[Deck] U/R Delver

I have a deck similar to yours. I also have the devil in it and x4. I ll be honest with you; i haven't tested it that much but decks that don't have removals (re-animator for example) are in BIG trouble if they dont counter this thing or if you counter their removals-same thing. It is fast but it is isnt that reliable. Many times they allowed it to resolve only to kill it or block it. But then again its 1 less removal for delver and 1 less card for them (if they force then 2 cards). Other times its this fast:

turn 1: fetch, volcanic, delver
2: mountain, lightning bolt, vexing, (flips delver) attack for 3 and either take dmg from devil or allow it
3:another land (maybe),some burn, attack for 7 or for 3 and opp's life at 7
4 attack, fireblast, win



In this deck devil is like an efficient burn spell (well kinda), because even if you drop it late, as a creature, you can still protect it or just put it back with brainstorm and ponder and draw something else. Besides, a resolved devil kicks goyf's ass for the first turns ^^.

Sup guys! A few days ago, I played my first serious Legacy Tournament and picked up UR Delver for the challenge. I didnt take notes during it, so I cant make a full report, but il leave a few notes.

This is the list I ran:

Lands (18)

4x Scalding Tarn
3x Arid Mesa
3x Polluted Delta
4x Volcanic Island
2x Island
2x Mountain


Creatures (15)

4x Delver of Secrets
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Goblin Guide
3x Grim Lavamancer


Spells (27)

4x Lightning Bolt
3x Chain Lightning
3x Price of Progress
2x Thunderous Wrath
3x Ponder
4x Brainstorm
3x Spell Pierce
3x Force of Will
2x Daze



Sideboard (15)

1x Spell Pierce
1x Force of Will
3x Surgical Extraction
2x Red Elemental Blast
2x Smash to Smithreens
3x Sulfuric Vortex
3x Mind Harness


Scored 3-1-2 in a tournament of 33 people (placed 14). I played against Merfolk (2-0), UWgr Stoneblade (2-0), RUG Delver (0-2), Maverick (1-1), Goblins (2-0) and UG Infect (0-2).I really liked my list, despite my bad final position. The deck was very competitive. Some thoughts:

That UG Infect countered every bolt or cs I had. It was a UG list which ran counters and pump spells (Invigorate, Berserk, etc). As creatures, Blighted Agent, Glistener Elf and Inkmoth Nexus. A good, but beatable deck. Too bad he had more counters than I had bolts/counters.

RUG beat me first round with 2 life and second round with 1 life. I heard UR Delver was made to beat RUG, but I seem to have trouble with that match. Whenever an oponnent resolves a Goyf (usually 4/5), the game goes much more in their favor, since Snapcaster, Guide and Delver are smaller. I know flipped Delver flies, but the problem is that they got a stronger creature base than ours: Goyf, Mongoos and their Delver. If you havent lowered their life to like 10 life or so by the time they land a Goyf or Mongoose becomes 3/3, the match becomes very difficult: 4/5 Goyfs or a 3/3 Mongoose blocks Guide and SCM all the way, and Goyf is either a 2 bolts for 1 or you need to have a lavamancer in play to get rid of him (with help from a bolt). I sideboard in +3x Mind Harness, +2x ReB, -3x FoW, -2x Thunderous Wrath, but im not sure if its the best option against them. Is the best shot we got race them? I could use some advice in that matchup.

Maverick was also difficult: my oponnent ran 4 Thalia and 2 Karakas in the mainboard. Every game he had a Thalia and a Karakas on the battlefield. In the game I lost, I had to 2 for 1 to kill his Thalia, only to have another Thalia enter the battlefield next turn. In the game I won, I had a Lavamancer in play (shines against them) which was used to "bounce" her. Im still not sure what to do against that, since I dont want to run Wastelands in this deck, due to PoP. Against Maverick, I usually sb -3 FoW, +3 Mind Harness. I could use some advice here too.


P.S. Card Notes

About Thunderous Wrath: didnt see any on the tournament, but was awesome in testing. I gives you the reach the deck sometimes lack. Its bad when it is in the starting hand alone, but great when it comes with a BS. If it comes alone, u still have 4 BS and 3 Ponder (to search for BS) to make use for it. Sometimes (very few times) it get stuck in your hand, and that sucks. Sometimes you topdeck it (or BS it) and it kicks ass.

