Very few decks are so desperate for this effect that they will be willing to take the Leyline Gamble in order to have it.
An aside: this is also why Leyline of Anticipation is not good in this format.
True, but then you also have to consider that whilst there are cheap, artifact alternatives to Leyline of the Void and that legacy GY-based decks are slow enough to render the aforementioned artifacts relevant even if played on a later turn. I guess that the closest Tormod analogy to this is chalice@0, which is often too slow against Belcher or QSI and can be played around by TES and DDTendrils. It will see sideboard play in Zoo builds aiming to beat combo, possibly even maindeck play in Enchantress as it fills a previously unoccupied niche.
Clearly you Serum Powder that bitch. I'm actually more unhappy about the card because of how many dead cards I'll accumulate playing Red in T2. Was actually enjoying running 12 LD spells main in a format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies
I am not saying, "don't trust the dude", but he said...
Emphasis added. That can mean so many things and overreacting right now is pretty stupid.Quote:
The white Leyline is basically an Ivory Mask with the Leyline wording.
I was actually wondering if some decks (like Zoo or non-blue decks that lack the cantrips to dig and hand sculpt) might not try a SB with 4-ofs for the White Leyline and Leyline of the Void with some number of powders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morbid-
It's a lot easier to find boarded in hate in blue decks with ponder/brainstorm than it is in a deck like Zoo, where if you don't have it in your opening grip the game might not last long enough to see many more cards.
I suppose Wildfire.dec could actually afford to run serum powder main instead of Signets or whatever, which definetly opens up for Leyline shenanigans postside.