Unfortunately, we only have the Korean version so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Holiday
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Unfortunately, we only have the Korean version so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Holiday
It seems like storm doesn't even need Ad Nauseam anymore.
Isn't 4x Infernal Tutor 4x Dark Petition into Past in Flames enough business?
Not to mention now it can play Force.
I think we're going to see a shift from ANT to TES and more Rite of Flame style ritual lists.
Splash white for mentor, keep cycling that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Reset Tide plays exclusively instant speed spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainGo
Think about it for a second. It's a Sorcery and can't be cast during their turn, which is when Reset Tide more or less needs to go off. On your turn, well. "End the turn" says it all pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainGo
Yea I was thinking use it on your turn, then go off on the opponents. But it seems bad, earliest i would work then is like turn 5 and Tide probably wouldn't be emptying its hand much before then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
Go off with a random seven and no graveyard for DTT? Against a fresh hand? I've only ever played Spiral Tide, but this seems downright terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainGo
Day's undoing will push a lot of retarded aggressive decks like Burn with blue splash and some not so retarded aggressive decks like Affinity.
Swiftspear will make a comeback I think.
Hence the "but it seems bad" I added after. Trust me I'm not advocating players do this it was just a thought that popped into my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimhead
Imo Dark Petition can be straight swapped with Preordain/Cantrip/Ad Nauseum in Ant.
-1 Ad Nauseum, -3 Cantrip, +4 Dark Petition. Done.
This really improves the consistency of ANT. Having 8 Business spells over 5 is really really strong. No more Cantrip into Cantrip into nothing.
Losing Ad Nauseum is not a big deal imo. I've actually swapped Ad Nauseum with Empty the Warrens on some occasions. Its not a big drop of in power level. Ad Nauseum kill is abit of a crap shoot anyway, I've died to it enough to know it's not too reliable.
This may elevate ANT to the premier combo deck in Legacy, making T2/T3 protected kills extremely likely and consistent.
I don't like using such strong language to describe decks, but that's besides the point. The card art is good enough to make me want to play the card, but I'm skeptical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adryan
Maybe it will work out plausibly well, but it seems to me that there's a lot one needs to do to get Day's Undoing to work. Either I'm building a deck that minimizes the disadvantages by using mostly instants and a very low curve, using Notion Thief, trying to cast Undoing at instant speed, or using Final Fortune.
Dig Through Time is probably going to be better most of the time. Instead of getting the full 7 cards along with all these drawbacks (the building-around of which will hurt my consistency), I can just tap two blue and Delve EOT and get the best 2 in that grip... which would probably take up most of my mana.
Dark Petition looks like the real jewel of this set so far, but I'm still waiting to see the dumb blue thing they're going to print. You know it's in there somewhere.
I don't think there is a post that more accurately encapsulates the overrated nature of Dark Petition atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanpei
"-1 Ad Nauseam, - 3 Cantrip, + 4 Dark Petition" is a terrible idea. The reason why EtW is a reasonable but worse alternative to Ad Nauseam is that they both give you an option to take a high-speed and high-variance route to victory. Dark Petitions high cost exposes you to soft counters and forces you to rely on Threshold Cabal Rits more, which retards your speed. Plus, Ad Nauseam lets you bounce back from resources losses and find multiple cards to win when necessary (ex, Chain of Vapor + Tendrils to beat Leyline), Petition does neither such thing.
Moreover, Dark Petition isnt anywhere near as good as Wish or Infernal at preparing you for the combo and is really only good at that combo itself. Don't get me wrong though, the card has potential. As noted, it's an ace in the Wish board for TES or TNT, and maybe there is some odd super Ritual/GY combo deck that might jam it. Personally, I think a 4 Petition lists that is actually good and actually makes the card worth running would probably not be TES or ANT, it might be SI or some sort of odd Doomsday list (in both cases, the ability to go Dark Petition > Cruel Bargain actually does let you use Dark Petition as an awkward set up spell, you could maybe try a tech Night's Whisper in any Petition list for the same reason of using Petition > Discard + Night's Whisper to win grind games that way)
Also another thing that makes it different from Infernal is that it can be used to find a silver bullet. You can use it mid combo to find your solitary bounce spell. Ie you are facing a chalice or a thalia. If the game drags long enough, you can use it to search out a bounce. It's worse than Burning Wish but it's better than nothing. Also in long draggy miracle matchups, you can break out of the Counterbalance lock with tutor into abrupt decay. Being 5 casting cost is a plus in this case, hard casting it against miracles without acceleration is very plausible.
So you plan on sitting against DnT to assemble 6 lands, or giving Miracles enough time to do god knows what so you can pull 5 lands? It's not like "nothing" is the alternative anyway, you have cantrips. Well, you do in the sensible world where you don't drop them for a 5-mana card...Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanpei
Time Reversal failed because by the time you get to 5mana your opponent has dumped enough cards or has done enough to where you lose the possible card advantage that Wheel of Fortune/Time Twister give you by dumping your hand and playing on turn 2/3/4. Casting this when you are down to 0-2 cards and your opponent has 5+ can be bonkers in any format. Oh and this has the upside of doing nifty things to GY dependent cards like Goyf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redkid43
There is no trap. There is only a ton of potential. Those hating on a possible mad CA card like this is just like all the hate Cruise/DtT got before people actually tested them. I can not wait to test this in EVERY format.
Sometimes after board clocks slow alot as all the combo hate come in. The games usually drag to a grind in post board situationsQuote:
Originally Posted by wonderPreaux
Having tutors, no matter how slow they are is good. Especially since the tutor is actually a combo component. I like the card. If you draw extras, you can use it as a mana neutral card with dark ritual or a mana positive card with a threshed cabal ritual. You lose the explosiveness of dark ritual dark ritual ad Nauseum, but gain the consistency of 8 Business spells. I like this change, I think it's a worthwhile trade off.
I dunno, why Days Undoing is discussed other than in combination with decks which run a lot of fast, permanent mana like Tezzerator or them using the graveyard (Goblin Welder, Life from the Loam,etc.)
Drawing parallels between this card and Time Reversal/Diminishing Returns is off because of it not only being cheaper overall but also costing a single blue mana which makes an imo obvious Synergy with Sol-Lands and Signets in Tezzerator for example
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@Dark Petition
I love that ANT can now run up to 8 Tutors basically costing only 2 mana so getting access to a Tutor or seeing Meddling Mage @ Infernal is no longer a backbreaker. however, this card alongside Cabal Ritual and Past in Flames is so soft to yard-hate in a meta which is also filled with DTT that it gives me chills especially as you need to cut the previous yard-hate counterstrategy Ad Nauseam
Any interest in this new card which has been spoiled?
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by siqatzi
For EDH and possibly Standard? Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by siqatzi
For anything else, there's Storm.
It's really interesting in the hard control decks, though - because it not only reduces the cost of all the control spells, but it also allows for card selection as well. The problem is the cost.