About Mind Harness: not sure about this card yet, still testing. Works fine with Goblins, its great when you enchant an oponnents Goyf, Reliquary, Ooze. But it doesnt solve my problem with Maverick's Thalia and Karakas, which is the main issue versus Maverick. I see Submerge as an option, but an experienced player wont crack his fetch against this deck and will play the creature again on the next turn.

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Originally Posted by MirrorMask

I have a deck similar to yours. I also have the devil in it and x4. I ll be honest with you; i haven't tested it that much but decks that don't have removals (re-animator for example) are in BIG trouble if they dont counter this thing or if you counter their removals-same thing. It is fast but it is isnt that reliable. Many times they allowed it to resolve only to kill it or block it. But then again its 1 less removal for delver and 1 less card for them (if they force then 2 cards). Other times its this fast:

turn 1: fetch, volcanic, delver
2: mountain, lightning bolt, vexing, (flips delver) attack for 3 and either take dmg from devil or allow it
3:another land (maybe),some burn, attack for 7 or for 3 and opp's life at 7
4 attack, fireblast, win



In this deck devil is like an efficient burn spell (well kinda), because even if you drop it late, as a creature, you can still protect it or just put it back with brainstorm and ponder and draw something else. Besides, a resolved devil kicks goyf's ass for the first turns ^^.

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It is just absurdly strong. Probably 90% of the time I play it before turn 3 they take 4 to the face, and late game it just adds to the pressure. And there have been games where it goes turn 1 Devil, turn 2 Guide, Guide swing ... thats just insane. Devil is kind of like a better Browbeat for the early game. The reliability is the problem, sometimes I just want a dude to stick when my hand isn't that fast. That is why I began testing Figure of Destiny because there are numerous games where I will draw enough land to make him just massive and he comes down t1 and will get some damage in. The good thing about Devil is that it speeds the deck up, and late game your opponent (assuming you have a slow draw) will be a low enough life they have to let it resolve and won't be able to swing through it. I had a game a while back w 3x Devils in play and 1x Guide staring at 2x Knight of the Reliquary and 2x Goyf and he couldn't swing due to life totals. They stalled long enough where I drew into burn and just won. It is also big enough to be a legitimate threat mid-game, especially when paired w Delver and GG.

I do want to cut it though, and Figure seems like the right call, but, I don't think I have played it enough, because there are times its just insane and it has been the MVP of the night. Thus the reliability of Vexing Devil ...

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Originally Posted by Zelgius

Sup guys! A few days ago, I played my first serious Legacy Tournament and picked up UR Delver for the challenge. I didnt take notes during it, so I cant make a full report, but il leave a few notes.

This is the list I ran:

Lands (18)

4x Scalding Tarn
3x Arid Mesa
3x Polluted Delta
4x Volcanic Island
2x Island
2x Mountain


Creatures (15)

4x Delver of Secrets
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Goblin Guide
3x Grim Lavamancer


Spells (27)

4x Lightning Bolt
3x Chain Lightning
3x Price of Progress
2x Thunderous Wrath
3x Ponder
4x Brainstorm
3x Spell Pierce
3x Force of Will
2x Daze



Sideboard (15)

1x Spell Pierce
1x Force of Will
3x Surgical Extraction
2x Red Elemental Blast
2x Smash to Smithreens
3x Sulfuric Vortex
3x Mind Harness


Scored 3-1-2 in a tournament of 33 people (placed 14). I played against Merfolk (2-0), UWgr Stoneblade (2-0), RUG Delver (0-2), Maverick (1-1), Goblins (2-0) and UG Infect (0-2).I really liked my list, despite my bad final position. The deck was very competitive. Some thoughts:

That UG Infect countered every bolt or cs I had. It was a UG list which ran counters and pump spells (Invigorate, Berserk, etc). As creatures, Blighted Agent, Glistener Elf and Inkmoth Nexus. A good, but beatable deck. Too bad he had more counters than I had bolts/counters.

RUG beat me first round with 2 life and second round with 1 life. I heard UR Delver was made to beat RUG, but I seem to have trouble with that match. Whenever an oponnent resolves a Goyf (usually 4/5), the game goes much more in their favor, since Snapcaster, Guide and Delver are smaller. I know flipped Delver flies, but the problem is that they got a stronger creature base than ours: Goyf, Mongoos and their Delver. If you havent lowered their life to like 10 life or so by the time they land a Goyf or Mongoose becomes 3/3, the match becomes very difficult: 4/5 Goyfs or a 3/3 Mongoose blocks Guide and SCM all the way, and Goyf is either a 2 bolts for 1 or you need to have a lavamancer in play to get rid of him (with help from a bolt). I sideboard in +3x Mind Harness, +2x ReB, -3x FoW, -2x Thunderous Wrath, but im not sure if its the best option against them. Is the best shot we got race them? I could use some advice in that matchup.

Maverick was also difficult: my oponnent ran 4 Thalia and 2 Karakas in the mainboard. Every game he had a Thalia and a Karakas on the battlefield. In the game I lost, I had to 2 for 1 to kill his Thalia, only to have another Thalia enter the battlefield next turn. In the game I won, I had a Lavamancer in play (shines against them) which was used to "bounce" her. Im still not sure what to do against that, since I dont want to run Wastelands in this deck, due to PoP. Against Maverick, I usually sb -3 FoW, +3 Mind Harness. I could use some advice here too.


P.S. Card Notes

About Thunderous Wrath: didnt see any on the tournament, but was awesome in testing. I gives you the reach the deck sometimes lack. Its bad when it is in the starting hand alone, but great when it comes with a BS. If it comes alone, u still have 4 BS and 3 Ponder (to search for BS) to make use for it. Sometimes (very few times) it get stuck in your hand, and that sucks. Sometimes you topdeck it (or BS it) and it kicks ass.

About Mind Harness: not sure about this card yet, still testing. Works fine with Goblins, its great when you enchant an oponnents Goyf, Reliquary, Ooze. But it doesnt solve my problem with Maverick's Thalia and Karakas, which is the main issue versus Maverick. I see Submerge as an option, but an experienced player wont crack his fetch against this deck and will play the creature again on the next turn.

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We weren't made to beat RUG, RUG has the positive matchup when paired with us. Your Mind Harness's look great honestly, If i didn't plan on the Burn Route I would probably run them or submerge. Against Maverick it's best to just burn their face. It's hard to control them and you will run out of cards killing their creatures.

In Europe, UR Delver has been performing exceptionally well eating Miracle Decks and Control Decks here are both top 1 finishes:

October 1st place:

1st: UR Delver - Sergi Barqué

Lands (18)

3 Wooded Foothills
2 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Volcanic Island

Creatures (15)
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Goblin Guide
4 Snapcaster Mage

Enchantments (2)
2 Sulfuric Vortex

Instants (19)
3 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
4 Brainstorm
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Thunderous Wrath

Sorceries (6)
2 Forked Bolt
4 Ponder

Sideboard (15)
4 Submerge
1 Flusterstorm
2 Forked Bolt
2 Hydroblast
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Force of Will
3 Surgical Extraction

September:

1º - Ander Sanchez - UR Delver

Lands (17)
2 Mountain
2 Island
3 Volcanic Island
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn

Creatures (11)
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Goblin Guide
3 Grim Lavamancer

Enchantments (2)
2 Sulfuric Vortex

Instants (18)
4 Brainstorm
3 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Price of Progress

Sorceries (12)
4 Ponder
4 Chain Lightning
4 Thunderous Wrath

Sideboard (15)
1 Grim Lavamancer
2 Sulfur Elemental
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Pyroblast
2 Tormods Crypt
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Sulfuric Vortex

4 Thunderous Wrath I'm seriously tempted to run 4 lol High Risk High Reward I guess

Well, "In Europe, UR Delver has been performing exceptionally well" is pure exaggeration, just because it won one or two ~50 players events in the last months.

I am currently trying a 3 Wrath build myself, but I've only played a few games with it in comparison to the normal build. I thought "fuck it, go make things burn", so I'm trying a more aggressive approach. We'll see how it works out.

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Well, "In Europe, UR Delver has been performing exceptionally well" is pure exaggeration, just because it won one or two ~50 players events in the last months.

I am currently trying a 3 Wrath build myself, but I've only played a few games with it in comparison to the normal build. I thought "fuck it, go make things burn", so I'm trying a more aggressive approach. We'll see how it works out.

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Well it's still both 1st place finishes, nothing to sneeze at. As of my current testing it's pretty good. But I think I'll need a lot more experience with it. RUG Delver match seems more winnable with this build as well as Maverick due to freed up Sideboard slots.

About vexing devil... I know sometimes will completely betray you but the speed it gives you is WTF-ROFLCOPTER-LOL !!! My reanimator lost every match to my my friend's U/R delver because of this guy and of the miracle burn. It all comes down to what you want to do with your deck; whether you want to have more consistency with your burn (snapcaster) or go all-in with miracle and devil.

I literally had the exact same outcome over and over against my buddies reanimator deck the other night playtesting devil+wrath = fast but I play 4 thunderous wrath and portent over ponder.

Looking at Andrew Schneider's list I see a Banefire in the sideboard. What matchup is this for?

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Looking at Andrew Schneider's list I see a Banefire in the sideboard. What matchup is this for?

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http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/l...In-Legacy.html

According to him, U/W Control :)

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Originally Posted by SirTylerGalt

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/l...In-Legacy.html

According to him, U/W Control :)

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Nice post and guide :) I wish we can link this in the front page of the topics forum :laugh:

I would prefer that people don't have primer on this deck (our opponents), it's much better to have it under the radar and not be a part of anyone's gauntlet.

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Originally Posted by FANAttIC

I would prefer that people don't have primer on this deck (our opponents), it's much better to have it under the radar and not be a part of anyone's gauntlet.

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As long as they're prepared with burn they can prepare for us lol The good thing is we are a minority in the meta, that gives us the edge :)

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Originally Posted by FANAttIC

I would prefer that people don't have primer on this deck (our opponents), it's much better to have it under the radar and not be a part of anyone's gauntlet.

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Any decent player knows about the deck and what to look out for...

Just a head's up. The deck already has a primer in the front page lol

Linking to Schneider's Guide would be good for us and new players who want to try UR Delver out :)

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Originally Posted by H3llsp4wn

Any decent player knows about the deck and what to look out for...

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haha, agreed.

Glad you guys liked it :)

What about this: http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...4&iddeck=68681

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Originally Posted by FANAttIC

What about this: http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...4&iddeck=68681

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This is new to me, and looks pretty fun. I think one player at mtgo has been running similar builds. I even think one of the channelfireball players ran into him in one recent legacy video. It seems like at good idea to drop guide in those builds when you run wasteland and full daze.

That is a funny pile.
No idea if it is really good (inclined to think not), but it is creative.

It looks as if it would not have enough fire-power to win a game, since all the creatures are pretty fragile and with the exception of delver slow. Lightning Bolt as the only "real" burn seems wrong with snapcaster. I guess chain lightning instead of fire/ice would not be a bad idea.

Standstill in such a deck... Daze/FoW show he wants to resolve it turn 2 after a 1 drop creature. And with the man-lands and the 1 drops he should be able to present a clock. However not sure about him making a ton of land-drops under standstill. Best advantage is that nobody expects it and that probably a ton of people already forgot how to play against a standstill.

I guess this is an example of UR Delver when it leans more towards control than burn.

Here is an example where it most certainly leans fully towards control, with crucible and stifle main, and bolt is only there to burn the opponents turn 1 creature.

http://mtgpulse.com/event/10956#152746

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Best advantage is that nobody expects it and that probably a ton of people already forgot how to play against a standstill.

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Just Stifle the trigger and you are good to go, right? :laugh:

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I guess this is an example of UR Delver when it leans more towards control than burn.

Here is an example where it most certainly leans fully towards control, with crucible and stifle main, and bolt is only there to burn the opponents turn 1 creature.

http://mtgpulse.com/event/10956#152746

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I also like AJ Sacher's take on a more "midrange" version of U/R Delver:

http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...0&iddeck=62381


It would be cool if it could fit the Stifle + Wasteland package (kinda like Next Level Threshold).

In my limited testing, I really like Predict. With the amount of library manipulation, it often lets you draw two cards, and bin a card you don't need from the top of your library. You can flash it back with Snapcaster Mage for more card advantage. In one match, my opponent cast Enlightened Tutor for a bomb. I let it resolve, then "predicted" it away. Full of win :)

Full four Submerges in side is lots of fun with Predict.

Hi guys I'm new to this deck and love it. Have had some great initial results with the Serge list posted previously. Just wondering wherpeople stand on Price of Progress? Seems like a lot greedy mana bases around these days with RUG/BUG/Junk etc. Would dropping 2 Vortex from the main (perhaps squeezing it SB) for 2 PoP be a solid modification?

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Hi guys I'm new to this deck and love it. Have had some great initial results with the Serge list posted previously. Just wondering wherpeople stand on Price of Progress? Seems like a lot greedy mana bases around these days with RUG/BUG/Junk etc. Would dropping 2 Vortex from the main (perhaps squeezing it SB) for 2 PoP be a solid modification?

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It's a meta choice really :)

more PoP on a lot of tri-color manabases and a lot of rogue non-basics decks

more Vortex when it's a control fest meta

So I took UR delver to a local legacy tournament here (Legacy Wars IV) with a playset of Jace, TMS as the top prize.

Around 50 players registered.

I played the "standard" list, increasing the daze count to 3 and STILL playing 18 lands. I was expecting more miracles and combo.

Round 1 vs Maverick (Loss 1-2)
- Made a crucial mistake in game 3 where I bolted his Noble Hierarch WHEN i didn't have an answer for stoneforge mystic. :rolleyes:
I eventually resolved a sulfuric vortex but it was too late as he has already gained 10 life with the help of exalted triggers.

Round 2 vs Bant Enchantress (Loss 1-2)
- I felt really behind in this matchup, even in the game I won it was still close in his favor. The Choke postboard made it more tough. As usually I will counter this and then the next "lock" enchantment will resolve, Energy Field or Web of Inertia powered by Rest in Peace.

Round 3 vs The Gate (Win 2-0)
- Got answers for his nighthawks and burned him.

Round 4 vs Elves (Win 2-1)
- Game 1 controlled him with burn and Grim Lavamancer. Game 2 I got swarmed! Game 3 same as Game 1.

Round 5 vs BUG delver (Loss 0-2)
- Game 1 kept a slow hand and paid for it, my fetch for blue got stifled and got really behind.
Game 2 kept a hand of Scalding Tarn, Goblin Guide, 1 Grim Lavamancer, 3 Burn, 1 daze. Did not draw the 2nd land :frown:. A greedy keep perhaps but I still think my odds wouldn't have improved if I mulled that to six.

Round 6 vs Merfolk (Win 2-0)
- Paired against a teammate so he scooped and we just split the ONE pack I will be getting as a consolation :laugh:

Overall I feel UR delver has declined a little in performance, in our meta at least. Though it still is a good deck choice. More tight plays must be made next time. Always consider what you can and cannot beat and play with that it mind.

In my case against maverick, I should have remembered batterskull is what hurts the most!
And on the enchantress matchup, maybe I should have let Choke resolve and just play around it by being conservative with my usage of blue mana and I still got Mountains to rely on.

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So I took UR delver to a local legacy tournament here (Legacy Wars IV) with a playset of Jace, TMS as the top prize.

Around 50 players registered.

I played the "standard" list, increasing the daze count to 3 and STILL playing 18 lands. I was expecting more miracles and combo.

Round 1 vs Maverick (Loss 1-2)
- Made a crucial mistake in game 3 where I bolted his Noble Hierarch WHEN i didn't have an answer for stoneforge mystic. :rolleyes:
I eventually resolved a sulfuric vortex but it was too late as he has already gained 10 life with the help of exalted triggers.

Round 2 vs Bant Enchantress (Loss 1-2)
- I felt really behind in this matchup, even in the game I won it was still close in his favor. The Choke postboard made it more tough. As usually I will counter this and then the next "lock" enchantment will resolve, Energy Field or Web of Inertia powered by Rest in Peace.

Round 3 vs The Gate (Win 2-0)
- Got answers for his nighthawks and burned him.

Round 4 vs Elves (Win 2-1)
- Game 1 controlled him with burn and Grim Lavamancer. Game 2 I got swarmed! Game 3 same as Game 1.

Round 5 vs BUG delver (Loss 0-2)
- Game 1 kept a slow hand and paid for it, my fetch for blue got stifled and got really behind.
Game 2 kept a hand of Scalding Tarn, Goblin Guide, 1 Grim Lavamancer, 3 Burn, 1 daze. Did not draw the 2nd land :frown:. A greedy keep perhaps but I still think my odds wouldn't have improved if I mulled that to six.

Round 6 vs Merfolk (Win 2-0)
- Paired against a teammate so he scooped and we just split the ONE pack I will be getting as a consolation :laugh:

Overall I feel UR delver has declined a little in performance, in our meta at least. Though it still is a good deck choice. More tight plays must be made next time. Always consider what you can and cannot beat and play with that it mind.

In my case against maverick, I should have remembered batterskull is what hurts the most!
And on the enchantress matchup, maybe I should have let Choke resolve and just play around it by being conservative with my usage of blue mana and I still got Mountains to rely on.

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Wasn't able to join :( Nice report dude! You fought Eggy didn't you? Did the adjustment to 3 Daze help? Just curious :)

The additional daze didn't do much at all as I faced fair decks and is quite irrelevant in the enchantress matchup once they get to play their wild growths or have serra sanctum in play :frown:

Is Eggy the Gate player? then yes we played.

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The additional daze didn't do much at all as I faced fair decks and is quite irrelevant in the enchantress matchup once they get to play their wild growths or have serra sanctum in play :frown:

Is Eggy the Gate player? then yes we played.

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Eggy is the enchantress player :) He is a pro Legacy Player. I'm considering Sergi Barque's list as it is anti-miracles deck.

You mean Reginald Go. Yes he is the enchantress player. Really hard to keep up with that deck. So many must counter threats.

Hey guys, just wanted to know if any of you had some advices concerning the maindeck and sideboard options in a meta where Sneak Show is the deck to beat? My maindeck counter suite is : 4 Spell Pierce, 3 Force of Will, 2 Daze ( playing 4 of Brainstorm and Ponder). The fourth Force is in the side as well as 2 Disrupt, 2 Red Elemental Blast and 2 Blue Elemental Blast. I'm wondering if I should dedicate even more to the mu. Any input is appreciated. Edit : Anyone tested Gilded Drake or Sower of Temptation vs Sneak Show?

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Hey guys, just wanted to know if any of you had some advices concerning the maindeck and sideboard options in a meta where Sneak Show is the deck to beat? My maindeck counter suite is : 4 Spell Pierce, 3 Force of Will, 2 Daze ( playing 4 of Brainstorm and Ponder). The fourth Force is in the side as well as 2 Disrupt, 2 Red Elemental Blast and 2 Blue Elemental Blast. I'm wondering if I should dedicate even more to the mu. Any input is appreciated. Edit : Anyone tested Gilded Drake or Sower of Temptation vs Sneak Show?

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Lol isn't that too much? You just want to replace the bad cards in the match ups not fit in as much counterspells as you can. Are Disrupts really that good? Won't Flusterstorm be the better choice or Envelop? You can also board in your Surgical Extractions.

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Lol isn't that too much? You just want to replace the bad cards in the match ups not fit in as much counterspells as you can. Are Disrupts really that good? Won't Flusterstorm be the better choice or Envelop? You can also board in your Surgical Extractions.

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Thanks for the quick reply. I might replace the Disrupt for Pithing Needle. I'm questioning your suggestion to board in Surgical Extraction, isn't only useful when you already dealt with a threat? Edit : I'm going to check out the Flusterstorm, thanks. Edit 2 : Here's my maindeck :

4 Scalding Tarn
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Arid Mesa
3 Volcanic Island
2 Mountain
2 Island

4 Delver of Secrets
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Goblin Guide

3 Force of Will
4 Spell Pierce
4 Chain Lightning
2 Daze
4 Brainstorm
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Ponder
3 Fire / Ice
4 Thunderous Wrath

Boarding in surgical extraction against combo decks is something I do often too, usually replacing chain lightnings

For Show and Tell decks running Intuition it is very good. At worst it becomes a card that removes all copies of the cantrip spell he already played and gives you a peek at his hand and information on what his deck contains.

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Boarding in surgical extraction against combo decks is something I do often too, usually replacing chain lightnings

For Show and Tell decks running Intuition it is very good. At worst it becomes a card that removes all copies of the cantrip spell he already played and gives you a peek at his hand and information on what his deck contains.

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I appreciate the clarifications on Surgical Extraction. I'm gonna test some maindeck changes : -2 Fire / Ice + 1 Daze +1 Vendilion Clique. I suppose it's appropriate for a combo-dominated metagame. Unfortunately, it's the only information I have on it : Sneak and Show is the deck to beat. I'll know more when i'll get to actually go to the tournament when the deck is finished. Edit : Sideboard should look like this :

3-4 Surgical Extraction
3 Submerge
3 Sulfuric Vortex
2 Hydroblast
2 Pyroblast
1 Force of Will
0-1 Vendilion Clique

Hey guys.

im new with the U/R-Delver deck, but to me it seems like snapcaster are a bit too slow, since 2mana +1 for flashback cards seems quite a lot in this deck, but what is your guys experience with it? orbviously its ability is really good in such a deck, but dont you think 2 could do the job?

The problem with the deck is, that you are running out of gas very quickly. To deal with this, you have to play cards like Brainstorm, Ponder and Snapcaster. The latter allows you to re-use your spells and function as another body, which is often relevant. The manacosts can sometimes be tough to pay for, if you want to flashback something and play against Wastelands etc, but that's why we pretty much only play CMC1 spells and basics, so that's hardly an issue.

thanks a lot for the explanation, makes lot of sense... so would you prefer forked bolt over fire/ice?.. i was thinking of playing thunderous wrath build, and ice's draw ability to a draw in your oponents turn, just seemes like an good option to have?... well and the fact that its an instant...

i was thinking of:

Creatures: 13
3 Grim lavamancer
2 snapcaster
4 Delver of secrets
4 goblin guide

Instans: 23
4 Thunderous wrath
4 lightning bolt
4 force of will
3 daze
2 spell pierce
4 brainstorm
2 fire/ice

Sorceries: 4
4 ponder

enchantment: 2
2 Sulfuric vortex

Lands: 18
3 Volcanics
4 scalding tarn
3 Misty rainforest
3 Bloodstained mire
3 islands
2 mountains

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thanks a lot for the explanation, makes lot of sense... so would you prefer forked bolt over fire/ice?.. i was thinking of playing thunderous wrath build, and ice's draw ability to a draw in your oponents turn, just seemes like an good option to have?... well and the fact that its an instant...

i was thinking of:

Creatures: 13
3 Grim lavamancer
2 snapcaster
4 Delver of secrets
4 goblin guide

Instans: 23
4 Thunderous wrath
4 lightning bolt
4 force of will
3 daze
2 spell pierce
4 brainstorm
2 fire/ice

Sorceries: 4
4 ponder

enchantment: 2
2 Sulfuric vortex

Lands: 18
3 Volcanics
4 scalding tarn
3 Misty rainforest
3 Bloodstained mire
3 islands
2 mountains

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List is not bad it is similar to the European Lists and I'm actually gonna try them out. Forked Bolt > Fire/Ice anyday. You hardly use the Ice except as Force of Will fodder. That 1 mana matters when Thalia is in play. I kinda like the European List because it has 2 more Forked Bolts in the sideboard which is good against Maverick and more Sideboard Space for Submerges. So you will board in extra Forked Bolts and Submerges for your Force of Wills which will probably make the Matchup a walk in the park :) Also I'd rather run 3 Spell Pierce than 3 Daze because Daze loses it's value late game too early.

points taken :)... what about the amount of snapcasters?.... 2 too few?